Ice Cube Speaks on Ghostwriting in Hip-Hop

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TayGettem ;8267042 said:
I wonder how the hop head elites in the Drake threads feel abt Cube cosigning the so called corruption of our rap culture lol

While Cube is respected for the subject matter of his music by mainstream and undergound fans,Cube has always been mainstream in his thinking.

That whole westside movement was kind of an assault on east coast purist and street fans in a way.

Cube is a commercial rapper,who used to be cutting edge and made music that underground dudes could respect too.
 
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damnkp;8271270 said:
Just like with sports..fans care way more than the players

LOL

True, I remember Kent Hrbek saying he could care less about baseball when it aint playing, its too boring he cant watch it,
 
trapmuzikbruh;8282823 said:
mr shakur>>>>>>>>>>

@trapmuzikbruh

Mr Shakur was given 2 of the hottest songs on AEOM...aint that almost just as bad? Idk

(Mind made up was a Dogg Pound song Pac took and hopped on, Cali Luv was ment to be a Dre song)

 
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Idk. I'm a real writer. One of my beefs I don't want a ghost writer. I want express myself.

One of my writings:

Ghetto play, in the streets tryna make ends meet... for your momma upstairs and your daddy who can't get on his feet. So many people in need, so many people heart bleed. How can I help them if I'm trapped around them? If u living in high places, how could u see sad faces and bad places? People crying from their hearts to their loins,... They want to be forgiven but not destroyed... Black men in big places.. Its drugs they chasing, killing their own races. Ghetto nations... Why do we have 2 live to one man expectation, who wanna overtake all nations and plantations?...

U think u have a inch but don't try 2 take a mile... U destroying your own people just 2 stay in style.. U think u have a lot... But u don't have crap. Because if you try 2 move further, just watch, you'll get slapped.. Nick nack patty wack, give a dog a bone. You destroying your own people just 2 be known. I believe in my environment, but my environment don't believe in me. If I'm blind by negativity, tell me how can I see? The real light..,? The world can be a heck of a time 4 black or 4 white.

Ghetto play.. What else can I say? This is how we do every day all day.. But around my way they call it ghetto play..

1995 ( copwritten) by bhm.. The real Lady Lady Love..
 
The only time I can accept an artist getting a ghostwriter is when they are a dope, high class producer (dre, puff etc) and their main contribution to hip hip is not as a rapper, but they still contribute via producing or DJing etc and they want to rap over their own beats so they hire or swap beats for raps... But if your main occupation in hip hop is a RAPPER then I cant respect your song if you didn't write it...
 
I forgot this part..

How can I be received if I can't be believed? 4 real tho I can't even sleep, cause my heart cry out deep.. A world of anger and a world of fear.. Black women and men scared to shed their tears. Wishing, on a wishing star, told 2 be somebody else instead of who they are ? I believe in my environment but my environment don't believe in me.. If I'm blind by negatively, tell me how I can see..? The real light .. The world can be a heck of a time 4 black or 4 white

I wrote this in 95 I was 14. I missed some lyrics in the last post. This is already copywritten .. One of my favorite writings.. "Ghetto play"

Copy written so don't copy me...

Lady Love 1995..
 
i swear, if its a single nignog on this planet that think Brian "baby, Birdman, Beatrice, Bubba, Stunna" Williams wrote ANY of his raps needs to commit dat asap

 
I realize they need it to eat.. Let them eat stop exposing them. I realize its a food game. Nigga want 2 eat.. When niggas hungry they don't love no one.. Real writers stay in the back so these niggas can get a plate.
 
lethal5;8283110 said:
trapmuzikbruh;8282823 said:
mr shakur>>>>>>>>>>

@trapmuzikbruh

Mr Shakur was given 2 of the hottest songs on AEOM...aint that almost just as bad? Idk

(Mind made up was a Dogg Pound song Pac took and hopped on, Cali Luv was ment to be a Dre song)

i didnt know that well maybe it is but at least pac wrote his material minus the first two verses on "trapped"
 


When it comes to burning bridges, O’Shea Jackson may be the most accomplished hip-hop artist in the history of the music. It seems as if everyone who has ever had even the slightest involvement with him on a professional level has either gone on to record a diss song about him or made a series of angry Facebook posts filled with furious anger. Is Ice Cube really the “modern day Jerry Heller” as his former musical partner Sir Jinx insisted during a now deleted series of venomous status updates which implied that Cube continued to exploit musicians and actors working in his movies all in the name of pinching pennies?

NWA

The shots that Ren, Dre and Eazy fired at Cube on the EP and album after he left were laughably weak, especially in comparison to the verbal slaughter that was ‘No Vaseline.’ Lucky for them that the beats were incredible enough to carry the show.

Kam

This dude had a hilarious song about how white gals smelt like dogs when their hair gets wet on his first album. Things went bad between these two after Kam’s album tanked, then his dude Solo got into a fight with Cube while driving around and took his ‘Westside’ chain. Then Kam dropped ‘Whoop Whoop’ with DJ Pooh, which contained gems such as:

“Like the “W” you took from me nigga stand for Watts, tryin’ to say it stand for yo group/

But like Toucan Sam, Kam can always smell a Fruit Loop”

DJ Pooh

According to some message board gossip, aka Internets Gospel:

“Cube was runnin around in interviews sayin he wrote all of the movie Friday…which of course was co-written by Pooh, which led up to Pooh co-signing [Kam’s] ‘Whoop Whoop’ track”

King Sun:

Helped Cube and his crew out when they got into a brawl with Above The Law at the NMS, sent Cube some demos and had the hook to ‘Wicked’ ripped off as a result. Cube later admitted that he took the hook and gave zero fucks.

Del tha Funkee Homosapien

Cube’s cousin Del didn’t so much beef with O’Shea as hurt the big fella’s feelings when he branched out with his Hiero crew:

“Looking back, Del, now in his late thirties, admits he could have handled the going solo thing a little better. “It came out in magazines and stuff — the interviews,” he says. “I was young, so I didn’t have no sense. When [Ice Cube] read it, and it didn’t come out of my mouth, he was hurt. He was like, ‘Man, you didn’t like what we did? I thought you liked it.’ And I did like it. It was just that I wanted to do something else.”

Sir Jinx

Ice Cube and Frank Ocean should do a song together call f****** n******

— SirJinx Producer/ DJ (@SIRJINX) September 17, 2014

Mack 10

They had a falling out over Cube’s brother-in-law talking shit to the former Mr. T-Boz, but since this is the guy that Lonnie shut down by simply referring to as ‘Wack 10′ who really gives two shits.

Maulkie

This dude was from DJ Yella‘s failed side-project, Yomo & Maulkie, and was brought in to replace J-Dee after he got sent away. Considering J-Dee was the only guy who had any business rapping on the first Lench Mob LP, this was not a good look. Once their second LP failed to match the sales of the first one, Street Knowledge Productions left them all for dead.

Shorty

According to this interview with Davey-D:

“Brother was never a street dude man,” he said. “He would never let nobody see him out of character. Hear me? He would always be in character when you see him.” “We made it comfortable for Cube to go to these states man. Because, now they seeing tattoos all over my back. They seeing J-Dee’s tattoos. They like damn. Keep in mind, everyone hear about Crips and Bloods, but damn, when you like in Oklahoma or in fucking Nebraska, they up front close talking to a Crip…It’s like damn. These Lench Mob niggaz is real.”

J-Dee

Ice Cube’s former right-hand man went on to serve 20 years in jail for murder.

JDee: The only person out of Da Lench Mob who’s been a constant support system is Shorty. Ice Cube and T-Bone

haven’t even sent a brothar a birthday card or a book of stamps. I cannot understand this shit at all. Ice Cube hasn’t answered my letters or calls in over 10 yrs. He loaned me $1,000 in 1998 and told my

mother that that was all he’d planned to do for me.

T-Bone

The third original member of Da Lench Mob also copped a murder charge for shooting a dude at a bowling alley but eventually beat the case. No doubt he got a raw deal like the rest of the crew. According to J-Dee:

“T-Bone, personally, has never liked me. He experienced the same thing in regards to being falsely accused of murder, but he was acquitted after being given $77,000 for an attorney, and $1.5 million for bail. This was provided to him in exchange for him breaking up the group. At least this is what I was told.”

Cypress Hill

Another demo rip-off, as Cube jacked the hook from an early version of ‘Throw Your Set In The Air’ for the title cut to the Friday soundtrack. This resulted in a hilarious song from Cypress claiming that Ice Cube shaved his afro off while on tour with the crew in Australia because he was jocking B-Real so hard.

Kausion

Not to be confused with teh ghey rapper Caushun. According to this Geocities page:

“They left Lench Mob Records because Ice Cube allegedly cheated them out of their royalties and ever since they haven’t made much noise in the rap game. Gonzoe became friends with Tupac before his death and was given the alias Young Ritzy Outlaw.”

K-Dee

"Honestly I don't know why we stopped talking" K-Dee 2014

Mr. Short Khop

Sounds like things didn’t pan out for this dude since he wasn’t down with whatever deal Cub put on the table for him. In Mr. Jackson’s own words:

“I don’t deal with Mr Short Khop no more, Short Khop chose to go with the co-owner of Heavyweight(Terry who Suge ran over) and I don’t deal with that dude no more. A lot of people cant keep up with me man. You gotta keep up, stay at the top of your game, be smart. You lose any of them I can’t slow down for you, I gotta leave you I’m sorry.”
 
I didn't watch the video. But I don't see a problem with ghost writers and artists using them. However, if, you are using ghost writers then you aren't an MC and barely qualify as a rapper. I think a label like "performer" would be more fitting.

I agree 100% with I think it was Nelly who said, to make hit records regularly you need reference tracks, and producers\hit makers guiding the recording process. This is complete opposite of Hip Hop MCing, music making. The majority of Hip Hop recording has been the beat maker hands the MC a beat or the MC hears a beat and they write what "they" are feeling. The MC was in control of the subject matter and direction of the song. This was the essence of Hip Hop music and "keeping it real". Express "yourself" over music. And it didn't matter if, the record sold millions or charted. Recording dope Hip Hop Music and hit making are totally two different processes.

A writer, writing for a vocalist is much different then writing for an "MC\Rapper". A vocalists is more of an instrument. So, a better example is like a composer handing a musician a piece of sheet music and saying playing this. The Musician still has to have to skill to play that instrument. Much like vocalist has to have a good singing voice (instrument).
 
Scroter;8293504 said:
Kam

This dude had a hilarious song about how white gals smelt like dogs when their hair gets wet on his first album. Things went bad between these two after Kam’s album tanked, then his dude Solo got into a fight with Cube while driving around and took his ‘Westside’ chain. Then Kam dropped ‘Whoop Whoop’ with DJ Pooh, which contained gems such as:

“Like the “W” you took from me nigga stand for Watts, tryin’ to say it stand for yo group/

But like Toucan Sam, Kam can always smell a Fruit Loop”

I thought Kam was related to Cube??? Arnt they cousins or something??? So who jacked Kam's 'W' chain and rocked it, Cube???
 
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loch121;8271347 said:
Broddie;8267011 said:
He became a millionaire thanks to ghostwriting so of course he's gonna vouch for it.

He right though because every genre outside of rap has that same viewpoint.

The thing is for some it becomes a thin line but at the same time there have always been MC's and there have been rappers and a clear distinction between both titles.

The MC's are more meticulous with the words and that's why Cube himself didn't need a ghostwriter he was an MC. MC means master of ceremony cause an MC could hold it down under any situation. Whether it's moving a crowd or being eloquent and sparking something in people's minds and hearts. They're the true wordsmiths of the game.

However rappers are the ones who could make something really pop with their own flavor cause they're entertainers first and foremost on the mic. Dre and Eazy were great rappers thanks to the MC's (Cube and Ren) holding them down with their pen. If Cube and Ren would've rapped on Express Yourself or Boyz n the Hood the songs would be nothing like we remember them for better or worse. It was catered to their personalities and deliveries as rappers.

IDK who Cube wrote for after NWA,but he didn't make millions off that.That's why he left and I doubt they ever straightened that out.he's not getting publishing for those early songs.

i don't respect a nigga not writing his shit,but I respect the game and I would ghostwrite for ppl.I have for indie artists before.

I thought he was but I'm pretty sure he ate well off Lench Mob's first album and not just on an executive level.

 

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