IC, what are your true personal thoughts on Muslims/Islam?

[garv]

No. No. No. There were other civilizations beside Nile Valley, Garv. Blacks created civilizations in the Fertile Crescent, Holy Land, and the Nile Valley. The Ashanti culture mirrors almost identically the Hebrew customs. The Dogon tribe out of Mali has many traditions and customs that mirror those found in the Holy Land, their oral history says they migrATED eastward.

The mistakes you dudes make(Afrocentric scholars do this purposely because they don't want to acknowledge the Black Abrahamic traditions influence on Black civilization) is you falsely attribute Black civilization exclusively to the Nile Valley. Nothing could be further from the truth. We occupied the Holy Land, Fertile Crescent, and even South East Asia. Matter of fact, scientisit have now connected the Asian civilzations to Black ancestry out of East Africa. You can't say that West African is more organic when the truth is it descended from another place. Most West African are migrants from the Nile Valley, Fertile Crescent and Holy Land. These were the same people. Why do some scholars leave this out? Because they don't want any connection to "religion". But guess what doctor? The Ancinet Egyptians were very religious. Too much so. This was one of the reasons for their demise.

Actually I said Arab and Europeans. I made no distinction. And yes, warfare is part of nature. You have to be able to protect what you have. We let the Tamahu in and fell victim to their deceit of divide (Upper Egypt from Lower, in fact this started the conflict because those differed on their view of the invaders) and conquer. And please don't play that BS with me. My friends span many schools of thought. I am not an arab flunkie nor a european one. And no I won't go back. And who said what I have is filtered? It may be. Some people have different views on KMT, Islam, Egypt, etc. it is the application that determines if it filtered. I dont suscribe to no Arab viewpoint of Islam, which is silly point by the way because there is no monolithic view among them. Which Arabs are you talking about/ The ones who subscribe to Wahabism? Or the Ones who are Sunni? How about those affiliated with Al Qaeda who disagree with both. Or how about those like Qadaffi who apologized and acknowledged the Arab involvement in the slave trade and publicly acknowledged that Libya and all of Northern Africa belongs to Blacks and in his Green Book, said that Blacks will prevail in the world?

Arabs make up around 17 18 % of Islam but its clear to see who controls the religion, i don't subscribe to the religion just like you in this very same thread have argued against Christianity, for the simple fact that it was spread on warfare and the White leaders who spread it used it as a a imperialistic tactic to establish rule over other lands. Yet iwhite Europeans are not the majority in Christianity

I didn't fail to acknowledge it because it wasn't important to the discussion. You yourself know that in Western Africa that there is no large Arab presence. You admitted this. So your argument is bogus. Mansa Musa didn't bankrupt his nation. What he actually did was enrich other parts of Africa on his travel to Mecca. He recognize the importance of sharing wealth. You guys kill me making comparisons of the Nile Valley and other Black civilizations. Instead of celebrating them and recognizing them just being a link in the chain you like to degrade one and exalt the other. How very white of you. Most of you so-called Afrocentrics cause more division than white people with your nonsense religious gang banging. The Nile valley civilization interacted with the Civilizations of the Fertile Crescent(This was our people too) because game recognize game. They did not notice any of that bs you all spout.

What am I a following? I take from all sources, homey. You on the other hand are stuck in the past of a civilization that has long gone and you have nothing but dogma and rhetoric. I do harm to no man. And Garv please Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt were killing each other way before European and Arabs hit the scene. Let's talk about that. You dudes see what you want to see and that is why those who hold onto their Ancient African Civilizations have made no progress in the way of those civilizations, because you are close minded, straight jacketed, and tunnel visioned. I can show you religious orders who are more true to the spirit of KMT, Egypt, and Nubia than a lot of you cats.

LOL. It is not other. It is ours. And sorry the invaders were more intelligent and resourceful. They studied you and used your own nature against you. They came at you with a plan that you had no clue of how to master. They forged the split between Upper and Lower Egypt.

Africa is infinitely more advanced than KMT, Egypt, or Nubia. Despite all of its problems. Let us not be silly. They got merked by a bunch of cave boys with with swords and shields. And I did acknowledge in my post that they borrowed our way. What you think I have been saying this whole exchange? And I respectfully say you don't have an organic version you have a watered down impotent version. If what you have is organic it wouldn't take you back it would move you forward. Regression is death. What living thing you know regresses and makes progress? Nothing. Nature doesn't work like that. Well, except for the butterfly and it cocoons itself and breaks all the way down only to build itself up but it doesn't maintain the old form, it builds into something new.

Oh by the way, My cousin who is in the NOI went to Nigeria and the Yoruba priest/king gave Minister Farrakhan a gift of his sword and two horses which is only done symbolically to transfer authority. He was not tripping over religion so why are you?

Well the Nile Valley civilization was one that encompassed a host of different peoples in Africa, it was a Pan African civilization before people like your honorable friend Gaddafi was on the continent and pushing ideas of a Pan Africanism controlled by Arabic nations. Go check the language similarities, people like Cheik Anti Dip already established the link between now West African people and the Nile Valley Civilization. Even Yoruba historians believe that Yorubas migrated from the East, so called Afrocentrics put emphasis in the Nile Valley because it was the cultural incubator for the people we now see below the Sahara. I respect all modern day religions but like i said i've gone too far, to subscribe to religions that were taken from my people and modified into something else like i say i would rather deal with the organic information and the Nile Valley Civilization is the originator in most of what we now see in these so called Abrahamic religions.

Also i celebrate all African civilizations, i've criticized people before in the past for putting so much significant on Kemet, and not looking at later cultures like the civilizations of Timbuktu who also thrived, me stating that the Nile Valley Civilization was more grand does not mean i'm putting down the civilizations of Timbuktu or the Civilizations of The Oyo peoples, in fact unlike you i see Nile Valley as a civilization that ties us all together, it as the product of people you now see in West Africa today, including the peoples of Timbuktu.

And lol its not tunnel visioned, when it comes to an issue of spirituality i choose to follow the way of my ancestors, while you look to Mecca, i look to Oyo, what is wrong with that? This is a issue of spirituality it does not mean i am old fashioned and not dogmatic, also the fact that i choose to embrace the Nile Valley civilization does not mean i am stuck in the past just like White Europeans can study Greece and Rome and still retain their modernity so can i, i understand the importance of studying what enabled me to be here today, there is nothing wrong with that.

And your last point is laughable i don't care if Africa is now supposedly more 'Modern' than the Nile Valley, because at that the Nile Valley was the pinnacle of civilization and the bread basket of the world. Africa now is in a worse state all its so called 'Modernity' that has not helped the peoples who live on that continent, adopting Muslim and Christian ways it has become the bottom of the barrel, rather than the top, while the Nilve Valley at the time was the pinnacle of architecture, education etc Africa is now the bottom barell of all these things, so you can be as modern as you like when the so called Modernity and technological advances have not coincided with my peoples living better lifes.

Thats cool and i have no problems with members of the NOI i'm Yoruba so naturally my family is split between Christians and Muslims anyways. I can sit here and argue with you but at the end of the day you are still my brother, in my living room pictures of Malcolm X, Marcys Garvey and Khallid Muhammad are near to the pictures of John Henrik Clarke and Dr Ben, religion is one thing, but there have been many Africans of religions i do not subscribe to have progressed African peoples all over the diaspora and continent more than i, so at the end of the day although i'm arguing with you about particulars like religion i still understand there is more that binds us together than separates us.

 

[John Prewett]

Originally Posted by John Prewett: No evil deed was ever done due to guidance of the NT revealed Jesus Christ.

Actually there was. Do you need me to post the NT scriptures that sanction slavery ..................

Jesus didn't own slaves. Taught all his followers are brothers which eliminates the slave master-slave relationship.

Jesus didn't come to tell Rome how to run the temporal world.

Jesus came to [among other things] show that the temporal world is only TEMPORARY.

Jesus's guidance does not support worldly temporal slavery.

In stark contrast to Mohammed who killed men and enslaved their wives and children.

 

[And Step]

Originally Posted by John Prewett: No evil deed was ever done due to guidance of the NT revealed Jesus Christ.

Jesus didn't own slaves. Taught all his followers are brothers which eliminates the slave master-slave relationship.

Jesus didn't come to tell Rome how to run the temporal world.

Jesus came to [among other things] show that the temporal world is only TEMPORARY.

Jesus's guidance does not support worldly temporal slavery.

In stark contrast to my white Christian ancestors who killed men and enslaved their wives and children.

Ok. Let us try this again. Do you want me to post NT scriptures that condone "evil" as you call it. I see you trying to slither with the Jesus worldwide temporal slavery bit because you know...yeah you know I got the goods on you to laminate that ass.

 

[waterproof]

Ok. Let us try this again. Do you want me to post NT scriptures that condone "evil" as you call it. I see you trying to slither with the Jesus worldwide temporal slavery bit because you know...yeah you know I got the goods on you to laminate that ass.

It was SHAUL's fault doing the bid of his masters in Rome in his epistle to the gentiles, YAH aint never told him to say these things. The Disciples didn't trust him. And all the followers of Shaul is mostly racist, pagan idol worshippers. And Shaul letters should of been thrown out, and Shaul was mainly the reason why people justify slavery, and women shutting up in church and wearing hats on their head, straight from the devil, i say.