IC, what are your true personal thoughts on Muslims/Islam?

[And Step]

Interesting how you say God "wouldn't know much of what you ascribe to him linguistically." Even though, He even said the word Himself during His time on earth in bodily form. "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For your is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen." Matthew 6:13

You talking foolishness. The God of all flesh understand all things. Stop being silly.

Amen means to affirm truth. Nothing more, nothing less.

Linguistics? God? Really? SMH @ God being confused by the languages He created. He wouldn't be God if that happened.

Stop trying to box God into your little corner of how you think He should be and operate. God is above us all. He has no limits. Stop trying to paint His face with human terms and ideology.

Nigga please.

You are silly. You were the one who said amen in regards to En-fuego saying don't use the word Islam. And how stupid do you look to say Jesus spoke English when it wasn't even a language at that time. He was from the Middle East dude.

I am actually showing you the foolishness of your stance in relationship to your tripping off of the language. I don't trip off of titles and language like you silly negros.

I have people in my circle who are Christian, Muslim, Hebrew, Metu Nedr adherants, Kemetic science and we blend lovely. I look at the spirit and principle, not this silly ass Negro religious gang banging you clowns do.

You were the one that said you couldn't use the word allah and Islam, and I showed you how silly you were in your false assertions by using English and Greek lexicon.

Your a surface dweller money. You need to dig deeper.................

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

LOL. I am sorry that accent is the most funny to me. I just can't imagine someone getting angry or gully with an accent like that.

I know! That's another reason it's awesome!! Ever seen Russell Peters? The Hoodel... is haunded.... jusd to inform you. But I also like to just listen to in, not laugh about it.

 

[And Step]

I know! That's another reason it's awesome!! Ever seen Russell Peters? The Hoodel... is haunded.... jusd to inform you.

I saw Russel Peters in NYC. Dude is hella funny.

The Bits he does about his parents are hilarious.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I saw Russel Peters in NYC. Dude is hella funny.

The Bits he does about his parents are hilarious.

He is, I like the body language he uses too.

 

[And Step]

He is, I like the body language he uses too.

I'm prejudiced, every time I hear that accent I have mental flashes of cigarette posters and Slush puppies.

 

[Olorun22]

You obviously don't get it. The language is irrelevant. It is the principles and precepts that define something. You can call it whatever you want in whatever language you speak. Islam is just an Arabic word that has multi-layered meaning.

So if you had a life threatening disease that depended on you eating apples to survive, you would reject it because someone offered you a pomme?

I get what you're saying but Islam is just a conquering tool for Arab. Just like you said earlier in the thread about we created the culture, principles etc but they brought it in a form that benefited them. But to sit here and defend Muhammad legacy when they have did more harm on the continent then the Europeans is Wrong!

 

[And Step]

I get what you're saying but Islam is just a conquering tool for Arab. Just like you said earlier in the thread about we created the culture, principles etc but they brought it in a form that benefited them. But to sit here and defend Muhammad legacy when they have did more harm on the continent then the Europeans is Wrong!

Muhammad never set foot on the African continent. In addition to that he placed an African at the head of the first Mosque he established. He further stated that he saw footsteps of that African going into paradise ahead of his own( a prophetic reference that the Black man would lead the way to paradise). Your beef is with the crooked Arabs after him.

Using that logic, no black person should have anything to do with anything African or tradition religion because it was the African who sold us to the European, Arabs and Radanites for trade purposes. The Ashanti were heavily involved in the slave trade with the British. Not to mention the Africans on the East who were involved with the Arabs.

It is obvious that you have not been on the African continent. There are whole nations and masses on that continent that are Muslim that don't have an Arab on them(Gambia, Senegal, Upper Nigeria). They still maintain they cultural dress, customs, and languages. Don't just depend on Henrik Clarke and Dr. Ben books, go there yourself.

And there is no way you can compare the colonization, transplanting of millions, usurping the resources of Africa, destroying the learning centers by Europeans with the slave trading of the few Arabs from the Bottom portion of the Arabian peninsula. Stop it, man.

 

[garv]

Muhammad never set foot on the African continent. In addition to that he placed an African at the head of the first Mosque he established. He further stated that he saw footsteps of that African going into paradise ahead of his own( a prophetic reference that the Black man would lead the way to paradise). Your beef is with the crooked Arabs after him.

Using that logic, no black person should have anything to do with anything African or tradition religion because it was the African who sold us to the European, Arabs and Radanites for trade purposes. The Ashanti were heavily involved in the slave trade with the British. Not to mention the Africans on the East who were involved with the Arabs.

It is obvious that you have not been on the African continent. There are whole nations and masses on that continent that are Muslim that don't have an Arab on them(Gambia, Senegal, Upper Nigeria). They still maintain they cultural dress, customs, and languages. Don't just depend on Henrik Clarke and Dr. Ben books, go there yourself.

And there is no way you can compare the colonization, transplanting of millions, usurping the resources of Africa, destroying the learning centers by Europeans with the slave trading of the few Arabs from the Bottom portion of the Arabian peninsula. Stop it, man.

The bolded is true, but in this case as you said in your previous post, the essential principles of Islam have always been about even before the Prophet Muhammad, if thats the case why don't you deal with those original principles, without the politics of a organized religion?

 

[Olorun22]

Muhammad never set foot on the African continent. In addition to that he placed an African at the head of the first Mosque he established. He further stated that he saw footsteps of that African going into paradise ahead of his own( a prophetic reference that the Black man would lead the way to paradise). Your beef is with the crooked Arabs after him.

Using that logic, no black person should have anything to do with anything African or tradition religion because it was the African who sold us to the European, Arabs and Radanites for trade purposes. The Ashanti were heavily involved in the slave trade with the British. Not to mention the Africans on the East who were involved with the Arabs.

It is obvious that you have not been on the African continent. There are whole nations and masses on that continent that are Muslim that don't have an Arab on them(Gambia, Senegal, Upper Nigeria). They still maintain they cultural dress, customs, and languages. Don't just depend on Henrik Clarke and Dr. Ben books, go there yourself.

And there is no way you can compare the colonization, transplanting of millions, usurping the resources of Africa, destroying the learning centers by Europeans with the slave trading of the few Arabs from the Bottom portion of the Arabian peninsula. Stop it, man.

You already know who I got my information from and the things your telling I already know. Until I go over there and see that is all I can go off of. So, they're information isn't painting the right picture? Going to Africa is not going to change how I feel about Islam/Arabs/Muhammad as it hasn't for some of us that has already been there.

 

[garv]

You already know who I got my information from and the things your telling I already know. Until I go over there and see that is all I can go off of. So, they're information isn't painting the right picture? Going to Africa is not going to change how I feel about Islam/Arabs/Muhammad as it hasn't for some of us that has already been there.

Real Talk..........

 

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Once again this thread is still going, and my brother And Step is still teaching and enlightening.

Whilst the people he is debating with copy and paste very long Biblical excerpts in the hope of drowning him out/or confusing him.

And Step keep it up.

 

[And Step]

You already know who I got my information from and the things your telling I already know. Until I go over there and see that is all I can go off of. So, they're information isn't painting the right picture? Going to Africa is not going to change how I feel about Islam/Arabs/Muhammad as it hasn't for some of us that has already been there.

I grew up on Dr. Ben, JH Clarke, and others. I got mad love and respect for them.

They tell the truth in a lot of instances, but they go too far in some and they paint an inaccurate and incomplete picture. They focus solely on Arab and European invaders and very little on the conditions and circumstances that led to us being overran in the first place. Our disunity and adhering to tribalism. We were at war with each other long before the Crackers and Arab money came into the picture.

There information is not painting a complete picture. Mainly(and this is my prob with some of the Afrocentric scholars) they paint a picture that makes Africans look like flawless helpless victims. They have confused a whole generation on who the true enemy and to the source of our problems. They paint a historical picture in a vacuum.

How you feel about Arabs or whomever, should not blind you to sound principles. Black people can't afford to be subjective in their thinking. A lot of them dudes have axes to grind and they have an agenda and much of it comes from their personal feelings toward religion. That does not make for sound scholarship. Because you will ignore certain things to fit your agenda. I know what the European and Arabs did. However there are certain things they did that we can learn and benefit from.

 

[And Step]

The bolded is true, but in this case as you said in your previous post, the essential principles of Islam have always been about even before the Prophet Muhammad, if thats the case why don't you deal with those original principles, without the politics of a organized religion?

Can you name me a people who made any progress without politically organizing around a set of principles, religious or otherwise.? The Chinese, Arabs, Jews, Europeans, have all organized around principles whether in religion or not.

Our problem is not knowledge. Our problem is a lack of principle centered organizational unity. This is why we don't make progress. We are too fractured and we will do anything to each other. I am a revolutionary but I will bang your wife, steal from you, talk and plot behind your back.

Nah, we need a code of conduct that will govern our affairs until we get back to our natural state.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I'm prejudiced, every time I hear that accent I have mental flashes of cigarette posters and Slush puppies.

You had to have heard 'your daughter kick my dog' on youtube no? That had me dying.

 

[Olorun22]

I grew up on Dr. Ben, JH Clarke, and others. I got mad love and respect for them.

They tell the truth in a lot of instances, but they go too far in some and they paint an inaccurate and incomplete picture. They focus solely on Arab and European invaders and very little on the conditions and circumstances that led to us being overran in the first place. Our disunity and adhering to tribalism. We were at war with each other long before the Crackers and Arab money came into the picture.

There information is not painting a complete picture. Mainly(and this is my prob with some of the Afrocentric scholars) they paint a picture that makes Africans look like flawless helpless victims. They have confused a whole generation on who the true enemy and to the source of our problems. They paint a historical picture in a vacuum.

How you feel about Arabs or whomever, should not blind you to sound principles. Black people can't afford to be subjective in their thinking. A lot of them dudes have axes to grind and they have an agenda and much of it comes from their personal feelings toward religion. That does not make for sound scholarship. Because you will ignore certain things to fit your agenda. I know what the European and Arabs did. However there are certain things they did that we can learn and benefit from.

Are you Muslim? How do you defend the rasict statements in the qu'ran, suras, and hadith?

 

[And Step]

Are you Muslim? How do you defend the rasict statements in the qu'ran, suras, and hadith?

Ha Ha. OK, En-Fuego, I see your doing the Labyrinth thing.

So if i tell you that I am a Muslim, you will use that as an ideological escape hatch to reject what I am saying even if it is the truth?

I was raised in a South African rain forest by apes and I....J/K. I was raised by Christians, but I was heavily influenced by a Muslim segment of my family who taught me much, I am that I am.

What racist statements are you referring to in the Quran? And what Surahs in the Quran are you referring to? And when did I defend them?

The Hadith is so confused. Some of them are very questionable as to their validity. Some people have been caught making up Hadith.

I do know that Muhammad is purported to have said that if a man has a face like soot and the hair the texture of raisins and he speaks the wisdom of God, follow him.

I do know the Muhammad states that there is no superiority of the white over the Black or the Arab over the Non-arab. I do know that the Quran states that the best of you is he who is most observant of your duty.

Give me a few. BTW, Surah is just a chapter of the quran it is not different.

 

[And Step]

You had to have heard 'your daughter kick my dog' on youtube no? That had me dying.

I don't think so, I am going to check it out though.

 

[Mellow Hype]

It takes alot of discipline to be a muslim that most people just don't have.

 

[supaman4321]

Are you Muslim? How do you defend the rasict statements in the qu'ran, suras, and hadith?

“ O Mankind! Most certainly, it is We (God almighty) who have Created you all from a single (pair) of a male and a female. And it is we who have made you into nations and tribes, that ye may recognise each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily, the noblest of you in the sight of Allah is (He who is) the most righteous of you. „

—(Qur'an 49:13)

“ And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations. In your languages and your colours; verily in that are Signs for those who know. „

—(Qur'an 30:22)

“ All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - except by piety and good action. „

—(Hadith, Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 7, Ch. 3)

do you have any idea what you're talking about, show me these Ayah and authentic hadith that supposedly support racism and i guarantee they won't be from Allah and His messenger

and yes I am a Muslim before you ask, now produce your proof!

 

[garv]

Can you name me a people who made any progress without politically organizing around a set of principles, religious or otherwise.? The Chinese, Arabs, Jews, Europeans, have all organized around principles whether in religion or not.

Our problem is not knowledge. Our problem is a lack of principle centered organizational unity. This is why we don't make progress. We are too fractured and we will do anything to each other. I am a revolutionary but I will bang your wife, steal from you, talk and plot behind your back.

Nah, we need a code of conduct that will govern our affairs until we get back to our natural state.

Maybe i worded it wrong, you can study the essential principles in Islam without being a practicing Muslim, why study a arabized version when you can study the original? You've already said in this thread that the principles found in Islam are not new, and were around before Muhammad, and for this i agree yet you still choose to immerse yourself in a arabized political version of doctrines that were borrowed from elsewhere.