I went to church recently and I honestly TRIED to believe.

[louis the great]

I hear what your saying,and forgive me for not quoting the exact chapter..i wanna say 12 &13 speaking of the beasts, but again....the way i remember reading it was the ones who were eager to follow the beast were those who flat out denounced God in the first place...

those who consistantly wanted to see their own miracles....so when they saw the power of the beast, and how he healed himself from a supposed death womb people began their own churches worshiping the beast, and the precious beast before him.....

the beast was curing sickness and what not, and those who already denounced God felt as those this beast who was demonstrating his power on earth was who they should worship.....

the ones who denouced the beast were the ones whose names were already written in the book of life, and were safe from the beasts power...

again..i don't have any notes from me, so i can't verify this 100%...

but IMO it seems as if you're accusing the church of today for worshiping the beast...when that would only be true if the church was representing worldly things that can be explained as the beast...

the thing is there's a lot of things in the world that anyone can point out and say they represent the beast...

man's value of money,

man's amazemnt in his own creations....

i mean it's very easy to see thta many ppl are pulling away from the church and putting thier confidence in things of the world that they feel is more tangibale and real...

so to claim that those in the church are following the beast is inccorect IMO...unless you have a church where people are worshingping their leader instead of God himself

This has been going on for decades. I see where you are coming from *daps* but the part I think you are missing is the deception which will and is occuring in churches around the Globe today. Here's one small but HUGE instance............ When you say ur prayers and so forth you end it with what? Amen correct? Well this is really an acknowledgement of Satan. I will explain later but see @ Seminary's and other College's these preachers go to they are aware of this and for some reason NEVER INFORM their flocks abt this Abomination. Why is that? Because there is an agenda thats alot bigger than you think being played. Its chess not checkers and Deception is Element and key to their plans. Do you think most people are going to willing Praise Satan or Accept World Government as stated in Revelation no brother they will be decieved by epic propotions and wonders we cant even begin to imagine.

 

[Dupac]

our preacher went all the way through proverbs, and two weeks he preached on immorality in general and then sexual immorality... he's what you call a 'fire and brimstone' type preacher and was very direct....but i've never seen so many people get up and walk out of 2 sermons in my life. There is some serious, harsh words throughout Proverbs. Thats why i like it. I would much rather leave church feeling like shit (i.e. convicted) than leaving all happilly

yea but preaching to the choir can get old after a while, especially if you know your congregation, as a good pastor should...

i mean sometimes they need that fire and brimstone....but there's good and bad ways to do it

 

[junegemini]

my biggest fear is dying and then trying to get into heaven and God be like 'depart from me for i never knew you'

 

[American Loo VII 3D]

Christians: I have a question.

Would you agree that in order for me to have faith, I would have to abandon a certain amount of logic.

Thats a serious question, by the way..

 

[junegemini]

This has been going on for decades. I see where you are coming from *daps* but the part I think you are missing is the deception which will and is occuring in churches around the Globe today. Here's one small but HUGE instance............ When you say ur prayers and so forth you end it with what? Amen correct? Well this is really an acknowledgement of Satan. I will explain later but see @ Seminary's and other College's these preachers go to they are aware of this and for some reason NEVER INFORM their flocks abt this Abomination. Why is that? Because there is an agenda thats alot bigger than you think being played. Its chess not checkers and Deception is Element and key to their plans. Do you think most people are going to willing Praise Satan or Accept World Government as stated in Revelation no brother they will be decieved by epic propotions and wonders we cant even begin to imagine.

so even when we say 'in Jesus name I(we) pray, amen' you still feel its acknowledging Satan?

 

[Dupac]

This has been going on for decades. I see where you are coming from *daps* but the part I think you are missing is the deception which will and is occuring in churches around the Globe today. Here's one small but HUGE instance............ When you say ur prayers and so forth you end it with what? Amen correct? Well this is really an acknowledgement of Satan. I will explain later but see @ Seminary's and other College's these preachers go to they are aware of this and for some reason NEVER INFORM their flocks abt this Abomination. Why is that? Because there is an agenda thats alot bigger than you think being played. Its chess not checkers and Deception is Element and key to their plans. Do you think most people are going to willing Praise Satan or Accept World Government as stated in Revelation no brother they will be decieved by epic propotions and wonders we cant even begin to imagine.

u gotta give me some reference on that....

because i would challenge it, but i have to a reference to back up my claim...

because to my knowledge Amen simply is a agreeance that what was spoken is true

what is the background that Amen is an acknowledgement of Satan......with proof please

 

[junegemini]

Christians: I have a question.

Would you agree that in order for me to have faith, I would have to abandon a certain amount of logic.

Thats a serious question, by the way..

i always believed that to have faith is to acknowledge that Jesus is your Lord and Savior. It's hard to fully understand the Bible and/or the teachings of the Bible

 

[Dupac]

Christians: I have a question.

Would you agree that in order for me to have faith, I would have to abandon a certain amount of logic.

Thats a serious question, by the way..

not at all, cuz like i said in the begginning..no one is a perfect christian... to be a 100% christian u can't be alive on this planet, because u would never bee 100% christ like until you die....

are you dead yet?

no you're still a part of this world.. u can do your best to live your life rightestly and just have faith that when judgement comes wyou will be adequately rewarded for your doings...

if in the eyes of God you've done good, then you will be rewarded as such..

 

[American Loo VII 3D]

i always believed that to have faith is to acknowledge that Jesus is your Lord and Savior. It's hard to fully understand the Bible and/or the teachings of the Bible

I guess what I'm trying to say is the concept of "God's everlasting love" for us has always baffled me.

Basically because if I had the physical power to give my loved ones (or children) for that matter, any kind of world I wanted , i certainly wouldnt give them one like this.

 

[Darius]

yea but preaching to the choir can get old after a while, especially if you know your congregation, as a good pastor should...

i mean sometimes they need that fire and brimstone....but there's good and bad ways to do it

i guess i mean he's firey in his delivery and tone. But he doesn't mince words when it comes to what the scripture. If its good news or bad. And some people want to be preached to in a way that sort of spins scripture to where its not condescending or judgemental

 

[longjohnsilver]

tHE PEOPLE ARE THE CHURCH. And that is all. There's no where in the Bible where it says you must fellowship with others NOWHERE, I dont knock it but in Revelations it says when Jesus returns to claim his Kingdom upon this Earth he will only be happy with 7 churchs in the entire world. What are the odds you are going to one of those church's? Slim to fuck*n NONE! So I choose not to even go!

Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching

26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins

it doesnt command that we attend but it does encourage us to.i feel what u sayin tho people do put way to much emphasis on the actual building as opposed to their lifestyle

 

[One Spliff]

lious the great is on point with all his posts...

church is the last place you go to find god...

God wrote the Bible in such a way that non-elect people are kept in blindness. While He has elected to save some, others are hardened by His Word. The spiritual nature and focus of the Scriptures exposes, and even intensifies, the hardness of people's hearts who are unregenerate. Thus, it is absolutely necessary that God give us spiritual insight and the desire to find Truth in His Word before we will begin to submit to it. When the unsaved read the Bible, they only see the historical setting because they are unable to harmonize the Scriptures, or they find what they believe to be contradictory statements. And this is God's intention. Again, God states in Isaiah 28:13,

But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

At first blush, many passages appear to contradict each another until they are carefully harmonized by comparing spiritual things with spiritual (Scripture with Scripture). The carnal, or natural, mind of man is at enmity with God and cannot perceive how these verses harmonize because they must be understood on a spiritual level. Since the carnal, unsaved person is unspiritual (they do not have the indwelling Holy Spirit), the spiritual harmony of the Scriptures appears as a contradiction to them on a physical level. The words of the Bible are multidimensional, so to speak, so that the natural mind cannot comprehend them properly without spiritual illumination from God. Unless God gives spiritual understanding and regenerates the heart, the carnal man will remain in spiritual darkness to this physical world and enslaved to sin and Satan, leading the individual to eternal death. Moreover, without a regenerated heart, the carnally-minded person does not trust the authority of God's Word, but rather looks for reasons to discount it as false in order to continue living in sin, and even in false Christianity. They will always reject God's Word (even if they claim to believe in it) and the true believers as nonsense -- they just don't "make sense" no matter how clearly, no matter how adamantly, carefully or passionately they testify of the Truth

 

[Dupac]

I guess what I'm trying to say is the concept of "God's everlasting love" for us has always baffled me.

Basically because if I had the physical power to give my loved ones (or children) for that matter, any kind of world I wanted , i certainly wouldnt give them one like this.

that's trying to understand too much at one time...

like i said there's no one on this planet who understands it ALL....somethings may bother, shake the faith, and not stil weel with the most holy person o this planet until the day they die....

that doesn't neccesarily mean they'll loose all faith...

it just means like everyone else on this planet, they'll die unsure of the motives of all God's actions..yet they just have faith that he knows best

there's many great men and women who will never understand why God did this or that...some may lose complete faith, and some may continue faith...

theres never a clear answer to what is really what...

all we can do on this planet is do our best to maintain faith, and live as righteously as possible....

 

[Dupac]

i guess i mean he's firey in his delivery and tone. But he doesn't mince words when it comes to what the scripture. If its good news or bad. And some people want to be preached to in a way that sort of spins scripture to where its not condescending or judgemental

agreed...that's why i love bible college much more than sermons or sunday school...we really get down to it, and u always leave still thinking and appriciating what u learnt

 

[Darius]

Christians: I have a question.

Would you agree that in order for me to have faith, I would have to abandon a certain amount of logic.

Thats a serious question, by the way..

I'm not smart enough to explain that side of it, you may have to venture into apologetics.

I suggest

I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist by Norm Geisler

or anything written by Ravi Zacharias

they tend to speak on those types of issues.

 

[American Loo VII 3D]

lious the great is on point with all his posts...

church is the last place you go to find god...

God wrote the Bible in such a way that non-elect people are kept in blindness. While He has elected to save some, others are hardened by His Word. The spiritual nature and focus of the Scriptures exposes, and even intensifies, the hardness of people's hearts who are unregenerate. Thus, it is absolutely necessary that God give us spiritual insight and the desire to find Truth in His Word before we will begin to submit to it. When the unsaved read the Bible, they only see the historical setting because they are unable to harmonize the Scriptures, or they find what they believe to be contradictory statements. And this is God's intention. Again, God states in Isaiah 28:13,

But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

At first blush, many passages appear to contradict each another until they are carefully harmonized by comparing spiritual things with spiritual (Scripture with Scripture). The carnal, or natural, mind of man is at enmity with God and cannot perceive how these verses harmonize because they must be understood on a spiritual level. Since the carnal, unsaved person is unspiritual (they do not have the indwelling Holy Spirit), the spiritual harmony of the Scriptures appears as a contradiction to them on a physical level. The words of the Bible are multidimensional, so to speak, so that the natural mind cannot comprehend them properly without spiritual illumination from God. Unless God gives spiritual understanding and regenerates the heart, the carnal man will remain in spiritual darkness to this physical world and enslaved to sin and Satan, leading the individual to eternal death. Moreover, without a regenerated heart, the carnally-minded person does not trust the authority of God's Word, but rather looks for reasons to discount it as false in order to continue living in sin, and even in false Christianity. They will always reject God's Word (even if they claim to believe in it) and the true believers as nonsense -- they just don't "make sense" no matter how clearly, no matter how adamantly, carefully or passionately they testify of the Truth

The Doggfather

The Son

And the Holy CEO

 

[Darius]

does anyone in this thread go to bible college?

 

[Dupac]

does anyone in this thread go to bible college?

other than DUSouljah

 

[One Spliff]

The Doggfather

The Son

And the Holy CEO

lmaooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Bwoahmizzee]

I've already vented many times that I don't even agree with churches calling other churches out and one group saying they are better than the other.

Religion does nothing but seperate.

Worst case scenario a holy war will jump off and how is that gonna benefit anybody?

Each religion needs to accept each other and just realize that each worships differently

church...................don't get me started