"I Was Scared Of Prodigy" Diddy Talks Mobb Deep Bringing Guns to My Studio

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5 Grand;c-10101277 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-10101043 said:
5 Grand;c-10100418 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-10100324 said:
5 Grand;c-10100295 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-10100247 said:
lol 2Pac died though. You can't say the man didn't do anything without acknowledging that he got killed in the midst of trying to get things done.

And the Biggie/Hitler comparison made sense. It might have been unnecessarily inflammatory, but all he was really saying was that Biggie came at a time when rappers in NYC were looking for someone to blame for their lack of success and Bad Boy scapegoated the West Coast. I don't know if they actually did that, but Pac believed they did, and that behavior is analogous to what Hitler did with the Jews in Germany.

Martin Luther King died too.

Abraham Lincoln died.

Jesus died.

You can't use the excuse that "he died" which is why he didn't accomplish what he set out to do.

We've been over this a million times. Pac was out on bail when he jumped Orlando Anderson. He would have been in the same shoes as Meek Mills

MLK died after the Civil Rights movement act was passed. Lincoln died after the Union was restored. Jesus died after he had picked his disciples and delivered the gospel. Pac was still in the process of trying to get that movement going. If any of those people you mentioned had died in the middle of the struggles they had taken on, the argument you're making against Pac would have just as easily applied to them.

But that's not what hapenned.

What exactly is your point? You're criticizing Pac as if he was an ineffectual person and ignoring the fact that it was his death not his lack of drive or effectiveness that prevented him from accomplishing his goals.

My point is that @gee757 posted a link of 2Pac comparing Biggie to Hitler. That is a ridiculous comparison and further explains how 2Pac was demented and out of touch with reality.

All the Pac stans say the exact same thing in every thread that mentions him, they say, "Pac was going to do this" or "Pac was going to do that" or "If Pac did what he said he was going to do then he would have made a bigger impact than God" or "If only Pac did this instead of that" or "Pac would have done this and that" and my personal favorite, "If Pac started Death Row East with Eric B they would have been like Bad Boy, No Limit and Def Jam combined".

Its the same hypotheticals in every thread, "If this had happened then this and that would have happened".

The reality is that he was out on bail and jumped Orlando Anderson in the casino. If he didn't get shot and killed he would have gone to prison for violating the terms of his bail. Thats what would have happened.

Again, to me the Biggie/Hitler comparison made sense. It was inflammatory and unnecessary to make his point, but it wasn't ridiculous IMO.

And I see what you're saying about the hypotheticals. No one knows what he would have accomplished had he not died. But it's still unfair to paint him as someone who could get things done while ignoring the fact that an untimely death is a large part of the reason he failed. Now if you want to make the argument that his actions may be responsible for that death and his recklessness always would have interfered with his ability to get things done, there is probably merit to that.
 
5 Grand;c-10101277 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-10101043 said:
5 Grand;c-10100418 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-10100324 said:
5 Grand;c-10100295 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-10100247 said:
lol 2Pac died though. You can't say the man didn't do anything without acknowledging that he got killed in the midst of trying to get things done.

And the Biggie/Hitler comparison made sense. It might have been unnecessarily inflammatory, but all he was really saying was that Biggie came at a time when rappers in NYC were looking for someone to blame for their lack of success and Bad Boy scapegoated the West Coast. I don't know if they actually did that, but Pac believed they did, and that behavior is analogous to what Hitler did with the Jews in Germany.

Martin Luther King died too.

Abraham Lincoln died.

Jesus died.

You can't use the excuse that "he died" which is why he didn't accomplish what he set out to do.

We've been over this a million times. Pac was out on bail when he jumped Orlando Anderson. He would have been in the same shoes as Meek Mills

MLK died after the Civil Rights movement act was passed. Lincoln died after the Union was restored. Jesus died after he had picked his disciples and delivered the gospel. Pac was still in the process of trying to get that movement going. If any of those people you mentioned had died in the middle of the struggles they had taken on, the argument you're making against Pac would have just as easily applied to them.

But that's not what hapenned.

What exactly is your point? You're criticizing Pac as if he was an ineffectual person and ignoring the fact that it was his death not his lack of drive or effectiveness that prevented him from accomplishing his goals.

My point is that @gee757 posted a link of 2Pac comparing Biggie to Hitler. That is a ridiculous comparison and further explains how 2Pac was demented and out of touch with reality.

All the Pac stans say the exact same thing in every thread that mentions him, they say, "Pac was going to do this" or "Pac was going to do that" or "If Pac did what he said he was going to do then he would have made a bigger impact than God" or "If only Pac did this instead of that" or "Pac would have done this and that" and my personal favorite, "If Pac started Death Row East with Eric B they would have been like Bad Boy, No Limit and Def Jam combined".

Its the same hypotheticals in every thread, "If this had happened then this and that would have happened".

The reality is that he was out on bail and jumped Orlando Anderson in the casino. If he didn't get shot and killed he would have gone to prison for violating the terms of his bail. Thats what would have happened.

A lot of people miss this. Pac would have went to prison with Suge and came out and fell off.
 
Puff frontin'...

From P's book...

".. a fight broke out between this crew the Young Guns from Mount Vernon and some other guys. Puff was visibly upset that they’d broken up his party, screaming and yelling from behind a few bodyguards who had guns out. We left and went home..."
 
a_list;c-10101434 said:
5 Will Not Lose....lol

Plz that delusional biggie Stan lost.......5 is lying when he says Tupac was all talk no action cuz pac was going to be the NY king & he was putting in work .......that's y makaveli started the 1nation project & the deathrow east take over & on 9/4/96 mc ny went to NY & claimed check mate with deathrow east...a og NY hip hop legend like Greg nyce spoke on makaveli coming back home to NYC


The only reason deathrow east did not work is cuz pac got killed......but had pac not got killed he would've been king of ny wit east coast Kat's like Nas, Wu Tang; boot camp clik & more ny rappers behind him...

achewon87;c-10102781 said:
Puff frontin'...

From P's book...

".. a fight broke out between this crew the Young Guns from Mount Vernon and some other guys. Puff was visibly upset that they’d broken up his party, screaming and yelling from behind a few bodyguards who had guns out. We left and went home..."

Puffy also said suge was talking to jd not him @ the source awards

 
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niggas is always tough when they got niggas with them or you on they turf.

an these are grown men with money...

but who still getting money right now?
 
2stepz_ahead;c-10102837 said:
niggas is always tough when they got niggas with them or you on they turf.

an these are grown men with money...

but who still getting money right now?

Bad boy....but while both deathrow & bad boy was both functioning deathrow was running laps around bad boy
 
gee757;c-10102828 said:
a_list;c-10101434 said:
5 Will Not Lose....lol

Plz that delusional biggie Stan lost.......5 is lying when he says Tupac was all talk no action cuz pac was going to be the NY king & he was putting in work .......that's y makaveli started the 1nation project & the deathrow east take over & on 9/4/96 mc ny went to NY & claimed check mate with deathrow east...a og NY hip hop legend like Greg nyce spoke on makaveli coming back home to NYC


The only reason deathrow east did not work is cuz pac got killed......but had pac not got killed he would've been king of ny wit east coast Kat's like Nas, Wu Tang; boot camp clik & more ny rappers behind him...

achewon87;c-10102781 said:
Puff frontin'...

From P's book...

".. a fight broke out between this crew the Young Guns from Mount Vernon and some other guys. Puff was visibly upset that they’d broken up his party, screaming and yelling from behind a few bodyguards who had guns out. We left and went home..."

Puffy also said suge was talking to jd not him @ the source awards


That all sounds good....Shouldn't be calling anybody delusional, tho....lol

 
a_list;c-10104282 said:
gee757;c-10102828 said:
a_list;c-10101434 said:
5 Will Not Lose....lol

Plz that delusional biggie Stan lost.......5 is lying when he says Tupac was all talk no action cuz pac was going to be the NY king & he was putting in work .......that's y makaveli started the 1nation project & the deathrow east take over & on 9/4/96 mc ny went to NY & claimed check mate with deathrow east...a og NY hip hop legend like Greg nyce spoke on makaveli coming back home to NYC


The only reason deathrow east did not work is cuz pac got killed......but had pac not got killed he would've been king of ny wit east coast Kat's like Nas, Wu Tang; boot camp clik & more ny rappers behind him...

achewon87;c-10102781 said:
Puff frontin'...

From P's book...

".. a fight broke out between this crew the Young Guns from Mount Vernon and some other guys. Puff was visibly upset that they’d broken up his party, screaming and yelling from behind a few bodyguards who had guns out. We left and went home..."

Puffy also said suge was talking to jd not him @ the source awards


That all sounds good....Shouldn't be calling anybody delusional, tho....lol


5 is a delusional biggie Stan tho if he believes pac was all talk & no action everything I said is facts...


^ pac is declaring peace between the east & west on that unreleased 1nation trak wit Greg nyce..& here's Steve stoutes talking about how makaveli & deathrow east seen Nas @ the mtv music awards n 96


Deathrow east was a real movement in motion that would've took over the east if 2pac had not died..
 
Lol...U just as delusional as you're claiming 5 to be if you think a 96 Big Daddy Kane and Greg Nice wouldve out done Bad Boy....Maybe 91...lol....Shyt the westcoast Deathrow wouldnt have touched Bad Boy from 96 on forward...
 
a_list;c-10104923 said:
Lol...U just as delusional as you're claiming 5 to be if you think a 96 Big Daddy Kane and Greg Nice wouldve out done Bad Boy....Maybe 91...lol....Shyt the westcoast Deathrow wouldnt have touched Bad Boy from 96 on forward...

Huh aeom 5 x plat in a few months n 96 who on bad boy was putting up them #s n 96???
 
gee757;c-10104934 said:
a_list;c-10104923 said:
Lol...U just as delusional as you're claiming 5 to be if you think a 96 Big Daddy Kane and Greg Nice wouldve out done Bad Boy....Maybe 91...lol....Shyt the westcoast Deathrow wouldnt have touched Bad Boy from 96 on forward...

Huh aeom 5 x plat in a few months n 96 who on bad boy was putting up them #s n 96???

Now tell me about those Death Row releases in 97, 98, 99...
 
gee757;c-10104934 said:
a_list;c-10104923 said:
Lol...U just as delusional as you're claiming 5 to be if you think a 96 Big Daddy Kane and Greg Nice wouldve out done Bad Boy....Maybe 91...lol....Shyt the westcoast Deathrow wouldnt have touched Bad Boy from 96 on forward...

Huh aeom 5 x plat in a few months n 96 who on bad boy was putting up them #s n 96???

Notorious BIG - Ready To Die - 4x Platinum

Craig Mack - Project Funk The World - Gold

Faith Evans - Faith Platinum

Total - Total - Platinum

112 - 112 - Platinum

Juicy (single) - Gold

Big Poppa (single) - Platinum

One More Chance/Stay With Me (single) - Platinum

According to the RIAA, in 1997, Bad Boy sold over 30 million records in the U.S. alone;

  • Can’t Nobody Hold Me Down (single) – Puff Daddy & Ma$e 4X Platinum
  • Hypnotize (single) – Notorious B.I.G. – Platinum
  • I’ll Be Missing You (single) – Puff Daddy & The Family – 3X Platinum
  • Its All About The Benjamins (single) – Puff Daddy & The Family - Platinum
  • Been Around The World (single) – Puff Daddy & The Family– 2X Platinum
  • Life After Death (album) – Notorious B.I.G. 10X Platinum
  • No Way Out (album) – Puff Daddy & The Family – 7X Platinum
  • Harlem World (album) – Ma$e – 4X Platinum
  • Sky's The Limit (sinle) - Gold

To answer your question, Bad Boy only released two albums in 1996, Faith's album and 112's album. Faith went Platinum and 112 went 2x Platinum.
 
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a_list;c-10104946 said:
gee757;c-10104934 said:
a_list;c-10104923 said:
Lol...U just as delusional as you're claiming 5 to be if you think a 96 Big Daddy Kane and Greg Nice wouldve out done Bad Boy....Maybe 91...lol....Shyt the westcoast Deathrow wouldnt have touched Bad Boy from 96 on forward...

Huh aeom 5 x plat in a few months n 96 who on bad boy was putting up them #s n 96???

Now tell me about those Death Row releases in 97, 98, 99...

Nun of those yrs matter I'm only speaking on the yr makaveli was here n the physical form.....when 2pac came too deathrow n 96 their stock shot 10× higher then bad boy....... deathrow was killing bad boy so bad n 96 that the row was able 2 get a x bad boy artist craig mack on the roster n 96 on deathrow east..........bad boy didn't have the money or power to get a x deathrow artist on the label & start a bad boy west they was struggling to get shit out that's y big took damn near 3yrs 2 put his 2nd album out..
 

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