I feel sorry for all you "you don't need college" niggas in the next decade or so.

[Got Em Shook]

I couldn't focus with all the scattered pussy in college. I got my associates and bounced and makin close to 70k a year....

 

[7figz]

Niggas really arguing about this shit ?

If your goal includes a college degree, then go for it... otherwise don't.

Fuck all the other shit.

 

[Gold_Certificate]

INB4 rare exceptions and shit like:

"Out of five niggas I know, one didn't do to college and he makes the most money."

"X person dropped out of college, and he's rich."

"My nigga went to college, and he's unemployed."

Cosign. SMH @ Niggas still clinging to exceptions.

My predecessor posted this back in the day, it's still somewhat relevant here:

What Kind of Degree Do You Need to Be a CEO?

What may be surprising to some people is that a recent study showed 21% of CEOs received their degree in engineering.

Close Link Between Engineering and Business Management

Since 1988, M.I.T. has offered a specialized crossover program between its engineering and management schools called the “Leaders of Global Operations,” or L.G.O. Graduates of the two-year program earn both a master’s degree in engineering and an M.B.A. [...]

Reflecting that, 70 percent of the school’s M.B.A. students this year have engineering backgrounds, up from 55 percent last year...

Engineers and Business School - A Match Made in Heaven

Quick, take a guess: What fraction of MBA students are engineers?

About a third, according to admissions officers at some of the top programs. It's not hard to imagine why masters programs in business administration want so many math-drenched applicants, but what's in it for the engineers?

"They may have a product idea and recognize they don't have the business skills to make it work," says Linda Abraham, who started the admissions consulting service Accepted.com, in Los Angeles, where 40 percent of MBA admission seekers are engineers....

S&P 500 CEO’s: Engineers Stay at the Top

2008 Data from Spencer Stuart on S&P 500 CEO shows once again more have undergraduate degrees in engineering than any other field, increasing to 22% of CEO’s this year.

ENGINEER TO CEO: THE DEVELOPMENT OF BALANCE

After studying the formation of more than 150 companies, and talking with the heads of ten different venture capital organizations, I've concluded that 90 percent of technology based firms are started by engineers.

Perhaps this figure isn't startling, but if we focus on the disciplines involved for engineers and entrepreneurs, we can see why so many individuals and organizations fail.

First of all, engineers are skilled in the planning, design and construction of a product. They solve challenging problems, make technological breakthroughs and develop successful products. They are stimulated by producing the next generation of a product and making it successful

So, typically, the more successful entrepreneurs have degrees. They also happen to be engineers as well.

Gotdayum. So going to college can even benefit you if you plan to be an entrepreneur?

I guess that puts that whole "College is for those who want to work for someone else" shit to rest.

RIP.

 

[evoljeanyes]

INB4 rare exceptions and shit like:

"Out of five niggas I know, one didn't do to college and he makes the most money."

"X person dropped out of college, and he's rich."

"My nigga went to college, and he's unemployed."

Cosign. SMH @ Niggas still clinging to exceptions.

My predecessor posted this back in the day, it's still somewhat relevant here:

What Kind of Degree Do You Need to Be a CEO?

What may be surprising to some people is that a recent study showed 21% of CEOs received their degree in engineering.

Close Link Between Engineering and Business Management

Since 1988, M.I.T. has offered a specialized crossover program between its engineering and management schools called the “Leaders of Global Operations,” or L.G.O. Graduates of the two-year program earn both a master’s degree in engineering and an M.B.A. [...]

Reflecting that, 70 percent of the school’s M.B.A. students this year have engineering backgrounds, up from 55 percent last year...

Engineers and Business School - A Match Made in Heaven

Quick, take a guess: What fraction of MBA students are engineers?

About a third, according to admissions officers at some of the top programs. It's not hard to imagine why masters programs in business administration want so many math-drenched applicants, but what's in it for the engineers?

"They may have a product idea and recognize they don't have the business skills to make it work," says Linda Abraham, who started the admissions consulting service Accepted.com, in Los Angeles, where 40 percent of MBA admission seekers are engineers....

S&P 500 CEO’s: Engineers Stay at the Top

2008 Data from Spencer Stuart on S&P 500 CEO shows once again more have undergraduate degrees in engineering than any other field, increasing to 22% of CEO’s this year.

ENGINEER TO CEO: THE DEVELOPMENT OF BALANCE

After studying the formation of more than 150 companies, and talking with the heads of ten different venture capital organizations, I've concluded that 90 percent of technology based firms are started by engineers.

Perhaps this figure isn't startling, but if we focus on the disciplines involved for engineers and entrepreneurs, we can see why so many individuals and organizations fail.

First of all, engineers are skilled in the planning, design and construction of a product. They solve challenging problems, make technological breakthroughs and develop successful products. They are stimulated by producing the next generation of a product and making it successful

So, typically, the more successful entrepreneurs have degrees. They also happen to be engineers as well.

Gotdayum. So going to college can even benefit you if you plan to be an entrepreneur?

I guess that puts that whole "College is for those who want to work for someone else" shit to rest.

RIP.

Saying college is mandatory is for people who want to work for worker bees. Relax...college benefits those who have a plan

 

[jman252]

Going to college is all well and good but at the end of the day like Laurence Fishburne told Ice Cube and Omar Epps characters in Higher Learning that the world doesn't want empty rhetoric, it wants to know if you have a plan and even a pawn can become a powerful player in the game and can make a checkmate. Prepare for your journey, Launch out in action, Adjust as you go and Network with those who know. PLAN. Self knowledge is key in this day and age.

 

[Gold_Certificate]

INB4 rare exceptions and shit like:

"Out of five niggas I know, one didn't do to college and he makes the most money."

"X person dropped out of college, and he's rich."

"My nigga went to college, and he's unemployed."

Cosign. SMH @ Niggas still clinging to exceptions.

My predecessor posted this back in the day, it's still somewhat relevant here:

What Kind of Degree Do You Need to Be a CEO?

What may be surprising to some people is that a recent study showed 21% of CEOs received their degree in engineering.

Close Link Between Engineering and Business Management

Since 1988, M.I.T. has offered a specialized crossover program between its engineering and management schools called the “Leaders of Global Operations,” or L.G.O. Graduates of the two-year program earn both a master’s degree in engineering and an M.B.A. [...]

Reflecting that, 70 percent of the school’s M.B.A. students this year have engineering backgrounds, up from 55 percent last year...

Engineers and Business School - A Match Made in Heaven

Quick, take a guess: What fraction of MBA students are engineers?

About a third, according to admissions officers at some of the top programs. It's not hard to imagine why masters programs in business administration want so many math-drenched applicants, but what's in it for the engineers?

"They may have a product idea and recognize they don't have the business skills to make it work," says Linda Abraham, who started the admissions consulting service Accepted.com, in Los Angeles, where 40 percent of MBA admission seekers are engineers....

S&P 500 CEO’s: Engineers Stay at the Top

2008 Data from Spencer Stuart on S&P 500 CEO shows once again more have undergraduate degrees in engineering than any other field, increasing to 22% of CEO’s this year.

ENGINEER TO CEO: THE DEVELOPMENT OF BALANCE

After studying the formation of more than 150 companies, and talking with the heads of ten different venture capital organizations, I've concluded that 90 percent of technology based firms are started by engineers.

Perhaps this figure isn't startling, but if we focus on the disciplines involved for engineers and entrepreneurs, we can see why so many individuals and organizations fail.

First of all, engineers are skilled in the planning, design and construction of a product. They solve challenging problems, make technological breakthroughs and develop successful products. They are stimulated by producing the next generation of a product and making it successful

So, typically, the more successful entrepreneurs have degrees. They also happen to be engineers as well.

Gotdayum. So going to college can even benefit you if you plan to be an entrepreneur?

I guess that puts that whole "College is for those who want to work for someone else" shit to rest.

RIP.

Saying college is mandatory is for people who want to work for worker bees. Relax...college benefits those who have a plan

Shit's typically beneficial for both "worker bees" and entrepreneurs though.

So whether one tries to use entrepreneurs as an exception or label employees as "worker bees", the underlying fact that college is beneficial still stands.

I'm not saying it's "mandatory"; high school isn't even "mandatory".

 

[Meta_Conscious]

shall we also explore the social benefits of college? potentially new city/state... new ppl/pussy... great life experiences overall... nah?

 

[blakfyahking]

I don't like how colleges are artificially inflating their tuition and making their degrees worth less and less.

^^^^real shit

make states and corporations pay for college since they ultimately benefit the most from college educated workers

 

[haute]

Is it that hard to understand that not everything is everybody

And just because you choose BBQ sauce instead of hot sauce doesnt make you that much smarter

 

[haute]

I don't like how colleges are artificially inflating their tuition and making their degrees worth less and less.

^^^^real shit

make states and corporations pay for college since they ultimately benefit the most from college educated workers

Slowly higher education will have to do something along those lines, they're pretty much pricing themselves outside the reach of middle class families and they can't sustain themselves that way

 

[FucktheIC]

Is it that hard to understand that not everything is everybody

And just because you choose BBQ sauce instead of hot sauce doesnt make you that much smarter

Haute, that's a false equivalency.

You'd be better off saying that just because I choose chicken breast every day over a big mac doesn't make me that much smarter.

Sure, you might not have a heart attack if you eat a big mac everyday, and I still might have one even with eating chicken breast everyday, but I'll choose my odds over yours 10 times outta 10.

Also, my argument wasn't that college is for everyone. It wasn't that people who go to college are smarter. My argument, which I've backed up, is that many unskilled and unprofessional jobs are falling to the wayside. So your ODDS/CHANCES are better with a degree in the FUTURE than without one. That's all. It's not saying you're a worker bee, there's no value judgment at all there. It's simply the odds.

The logic used in this thread is saying that instead of investing in stocks you should just dump your money into buying lottery tickets everyday. I mean shit, why not be a risk taker?

 

[haute]

But having success/future is subjective

There are Americans who, because of their experieneces, define it by a job (and theyre not picky about that job either) and not being in jail, as making it and they're happy AND content with it. And if that's what makes them happy everyday, who am I knock them, especially when I probably can't connect with where they come from.

yes ideally they should want more, but you have to meet people where they're at

Should more people consider going to school, probably, but with how education has changed in just the last 5 years, It's a tough sell for the working poor. Truth be told trade schools and two years degrees will start to be more helpful than bachelors if changes in higher education are not made.

 

[FucktheIC]

But having success/future is subjective

There are Americans who, because of their experieneces, define it by a job (and theyre not picky about that job either) and not being in jail, as making it and they're happy AND content with it. And if that's what makes them happy everyday, who am I knock them, especially when I probably can't connect with where they come from.

yes ideally they should want more, but you have to meet people where they're at

Should more people consider going to school, probably, but with how education has changed in just the last 5 years, It's a tough sell for the working poor. Truth be told trade schools and two years degrees will start to be more helpful than bachelors if changes in higher education are not made.

This isn't about success. It's about living. I'm not talking about a working poor family where daddy works at the sanitation plant and comes home smelling to high heaven but it still happy.

How will they survive without a job? You can't feed kids with love, b.

Get rid of all the value judgments and see what I'm saying solely for what I'm saying.

Jobs for people without degrees will be scarce. So you can talk this ish about being an entrepreneur, but american entrepreneurship is only made possible by us having the largest consumer class in the history of the world. If people aren't in positions to have jobs to have expendable income, there are no entrepreneurs.

I'm only asking everyone to look past themselves and look at the generational impact. What do we do when the engines that created the middle class(farming, industrial jobs, low education service jobs), what do we do when those are gone?

 

[Dr.Chemix]

You are merely changing your previous argument so that you may win a debate against @haute.

 

[BlackThor356]

yall please dont let this thread starter gas u up....a degree in comunications/criminal justice/any performing arts/english/literature of any kind/history of any kind (and this is what most of mufuckas in school for) aint gon do much for u. sure u'll get some wack job as a teacher or a rental agent at enterprise, but thats about it.....learn something else....thats in demand

 

[atribecalledgabi]

@Azad what's your business in?

 

[dallas' 4 eva]

I really understand the debt argument, but how much debt is the avg college graduate dealing with?

Man my girl makes two stacks every two weeks and 700 comes out for school loans BEFORE she can pay her bills. If it wasn't for my help she would be paying that back for the rest of her life.

I don't know anyone with that amount of school loans.

You telling me her minimum payment is $700?

Paying $700, how quick will that payoff the loan.

Ok I found out basically she has it set up that way so she can have it all paid up for by the time she's 30. Her minimum payment is $100 bucks.

 

[AZTG]

@atribecalledgaby

My business is retail, I own 3 gift/hobby shops, selling all types of accessories, RC toys like helicopters, planes, cars, boats. Winter time is almost here, so im working on getting some winter apparel, and stock up on the RC toys for christmas.

 

[Boricua Ma]

2 people who are hired @ the same company in the same department doing the same job.. Degree=85,000 NoDegree=40,000 So glad I have my degree..

 

[FucktheIC]

You are merely changing your previous argument so that you may win a debate against @haute.

hahaha. Alright, breh. Whatever I did to you, I apologize.