I busted a nut after watching this video. Real talk.

[Kwan Dai]

If, you have no concept of God, Heaven and Hell then there is no point in doing for others? There are many people who are happy and sleep well at night while never lifting a finger to help some one else.

 

[And Step]

[video=youtube;gCVKfmVvSlg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCVKfmVvSlg[/video]

R.I.P. Ms. Hepburn.

I wonder if she felt she should do good out in the open for people here when she was banging another woman's husband for a couple of decades. Disgracing his wife and children.

Atheist should pick better representatives.

Lauce

 

[BiGG_DuBB 760]

This is pretty much my way of thinking. It's also one of the many problems I have with Christianity or rather the religion as it is practice. Preachers are always talking about doing this or that so you can receive your blessings. It's never that you should do those things just because they are the right thing to do.

On the flipside, whether you believe he was divine or not, most people would probably agree that the world would be a lot better if everyone adopted Jesus' teachings. This shouldn't be confused with the Christians act though. By and large the behavior most Christians show are pretty much contradictory to what Jesus taught. He pretty much said the most important commandment was to love your neighbor as you love yourself. How many Christians actually do that.

Also, if she referred to Jesus as Christ, then she is automatically acknowledging his divnity as that is what the title Christ means.

Either they're not Christians or they're struggling in their walk. Can't speak for all tho. People attack Christians, but im guessing everyone else with different religions or beliefs are always 100% faithfull to their teachings. That is why HE forgives because he knows we sin.

 

[Punisher__]

I wonder if she felt she should do good out in the open for people here when she was banging another woman's husband for a couple of decades. Disgracing his wife and children.

Atheist should pick better representatives.

Lauce

You mad? LOL!

You lauce...Atheists stay winning.

 

[Punisher__]

On a serious note...I think people are misinterpreting Ms. Hepburn's message.

If it's self-evident, you don't need God for it. As she said, doing something wrong makes her extremely uncomfortable, and doing something right makes her very happy. This is self-evident. You should know when you're doing something good/bad, because of how it makes you feel.

There are exceptions to this, though. It's just generally speaking.

 

[And Step]

You mad? LOL!

You lauce...Atheists stay winning.

Nah son. Never mad. I style on atheist, on the regular.

 

[Punisher__]

Nah son. Never mad. I style on atheist, on the regular.

Sir, do you even know who Katharine Hepburn is?...Besides the fact that she was banging Spencer Tracy...

Respect your elders. This is most likely before your time, b.

 

[And Step]

Sir, do you even know who Katharine Hepburn is?...Besides the fact that she was banging Spencer Tracy...

Respect your elders. This is most likely before your time, b.

Of course I know. On Golden Pond was one of my fav's. She was damn near a 100 when she passed so it's prob before all our times.

What is my time? I defy time, space, and gravity.

Because, I am that dude.

 

[Punisher__]

Of course I know. On Golden Pond was one of my fav's. She was damn near a 100 when she passed so it's prob before all our times.

What is my time? I defy time, space, and gravity.

Because, I am that dude.

Are you an alias?

 

[And Step]

I'm insulted.

To think that I would care enough about my e-status to create an alias is disheartening.

 

[glowy]

I wonder if she felt she should do good out in the open for people here when she was banging another woman's husband for a couple of decades. Disgracing his wife and children.

Atheist should pick better representatives.

Lauce

[video=youtube;VhcScBdnEhY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhcScBdnEhY[/video]

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[Punisher__]

dpresidential, I see you lurkin...you ol lurkin ass nigga.

Contribute to my classic thread.

 

[dpresidential]

So Pun..I am the I.C's Candyman...

"Punisher says DPres' name in I.C mirror 3 times*

I understand what she is saying and I appreciate her feeling what she believes is an "instinctive feeling to do good." Honestly, she falls into the category of person that, had she believed in God, she would still do good deeds and not wrong not because she wants a reward but because she just feels fulfilled doing them. Much like myself.

There are certain things I do want to say though, we can't criticize people who "believe in God and do good things" because they too are most likely doing good because it fulfills them.

 

[Punisher__]

So Pun..I am the I.C's Candyman...

"Punisher says DPres' name in I.C mirror 3 times*

I understand what she is saying and I appreciate her feeling what she believes is an "instinctive feeling to do good." Honestly, she falls into the category of person that, had she believed in God, she would still do good deeds and not wrong not because she wants a reward but because she just feels fulfilled doing them. Much like myself.

There are certain things I do want to say though, we can't criticize people who "believe in God and do good things" because they too are most likely doing good because it fulfills them.

 

[dpresidential]

I agree. You might wanna come back a little laidher, and try again.

Are you an atheist?

lol @ I agree.

No, I am not. I believe in God. I wouldn't classify myself in a religion though. Why?

Not trying to push anybody towards God but this analogy makes sense to me...

"I want you to think of your favorite video game or computer software. Now think about how complex it is and ask yourself would it be possible that with the same ingredients that make up that disk an individual just haphazardly threw the material together without trying to create anything...he just mixed it up just to do it. Would you say that by chance, it would be possible for that video game or software to be formed by chance? I believe not. So when I look at this world and its complexity, especially compared to the software(which couldn't have been here without being create) how could it have been put together by chance? " Just the way I think, feel free to destroy it and crush it. lol

By the way...no disrespect to anyone's beliefs. Had to give that disclaimer but I have a question...

What prevents an Atheist from doing whatever they can, good or bad, if they KNOW they can get away with it? If an Atheist knew with 100% certainty that he could rob, rape and steal without getting caught...should he? Why or why not?

 

[BOSS KTULU]

the video games analogy

We know video games are designed. We design them.

We have no such knowledge of the universe itself, and in fact, all available evidence points to a naturalistic formation of everything.

The excuse that "well it doesnt seem very likely" is impossible for you to make since you don't have available data to extrapolate that probability.

Also, most of the universe appears to be shitty.

What prevents an Atheist from doing whatever they can, good or bad, if they KNOW they can get away with it? If an Atheist knew with 100% certainty that he could rob, rape and steal without getting caught...should he? Why or why not?

Atheism is a position on the existence of deities. It does not prohibit or require ethics. An atheist can believe in an eye for an eye, the Golden Rule, Kantian Categorical Imperatives, cultural norms, utilitarianism, etc. etc. etc.

Basically, the thing preventing us AWFUL atheists from raping and murdering at will is that we're human beings with a basic social decency imbued in us instinctively as primates that survive through group cooperation.

 

[dpresidential]

We know video games are designed. We design them.

We have no such knowledge of the universe itself, and in fact, all available evidence points to a naturalistic formation of everything.

The excuse that "well it doesnt seem very likely" is impossible for you to make since you don't have available data to extrapolate that probability.

Also, most of the universe appears to be shitty.

Atheism is a position on the existence of deities. It does not prohibit or require ethics. An atheist can believe in an eye for an eye, the Golden Rule, Kantian Categorical Imperatives, cultural norms, utilitarianism, etc. etc. etc.

Basically, the thing preventing us AWFUL atheists from raping and murdering at will is that we're human beings with a basic social decency imbued in us instinctively as primates that survive through group cooperation.

Ktulu, I don't represent anyone but myself so you saying "AWFUL atheists" sarcastically really shouldn't apply to me. Did you think I was judging you? By the way, your explanation on the separation of Atheism and Ethics makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

Also, the "video games analogy" wouldn't work if we looked at it from an individual's perspective that has never seen technology before? For instance, man on a beach who has never seen any evolution in technology sees a ticking watch in the sand. The complexity of such a thing denotes a creator yet he has no evidence, nor does he have the experience or knowledge to know it was "designed." What would his perspective be on the watch? And on that same token, how should he view the universe?

Again, I am not like alot of people on "annonymous forums" as in I don't put down people who are making valid points, so by no means hsould youthink I look at Atheists as...AWFUL.

Pun...where are you at! Calling you out. lol

 

[BOSS KTULU]

Also, the "video games analogy" wouldn't work if we looked at it from an individual's perspective that has never seen technology before? For instance, man on a beach who has never any evolution in technology sees a ticking watch in the sand. The complexity of such a thing denotes a creator yet he has no evidence, nor does he have the experience or knowledge to know it was "designed." What would his perspective be on the watch? And on that same token, how should he view the universe?

this is Paley's Watchmaker argument, so called because a naturalist named William Paley first proposed it that way

theres whole books on why its a good question but he got the answer wrong

one such book that goes into very heavy detail is dawkins "the blind watchmaker"

the fact is that when we examine the universe, we do not actually find evidence of design

as for people who've never seen technology, theres some examples of this happening. they form "cargo cults" and try to make flying machines by building airplane-shaped objects out of sticks and trash

its funny in a colonialist sort of way

theres also the piraha people of brazil, an indigenous tribe of atheists who tend to convert christian missionaries to rationalism

so by no means hsould youthink I look at Atheists as...AWFUL.

you did say that we have nothing stopping us from going on rape/murder rampages

 

[dpresidential]

you did say that we have nothing stopping us from going on rape/murder rampages

No...I did not. If you look at my post, I asked a question. You misunderstood.

No evidence of design? I think we are treading into even more subjective ground by saying that. What are the qualifications for "evidence of design." With all due respect there are no "double blind studies when examining "evidence of design" so for the scientists who are looking for such evidence, how can we be sure that they weren't biased of the fact that they don't "WANT" to see a design. Maybe they do, maybe they don't, I just have to look into this study you speak of.

 

[BEAM]

the fact is that when we examine the universe, we do not actually find evidence of design

The more I read your opinions on this, the more I realize how little you know about design.

While this may turn into another answerless, victory-less bout of ours, I just find it hard for you to find any sort of absolute nature in your opinion.

I mean, I'd be willing to go into the depths of design ad such with you to help you understand the balances between function, design, time, and perception, but I fear you'll just drift into another one of your "I'm right" trips again...