harlem hustla
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this aint pokemon that evolution shit aint real god
BiblicalAtheist
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I'm not sure what comes after developing a conscience. What would the next mental stage be?
fiat_money
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Humans evolve every time genetic variation occurs.
Otherwise, humans would look exactly the same as their same-sexed parent; with no genetic/phenotypic differences.
The genetic variation that speciated homo sapiens is not necessarily something that could only happen to two organisms either.
Homo sapiens came about 2 million years after the homo genus; and the homo sapiens sapiens subspecies (modern humans)--which is 200,000 years old--came about 300,000 years later.
Check back in a million years or so.
Otherwise, humans would look exactly the same as their same-sexed parent; with no genetic/phenotypic differences.
The genetic variation that speciated homo sapiens is not necessarily something that could only happen to two organisms either.
Homo sapiens came about 2 million years after the homo genus; and the homo sapiens sapiens subspecies (modern humans)--which is 200,000 years old--came about 300,000 years later.
Check back in a million years or so.
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melanated khemist
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How much longer before a('nother) verifiable example of two human beings evolving into existence, independent of any outside intelligence, comes along?
NEVER!
NEVER!
fiat_money
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As with other animals, humans were merely one of many species to diverge under their genus after millions of years.solid analysis;4214912 said:
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Jaded Righteousness;4213557 said:
Because that just so happen to be the number that the question allows.
take however many a number you need.
Then proceed to the next question: "How much longer before a('nother) verifiable example of (x number) of human beings evolving into existence, independent of any outside intelligence, comes along?"
another point: we have countless examples of human-kind and and animal-kind being begat by like kinds of it's own.
ie. cows begetting cows, cats begetting cats, birds begetting birds, etc.
we have no examples of ANY-KIND evolving, coming to existence, from a KIND other than it's own. ie: no frogs, that grew up to be little boys later.
Also, we have no examples of ANY-KIND evolving, coming to existence, independent of any outside intelligence, than that which occurs doing say the natural mating process.
judahxulu;4213366 said:
yea...i won't make a thesis for the age of the world because i wasn't there when it started..and neither does The Book give an age; it's moreso people use The Book and the genealogies therein as way of measuring. so it depends on what one use to measure. Still, none of us were there when it began so we'll never know...but i do hold the age of the world to be way younger than millions and billions of years.
BiblicalAtheist;4210423 said:
Human had a conscience since day one, no matter how much they were, or were not, aware of it.
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One would need to define what a 'KIND' is before we could answer the question you are posing Solid Analysis. Looking at a statement like 'cows beget cows, cats beget cats, and birds beget birds' you have a massive range for KIND. Birds are defined as the class Aves so birds beget birds is the same as mammals beget mammals which means a dog can give birth to a dolphin. Cats beget cats would allow my calico house cat to give birth to a lion. Cows beget cows is actually pretty accurate. The point is KINDs is a meaningless category while species is a very specific and practical category. Species beget the same species.
But this leads to a paradox. If species beget species where do new species come from? Well to resolve this we must look at life as a continuum. There is never a point were *poof* an ape-man/woman couple gives birth to a human. Instead there is an unbroken line of generations moving back through time that connects any human being with simpler creatures from the past.
If you looked at only the people that made up your ancestors about 3,000 years ago they would look identical to modern humans, maybe slightly shorter. Move back 30,000 and you would begin to notice slight changes in the jawline and head but nothing you would considered weird. 150,000 years ago you would still call your ancestors human but now they do appear pretty different from modern humans. If you went back 300,000 you would probably look at your ancestors (those that would contribute DNA to your existence) and say wait they are not human any more. If you stepped generation by generation through your ancestors from 150,000 through 300,000 years ago you would never see some hard line that you stated that generation is human and the previous one is not.
Species are like a blending of colors. Imagine a bright yellow blending into a vibrant orange. While it is simple to see the difference between the ends of that color spectrum trying to draw a line in the middle and say everything on this side is yellow and everything on the other is orange might be impossible.
But this leads to a paradox. If species beget species where do new species come from? Well to resolve this we must look at life as a continuum. There is never a point were *poof* an ape-man/woman couple gives birth to a human. Instead there is an unbroken line of generations moving back through time that connects any human being with simpler creatures from the past.
If you looked at only the people that made up your ancestors about 3,000 years ago they would look identical to modern humans, maybe slightly shorter. Move back 30,000 and you would begin to notice slight changes in the jawline and head but nothing you would considered weird. 150,000 years ago you would still call your ancestors human but now they do appear pretty different from modern humans. If you went back 300,000 you would probably look at your ancestors (those that would contribute DNA to your existence) and say wait they are not human any more. If you stepped generation by generation through your ancestors from 150,000 through 300,000 years ago you would never see some hard line that you stated that generation is human and the previous one is not.
Species are like a blending of colors. Imagine a bright yellow blending into a vibrant orange. While it is simple to see the difference between the ends of that color spectrum trying to draw a line in the middle and say everything on this side is yellow and everything on the other is orange might be impossible.
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solid analysis;4215291 said:
No they didn't, not until they ate of the tree of. Until man ate of the fruit, they were animals, knowing neither good nor evil, afterwards beast became like gods, knowing good and evil. We know knowledge without wisdom and understanding is pretty much useless(lying ass snake) so I figure after gathering so much understanding and wisdom humans will experience another 'mental leap in evolution'.
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No, humans are constantly evolving.Young-Ice;4216005 said:
Recorded human history only goes back a few thousand years, a mere 2.5% of the time since they speciated.
We haven't been around long enough to conclude that we've stopped evolving.
fiat_money;4214997 said:As with other animals, humans were merely one of many species to diverge under their genus after millions of years.solid analysis;4214912 said:
of course we see variation within a given species and this is expected in a complex and well designed system to help with adapting to various circumstance. i know this is often used as 'evidence' to support evolutionary theories.
But again, what we don't see is complete transformation between kinds of species. Most people accept that this isn't something that we would be able to observe on the day to day; mainly because if these type of transformation were possible, the development would take ginormous amounts of time.
solid analysis;4215291 said:
Well first of all, your question doesn't make any sense by supposing that only two humans would pop up out of some kind of simple form unrelated to the species that humans evolved from, unable to mate with like animals, natural selection steering the path of evolution towards larger brains and other qualities that make humans beings human. Honestly, I think you should study the topic a little more before you attempt to debate it.
You can look back and see fossil evidence of the evolutionary path of animals; elephants and horses in example. Evolution takes years and years, more than the span of your lifetime to actually see it take place in front of your eyes.
I have a question for you though: In what way can we observe any outside intelligence playing any part in the evolutionary process? Other than the Bible telling you so, where do you get this idea?
Obviously, evolution and natural selection are better theories than the intelligent design theory. Unlike the God theory, we can actually observe evolution taking place. Unlike the God theory, natural selection is completely logical
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whar;4215914 said:
pardon my use of such broad term, but by 'KIND' i mean, the 'family' - 'the umbrella' for the given family the animal fall under. Lions, panthers, tigers, cheetahs, for example belonging to the cat family.
whar;4215914 said:
ie. humans and chimpanzees i take? the problem with this view is the biased focus on similarities and the ignoring of the differences.
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fiat_money
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We don't usually see it because it takes too long, recorded human history is only a few thousand years old. Speciation usually takes hundreds of thousands of years, millions in fact; humans have not been recording history for millions of years. This is why--in most cases--we only have fossils of these earlier species.solid analysis;4216117 said:fiat_money;4214997 said:As with other animals, humans were merely one of many species to diverge under their genus after millions of years.solid analysis;4214912 said:
of course we see variation within a given species and this is expected in a complex and well designed system to help with adapting to various circumstance. i know this is often used as 'evidence' to support evolutionary theories.
But again, what we don't see is complete transformation between kinds of species. Most people accept that this isn't something that we would be able to observe on the day to day; mainly because if these type of transformation were possible, the development would take ginormous amounts of time.
However, sub-speciation and speciation has been observed by humans to an extent:
fiat_money;1999997 said:
Additionally, speciation has been observed in plenty of plants and insects, the Croatian lizard, the Central European blackcap, the Galapagos finches, land snails, and in species of penguin and African cichlid to a lesser extent.
Insect speciation experiment:
All it takes for speciation to occur is for animals to breed/reproduce within a certain niche of the species long enough for enough variation to occur so that it they can't breed with the rest of the species.
So yes, humans have observed speciation; which is only one form of biological evolution.
