How is it possible for people to be so religious and yet know so little about human history

[powerman 5000]

I got no beef with the bible, it's got a lot of gems in it. Tons of good advice. It starts being an issue, when people start following other people and not the bible. Like people that claim to go to church every sunday. Well, if that's your thing, the bible clearly states that saturday is the sabbath and I'm pretty sure that Jeremiah 10:2-4 says that a christmas tree is pagan and don't put that shit in your house. Even the pope recently came out and said that there were no animals at jesus's birth, probably because it wasn't in the winter. It also says that jesus was black but that still seems to be a minor technicality. If jesus was black, and a jew that could mean that the original jews were black and that would open the flood gates and I'm not trying to have white people jumping from building because their world is turned upside down. The klu klux klan worshiping a black man??? How Bizarre is that. I'm all for whatever helps you be the best person you can be but, if you're going to follow it, follow it right.

 

[blacktux]

Man created god..

So an individual has a choice to follow mans words regarding some fantasy blindly, or to question those words and require proof before man's words are accepted.

Any man who follows another mans word blindly is an idiot.

 

[usmarin3]

I think that's false and stupid. The Bible is full of Human history. There are many religious people that are aware of their past. You're a Jamaican, you should know this. Rastafari?

LOL most Jamaicans aren't even Rastafarian, the island is mostly Christian. I was brought up in the church (unwillingly) and i know for a fact i had no knowledge of the history Christianity and how it spread (the crusades, Vikings, wars,etc), i just blindly followed shit because it was passed down from one generation to the other just like how most religion are.

 

[BoldChild]

Aahhhhhh great here goes another atheist circle jerk thread to add to the collection.

This isn't an atheist thread.

it doesn't have to be an athiest thread for the athiests to get off on preaching as much as the fundamental christians do.

And yet, we are 3 pages in and there is no one in here making an argument about the existence of god(s).

Just because someone has an issue with religion doesn't mean they are an atheist.

 

[usmarin3]

LOL all i am asking is, HAS ANYONE STUDIED RELIGION IN A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE?

Meaning have you studied the time period your religion came out, how your religion moved across the globe, the actors involved and the vessels use to spread it.

This thread has nothing to do with bashing religion, atheism, agnosticism,etc. This is straight religious research.

 

[Dr.Chemix]

More nonsensical threads. Nigga the same shit can be said about what you learned. All your "human history" knowledge arent eye witness/first hand accounts. And anyway if person chooses a path that better their lives, why you hating?

 

[usmarin3]

More nonsensical threads. Nigga the same shit can be said about what you learned. All your "human history" knowledge arent eye witness/first hand accounts. And anyway if person chooses a path that better their lives, why you hating?

School knowledge is scientifically tested, it's based on logic, not blind faith.

 

[Dr.Chemix]

So you were there for the testing? Basically, your knowledge could have been misconstrued just like religion. You just believe the account a of group men with titles...no different than religious groups with men of titles.

 

[Bodhi]

Is this a christianity or religion bashing thread?

neither.

It's a 'people who don't know certain bits of history' bash thread.

Like the people who think atheism is a white mans thing.

It is. Strictly Greco-Roman/Euro.

You're just repeating things you heard and thought sounded good but really don't work out on paper and I'll explain to you why. You use the argument that atheists are stuck in a greco-roman mindset by not believing in an anthropomorphic being, which if we look closely, logically, you are also stuck in a greco-roman mindset if you yourself do not believe in your god being anthropomorphic. Luckily for you, your argument is flawed. It would make more sense to say that BELIEVERS are stuck in that G-R mindset given that they believe in the anthropomorphic being. Non belief in an anthropomorphic being isn't the G-R mindset.

Whether you believe your creator god is anthropomorphic or not, your belief is still theistic. Being atheist has nothing to do with Greek/Roman/European mindsets. Have you forgotten that the greeks and romans were largely theistic? An anthropomorphic deity isn't exclusive to European thought. Take the African Vodun spirits and the Egyptian gods for example. And even then, all greeks and romans did not think alike.

The Greek philosopher Xenophanes (570–480 BCE) said that "the greatest god" resembles man "neither in form nor in mind".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropomorphism#In_religion_and_mythology

I would also like for you to explain how you believe your god is not anthropomorphic, being that, to what I understand, you believe that your god is able to think (including judging and forgiving) and make plans like a human would. The definition of anthropomorphic is: described or thought of as having a human form or human attributes, or ascribing human characteristics to nonhuman things.

Maybe your argument is really supposed to be directed at believers of an anthropomorphic god, seing that assumingly, you don't believe in a god with such traits. That would make perfect sense IMO; what you're saying now doesn't, which leads me to believe that you heard someone else say that, thought it was cool to say and fucked up and got it switched around.

 

[Bodhi]

Prime example: Atheism is not a White man thing, when historically it originated with Greco-Roman philosophy and science and emerged in the European Enlightenment era.

What about Buddhists in ancient India who were non theists????

 

[Melanin_Enriched]

If God doesn't exist explain the Bible. Thesists 1 atheists 0

 

[zombie]

ATHEISM is white people thinking and just like a lot of the things white people have created it is destructive to mankind.

People for the most part do not attribute the destruction created by followers of a religion to the religion itself.

 

[Sour-Cream]

Atheism is a religion and that's why I don't get into these debates. Shit is a pointless battle of why can't y'all niggas stop relying in faith and read a history book. Simple, we don't follow your religion of reliance of self knowledge. In other words, we don't view the world the same way y'all do like a Christian and a Muslim that practice different morals/ethics from each other.

What's sad is that y'all just as crazy as them Jehovah Witnesses that be on the 3 train bothering mafuckers at 6am in the morning, fuck I look like holding a convo with your ass.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Is this a christianity or religion bashing thread?

neither.

It's a 'people who don't know certain bits of history' bash thread.

Like the people who think atheism is a white mans thing.

It is. Strictly Greco-Roman/Euro.

You're just repeating things you heard and thought sounded good but really don't work out on paper and I'll explain to you why. You use the argument that atheists are stuck in a greco-roman mindset by not believing in an anthropomorphic being, which if we look closely, logically, you are also stuck in a greco-roman mindset if you yourself do not believe in your god being anthropomorphic. Luckily for you, your argument is flawed. It would make more sense to say that BELIEVERS are stuck in that G-R mindset given that they believe in the anthropomorphic being. Non belief in an anthropomorphic being isn't the G-R mindset.

Whether you believe your creator god is anthropomorphic or not, your belief is still theistic. Being atheist has nothing to do with Greek/Roman/European mindsets. Have you forgotten that the greeks and romans were largely theistic? An anthropomorphic deity isn't exclusive to European thought. Take the African Vodun spirits and the Egyptian gods for example. And even then, all greeks and romans did not think alike.

The Greek philosopher Xenophanes (570–480 BCE) said that "the greatest god" resembles man "neither in form nor in mind".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropomorphism#In_religion_and_mythology

I would also like for you to explain how you believe your god is not anthropomorphic, being that, to what I understand, you believe that your god is able to think (including judging and forgiving) and make plans like a human would. The definition of anthropomorphic is: described or thought of as having a human form or human attributes, or ascribing human characteristics to nonhuman things.

Maybe your argument is really supposed to be directed at believers of an anthropomorphic god, seing that assumingly, you don't believe in a god with such traits. That would make perfect sense IMO; what you're saying now doesn't, which leads me to believe that you heard someone else say that, thought it was cool to say and fucked up and got it switched around.

Nigga...

Why are you repeating this tired post you made in the blasphemy in Hip Hop thread?

I'm gonna make this brief so you won't think I'm making it up.

The beginnings of non-belief originated in the Ionian region of ancient Greece in the early 6th Century B.C.E. You had Greek philosophers back in those times that were only concerned with physical nature and interested in the question of “becoming,” or how the world works, its origins, and if there were a primary substance from which all things came.

The conceptual framework of freethought was articulated in the ancient world was repeated again by those philosophers over the centuries with each resurgence of irreligion until it explicit or avowed atheism...somewhat like the spread of religion in the world. Kinda ironic, huh?

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Prime example: Atheism is not a White man thing, when historically it originated with Greco-Roman philosophy and science and emerged in the European Enlightenment era.

What about Buddhists in ancient India who were non theists????

But Buddhism is monotheistic in a pantheistic sense not on the "one transcendent supreme creator God".

Even pantheism origins are in Greek roots. You ever heard of Greco-Buddhism?

 

[Bodhi]

Why are you repeating this tired post you made in the blasphemy in Hip Hop thread?

Because you continue to peddle that same tired argument everywhere you go and I'm going to continue to address it every time I see you do it.

The beginnings of non-belief originated in the Ionian region of ancient Greece in the early 6th Century B.C.E. You had Greek philosophers back in those times that were only concerned with physical nature and interested in the question of “becoming,” or how the world works, its origins, and if there were a primary substance from which all things came.

The conceptual framework of freethought was articulated in the ancient world was repeated again by those philosophers over the centuries with each resurgence of irreligion until it explicit or avowed atheism...somewhat like the spread of religion in the world. Kinda ironic, huh?

Schools of thought and philosophies in ancient India had rejected the idea of a God for years before that. The Buddha, for one example, taught in the 6th century BCE espousing a philosophy of non theism.

 

[Bodhi]

But Buddhism is monotheistic in a pantheistic sense not on the "one transcendent supreme creator God".

Original Buddhism is non theistic. The Buddha taught the three marks of existence, two of which are anicca (impermanence) and anatta (non self) meaning that everything in existence is impermanent, for one, and secondly, that nothing has an enduring or eternal self or soul so it is impossible for a human soul or an everlasting and almighty creator god to exist.

Now, as Buddhism moved across Asia, different cultures may have added theistic elements already present to the Buddhist philosophy that they adopted but at its roots, Buddhism is always non theistic, specifically because of anicca and anatta.

You ever heard of Greco-Buddhism?

Nah, but I've heard of Tibetan, Sri Lankan, Japanese, Chinese, and Western Buddhism. What's your point?

 

[ohhhla]

Atheism isn't a religion, you dumb fucks.

Is a couch potato a fucking athlete?