BiblicalAtheist
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Chike;1687330 said:
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BiblicalAtheist;1687343 said:you're still in it, or we wouldn't be typing back and forth
I'm in it physically because I have no choice... but mentally, spiritually, soulfully I'm not a part of this world whatsoever... and I don't contribute to this world for anything other than my basic needs, food clothes and shelter. though I have a few minor items such as this basic computer and a cellphone for communication and learning. That is hardly enough to keep this system up and running if say the whole population follow my lead.
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heyslick;1687726 said:
I don't need a cell phone... I have one because I got it for free due to having the same cell phone for 10 years rather than feeling I need to upgrade it every time a new one comes out. Not that I have to explain anything to you. Plus, I didn't mean I need a cellphone to learn or communicate. I just have one incase I someone needs to get in contact with me. I hardly ever use it unless I'm calling someone to let them know I'm on their way to their house or to meet up. Just because I'm not a part of this world spiritually, doesn't mean I don't interact within in physically. Let's put it this way, I would never support or fight to keep this world the way it is if the time came. That's my point. Stop making me out to be some Amish monk who thinks using technology is an abomination.
I'm solitary in the way that my view on the world differs from any one I have ever met, to the point where If I were to speak out about it, I would be mocked and looked at as a nutjob... some of you already see me that way on this forum when I speak my mind. Luckily I can deal with that type of opinions about me from others.
I don't like consumerism, I don't agree with how western civilization is operating, this doesn't mean I don't agree with technology or other means of advancing humans. As long as the right people were in charge and we took the right steps in using technology to benefit humanity as a whole rather than trying to turn a profit by any means necessary.
Right now, it doesn't seem plausible because of the condition humanity is currently in. You'd have to be in the right state of mind to even imagine it.
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ether-i-am;1688670 said:damn chike! same phone for 10 years! that means you was talking on this
do you know how much bad radiation you was putting out into nature?
har har. That phone would put is in the year 1996 if that was ten years. 10 years might be an exaggeration, but it still makes my point anyway. The cellphone before my current one, I've had for years, and my friend actually gave it to me to begin with. My point was, I don't need to upgrade my phone every year just because the New Hot Shit just came out.... gtfoh... a phone is a phone as long as it works... why the fuck I need the internet on my phone when I leave my home to be out? Last thing I care about is who's online when I'm enjoying being alive outside.
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BiblicalAtheist
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toktaylor;1687385 said:
That's not what I am asking.
ether-i-am;1687406 said:
What do you possess?
Chike;1687441 said:
Lets be real-er here. You have a bunch of shit just like everyone else on this planet. You get to enjoy luxuries and the perks of "the system". You are saying you are detached from it, not a part of the 'world' and all while have happiness. Could not people who have billions of dollars be in the same state of mind, spirit and soul as you?
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BiblicalAtheist;1689088 said:
I don't have billions. I don't have a bunch of "shit". and That "shit" is not what makes me happy. My life style is no where near the cause of why the world is suffering. Not even close. A person who is living in luxury had already made up their mind about what it is that makes them 'happy'... Material wealth. Take that away from them and you take away their happiness. I, on the other hand, could have all my possessions taken away from me and I'd still be able to maintain my inner peace.
A luxurious lifestyle is not only un-necessary, but it's destructive, both inwardly and outwardly. The happiness and inner peace I'm reffering to, TRUE Love, is not the same as being happy that you got a ferrari and a the person in Cambodia doesn't.
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Chike;1689209 said:
I understand what you're saying, but I think it too bold to say others don't have true happiness/true love even with all their possessions.
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ether-i-am;1689232 said:
oh ok, I thought 'possess' was the trick word in the statement
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BiblicalAtheist;1689237 said:
How can you when you're over consumption is the reason people are suffering in the world. Really? You need a ferrari? A car worth enough to feed an entire country for 10 years? Really? You NEED something like that? Anyone with love in their hearts would never desire such an atrocity.
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Chike;1689253 said:
So in your opinion, someone like Bill Gates, isn't truly happy or have true love?
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BiblicalAtheist;1689274 said:
the more money you have, the more fear you have of losing it, the more you possess, the more you want.
Happiness from money is very short lived. While the happiness of people who receive large sums of money might rise immediately after they receive that money, that happiness declines to only slightly above or equal to their level of happiness before the money came to them.
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Chike;1689304 said:
I have no idea what kind of burden it is, which is another reason I don't want to really say they aren't happy or have true love. I'd have to be in the position to know for sure.
toktaylor;1689322 said:
Are you sure poor people didn't just try and justify their poor existence with some witty words? Maybe it is possible to be rich in happiness AND have lots of money
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I honestly believe that money cannot buy happiness and love.
Happiness is the side-affect of feeling physically or spiritually fulfilled, it is how we feel when we are not destroying our lives.
Happiness is how we feel when we can see that we are progressing in the direction that we want to, it is when we can see all that we dream of obtaining getting closer to us.
Money cannot directly buy happiness as it is something that is as individual as the person seeking it and not material in nature, it is a state of being. You can brainwash a person into feeling some kind of happiness, but real happiness only comes from honest personal growth.
Now love.
Love is a feeling that doesn't lie. When we love or are in love there is no denying it, it controls our lives and determines how our bodies feel.
Money cannot buy love because love is also a state of being and no matter how much money someone gives you unless you actually love them you cannot fake it. Your stomach will not quiver, your eyes will not hunger nor will your heart grow heavy for this person who has bought your love.
Disillusioned individuals believe the hype that money can buy happiness and love for them. But this is a self-destructive idea indeed because being unaware of the lie these people will continue to spend money to buy their happiness and buy love from others. Buy if they just look at what they are doing they will see that they are stuck in an endless cycle where they spend money for temporary happiness and love which leaves them unfulfilled as soon as they have been satisfied
Happiness is the side-affect of feeling physically or spiritually fulfilled, it is how we feel when we are not destroying our lives.
Happiness is how we feel when we can see that we are progressing in the direction that we want to, it is when we can see all that we dream of obtaining getting closer to us.
Money cannot directly buy happiness as it is something that is as individual as the person seeking it and not material in nature, it is a state of being. You can brainwash a person into feeling some kind of happiness, but real happiness only comes from honest personal growth.
Now love.
Love is a feeling that doesn't lie. When we love or are in love there is no denying it, it controls our lives and determines how our bodies feel.
Money cannot buy love because love is also a state of being and no matter how much money someone gives you unless you actually love them you cannot fake it. Your stomach will not quiver, your eyes will not hunger nor will your heart grow heavy for this person who has bought your love.
Disillusioned individuals believe the hype that money can buy happiness and love for them. But this is a self-destructive idea indeed because being unaware of the lie these people will continue to spend money to buy their happiness and buy love from others. Buy if they just look at what they are doing they will see that they are stuck in an endless cycle where they spend money for temporary happiness and love which leaves them unfulfilled as soon as they have been satisfied
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BiblicalAtheist;1686095 said:
Then nothing is worth giving up. I said I would give up my house and all the things in it, if I cannot have those back, I wouldn't give that up. I would just leave the billion there for someone else.
BiblicalAtheist;1687322 said:
Nothing.
What if there was a catch to this billion? Anyone ever see this weird movie, "The Box"? A button, that if pushed gave you a million dollars but someone, some where in the world (someone you DIDN'T KNOW) would die. But you also get a repercussion for it as well, something happens to your kid(s). Would you still push the button?
Instead, lets substitute the million for a billion. Could you live knowing you were selfish enough to kill someone else, and disable your kid(s) for a billion dollars?
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VIBE86;1689794 said:
Dude stop trying to jack my thread
just kiddingSo you would only give it up if you could get it back? That isn't giving anything up, that's merely taking a break from it.
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ether-i-am;1689863 said:
You're thinking that being rich is that simple, it's not. You need Resources to be wealthy. Those resources, unless you're getting them in your own back yard, are being taken away from someone else or some other community, which in turn is crippling said community/country... It's a bigger picture than just "Oh my 20 thousand dollar watch aint hurting anyone, it just tells time."
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