How Can People Dislike 50 For Destroying Rappers Careers But Not Pac?

[international]

smh@ this 50 ain't destroy ja's career, it was a combined effort wit Dre and Em and even Busta hopped on the track, smh...and you talkin this Pac shyt, fuck outta here nigga, where the fuck is chino xl? he only still remembered even to this day cuz of the Pac shyt, these niggaz had niggaz wanting to hurt them and shyt over pac there were even rumours bout him being shot, mad niggaz wanted to check them niggaz Pac had beef wit, don't even compare the 2.

 

[gee757]

2wac career started with beef first he beefed with Emerica and whites even though he said whites let him live with him when his moms kick his ass too the curb.Then he beefed with Biggie, Puff, Dre, Mob, Deep, Nas, Jay Z and the cops.Lets face it he made his career off of controversy.

lol@ 2wac & watz wrong wit that? u need 2 stop listenin 2 da muuunkee cuz CRACKAZ aint kool normal whitez like da white jewish lady that pac was livin wit is kool...again pac didnt make his career outta a BEEF GIMMICK like WOODFACE pac & woodface is nuttin alike makaveli was a MADENIGGA & woodface is a HOUSENIGGA!

lol @ 50 making a career off Beef. Beef records don't sell records. Were Backdown and Piggybank singles? Did those songs make it on the charts? Now where were "In The Club", "21 Questions" "Candyshop" "Just A Lil Bit", "Hate em or Love Em" on the charts? That's what people don't realize, they think the beef records or beef in itself sold albums, it didn't. 50 knew this but somewhere along the way the nigga forgot that and focused too much on beef and not enough on making quality singles that the mainstream would just eat up.

50's career was made off of Hot singles that the mainstream would love, street songs that the real niggas would appreciate, and beef for controversy. Beef played a part but it wasn't a big part and it wasn't what made people buy 50's albums. Youtube was around from 50's inception in the rap game, anyone could just go to youtube and listen to "Backdown" if that's all they wanted, but they wanted the whole product. They wanted that GRODT, they wanted The Massacre...after that, they had what they wanted for the most part.

50 didn't destory Ja Rule's career, people just got tired of Ja Rule. Before 50 blew up Ja's popularity was on the decline. After Pain is Love, Ja drastically declined in sales. His last album during the 50 Beef was an EP filled with nothing but street songs and disses and that still did around 500K, so the notion that 50 destroyed Ja's career is stupid. Then Ja's album after that did around 700K, with New York (street song) as the lead single.

johnny u r DELUSIONAL if woodface was so hot y aint he blow up on COLUMBIA? BOO BOO was not a nu artist n 03 he had been around fa like 5yrz b4 98 after HOW 2 ROB woodface aint blow up & go platinum till he became da white boyz SLAVE on da shady plantation & all da BEEF shit.,.,.woodface did make his career outta BEEF thatz y his GIMMICK aint workin NOW if woodface was such a hit maker watz da PROBLEM now? yeah woodface had them mega singlez but that was just cuz da HYPE therr is no other rapper n hiphop history who has 4 albumz & on all 4 of those albumz therrz 1 trak on therr dissin 5 6 rapperz woodface is da VINCE MC MAHON of rap thank goodness VINCE MC MAHON is GONE NOW lol

ppl who tink 50 ended ja career is stupid as fuk . ja had feds on watchin his moves and everything says and does . plus he had half music industry goin at him wit 5-0, aint no one came to his aid jus the murderinc camp . so rlly ja lost becuase he couldt rlly

FALSE....ja rulez NY video makez that very FALSE cuz NY had ja rulez back n 04 & murder inc had DEATHROW & RAPALOT on they side so woodface could neva fully wipe ja out till da FEDZ took da inc down n 05..

 

[thesynthesis]

the main differences are

1) Pac never built his entire career on the back of beef...MATW was pre beef...beef talk on Pacs part started around April 1995

2) 50 uses beef to sell all his albums, he even faked some beef with Kanye

3)Pacs beef started with mostly niggas dissin him first...50 was just bullying niggas for fun, randomly dissing niggas like it was a sport lol

4) Pac was callin truces and working on bringing niggas together, 50 still holding a grudge over dumb shit....

 

[gee757]

I didn't say he was hot. I said he made hot songs, you can't deny that In The Club was a hot song. And he made "How 2 Rob" and that was a song dissing niggas and that did absolutely nothing for his career. That's helping to make my point that beef didn't make him popular. And if Beef made him successful why isn't beef helping him now? Why is the beef not making his albums sell when he was dissing rappers on all of his albums after The Massacre? Making a hit record is a lot harder than making a diss record, there are plenty of rappers that are unable to make a hit. Why 50 can't now maybe a combination of factors such as the public not being as interested in him, him venturing off into other areas instead of focusing just on music, and 50 just not making good songs anymore. I think it was Jada that delivered the great line "you got rich and stopped trying" which would summarize how Curtis' music has been sounding perfectly imo.

so ya gonna act like get rich or die snitchin wasnt about JA RULE? come on now woodface was beefin from da damn door yeah that how da rob shit didnt work but once he became feminemz slave that BEEF GIMMICK took off & woodface aint neva turn back till it was 2 LATE cuz itz ova now his beef gimmick shit aint workin no mo NOW cuz that shit is OLD & TIREd & everybody knowz woodface is a VICTIM rappin like a KILLAAAA lol

the main differences are

1) Pac never built his entire career on the back of beef...MATW was pre beef...beef talk on Pacs part started around April 1995

2) 50 uses beef to sell all his albums, he even faked some beef with Kanye

3)Pacs beef started with mostly niggas dissin him first...50 was just bullying niggas for fun, randomly dissing niggas like it was a sport lol

itz easy 2 'BULLY' people when u have POLICE PROTECTION 24/7 365 that shit aint HARD lol

 

[thesynthesis]

itz easy 2 'BULLY' people when u have POLICE PROTECTION 24/7 365 that shit aint HARD lol

and a white boy like em on ur side...to turn the white masses against u for no reason

50 rode Em's white fanbase to lynch fellow black men for no reason...now that same fanbase have ditched him, but are still loyal to Em

50 is just a reject washed up rapper with a coupla fans....he done musically

 

[soul rattler]

Pretty sure Pac didn't destroy anybody's career accept his own and ultimately Biggie's.

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

They both needed controversy or beef to sell records.

 

[gee757]

and a white boy like em on ur side...to turn the white masses against u for no reason

50 rode Em's white fanbase to lynch fellow black men for no reason...now that same fanbase have ditched him, but are still loyal to Em

50 is just a reject washed up rapper with a coupla fans....he done musically

YEP.....zno call;d it n da old source when he said da wiggaz was gonna tear woodfacez posterz off da wall & still have da crackaz hangin on da wall damn KARMA is a BITCH fa real & woodface is da PROOF lol

He had one song on GRODT that was about Ja Rule and that was "Backdown". He said "Wanksta" was Ja Rule but there arent any direct disses to Ja on Wanksta and I believe Wanksta was already out on the cracca's SDTK for his movie. Was 21 Questions, In The Club, Patiently Waiting, P.I.M.P., What Up Gansta, etc going at Ja Rule? I don't think so but these were the singles that were released and these were the songs that got airtime.

nah not da whole grodt was about ja but da JA RULE beef was still a BIG factor n grodt success cuz woodface was goin after a TOP SELLIN rapper @ da time JA RULE especially when woodface was releasin them mixtapez poppin shit knowin damn well murder inc ran up n da HITFACTORY & blk child cut his snitch azz & he aint do shit but get a ORDER OF PROTECTION like a WANKSTA SNITCH trust me woodface career was built off BEEF & now that gimmick aint workin fa him & ROZAY proved that lol

 

[soul rattler]

They both needed controversy or beef to sell records.

Remind me, what beef and controversy did 2Pac stir up prior to being shot and locked up?

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

Remind me, what beef and controversy did 2Pac stir up prior to being shot and locked up?

He never sold big until he became a convicted rapist/went to jail and or Started the east/west beef.

Look at the numbers for his first 2 albums

 

[gee757]

He never sold big until he became a convicted rapist and or Started the east/west beef.

Look at the numbers for his first 2 albums

still pac & woodface is nuttin alike pac didnt need no racist cracka 2 b a platinum rapper like woodface & pac didnt build his career off a BEEF GIMMICK like woodface pac had albumz b4 he shitt;d on bad boy

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

still pac & woodface is nuttin alike pac didnt need no racist cracka 2 b a platinum rapper like woodface

I never said 50 was better then 2pac. But 2pac DID need controversy to sell.

I ain't mad at him. AEOM is a diamond record because of that

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

50 has used beef the last few years, but at the beginning he didn't. So I give him credit for that

 

[gee757]

I never said 50 was better then 2pac. But 2pac DID need controversy to sell.

I ain't mad at him. AEOM is a diamond record because of that

still pac whole career was not built around BEEEF like woodface them 2 r nuttin alike

50 has used beef the last few years, but at the beginning he didn't. So I give him credit for that

u r DELUSIONAL cuz thatz a LIE

 

[soul rattler]

He never sold big until he became a convicted rapist/went to jail and or Started the east/west beef.

Look at the numbers for his first 2 albums

He didn't get convicted for rape and he was still pushing units before Deathrow.

 

[JokerzWyld]

Neither rapper destroyed anybody's career. Ja Rule's career began to collapse after The Last Temptation but even after Blood In My Eye & R.U.L.E. still went Gold & Plat respectively. On top of that 50 never had a reason to diss Ja in the first place. Unlike 2pac who dissed Biggie because of situation that almost got him killed. 2pac took shots at other rappers but it mostly just a line or 2 here & there. No songs released other than "Hit Em Up" was a full devoted to dissing another rapper.

50 dissed everybody as a gimmick, and most of his disses were weak or subliminal. I don't think he mentioned Ja's name on "Back Down" at all, but cats still hyped it like it was Etherous. 50 Cent "won" that beef because he had more fans, not because he had better content.

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

He didn't get convicted for rape and he was still pushing units before Deathrow.

He DID get convicted for sexual assault though and he spent time in jail for that.

He wasn't pushing units like that until MATW

 

[gee757]

Beef was a minor part of GRODT and why it was successful. Niggas really buy into that beef sells records but it doesn't. It's not gonna advance your sales or your career. When Nas and Jay were beefing do you think Blueprint sold more because of Takeover or Stillmatic sold more because of Ether?

I'm pretty sure 50's album sales were droppin way before anything with Rick Ross the same way Ja Rule's sales were droppin before 50 blew up.

still tho woodface whole career has been built around BEEF that is not a opinion that is a FACT & ya rite woodface sellz was fallin off long b4 ross came threw & made da ggggay-unit CRUMBLE & da reason i say that cuz rozay went @ da ggggay-unit & his last album outsold everybodyz last album on GGGGG-UFLOP!

Neither rapper destroyed anybody's career. Ja Rule's career began to collapse after The Last Temptation but even after Blood In My Eye & R.U.L.E. still went Gold & Plat respectively. On top of that 50 never had a reason to diss Ja in the first place. Unlike 2pac who dissed Biggie because of situation that almost got him killed. 2pac took shots at other rappers but it mostly just a line or 2 here & there. No songs released other than "Hit Em Up" was a full devoted to dissing another rapper.

50 dissed everybody as a gimmick, and most of his disses were weak or subliminal. I don't think he mentioned Ja's name on "Back Down" at all, but cats still hyped it like it was Etherous. 50 Cent "won" that beef because he had more fans, not because he had better content.

ja made a strong come back n 04 just imagine wat wouldve happen if da FEDZ aint neva take murder inc down n 05? smh ja had DEATHROW & RAPALOT behind him aint no tellin wat couldve happen!

 

[JokerzWyld]

^He was convicted of Sexual Assault not rape.

Wasn't 50 dissing Ja over a situation that almost got him killed as well?

Ja was mentioned in Backdown. "How we gonna eat now, 50 Back Around, That's Ja's punk ass thinking out loud"

Ja said in previous interviews that he didn't even know who 50 was. I remember him saying in interviews that he THOUGHT 50 tried to dap him up at a video shoot but Ja refused so 50 been salty ever since.

Good drop on that line. I didn't remember it because of how lame it was.

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

How was GRODT controversial? It was just a hot album