Hell?

[C.Melendez]

you are not born any of those things.

u are in christianity smh...born again...no nicodemus

 

[Hyde Parke]

u are in christianity smh...born again...no nicodemus

ha, ha..thats a whole other thread.

 

[major pain]

well, i don't see oxygen but I believe it's there because there is proof of it's existence.

no, you just proved you have a great memory for remembering what you've been taught since toddlerhood. that when you breathe air, it equals some word that they told me to say, called "oxygen" ...lol...for all we know, oxygen could equal nitrogen or hydrogen or whatever

 

[oliverlang]

no, you just proved you have a great memory for remembering what you've been taught since toddlerhood. that when you breathe air, it equals some word that they told me to say, called "oxygen" ...lol...for all we know, oxygen could equal nitrogen or hydrogen or whatever

well i still can't see it, and given the accepted definition of what "oxygen" is, it exists...regardless of what it is made up of. lol.

 

[major pain]

well i still can't see it, and given the accepted definition of what "oxygen" is, it exists...regardless of what it is made up of. lol.

technically we breathe Nitrogen moreso than Oxygen

I've just exposed you two *dyckryding lames* and your low self-esteem has caused you to hate, these truths, this real, that I keep pummeling you with.

*peep the sig bytchniggs, peep the sig*

 

[oliverlang]

I've just exposed you two *dyckryding lames* and your low self-esteem has caused you to hate, these truths, this real, that I keep pummeling you with.

*peep the sig bytchniggs, peep the sig*

damn it....lmao.

 

[major pain]

more proof, that I am your mitochondria

Wait, please explain, how what I said, is not that real, or else, get up out, of this conversation and return to Satan for more instruction.

 

[major pain]

peep your sig, bytchNIGG, aka 12's whig

Leave, your uncle, up out, of these conversations. I will hurt you about that lady.

 

[And Step]

For any of the religious who believe in hell, how does it make sense to have infinite punishment for finite crimes?

What I mean is, even if a man were immoral his entire life and committed hundreds of thousands of unspeakable acts doesn't there have to be a limite to his punishment?

If hell is the answer to those who don't accept a certain belief system, shouldn't the punishment for this "obstinance" have finite limits? After all, the sins and crimes have been committed in finite ways. What's the justification for infinite punishment for finite crimes?

it doesn't. Hell is not infinite. Hell is not even a place. It is a condition of life.

This was started by masterful deceivers who took codified wisdom and reinterpreted it for ignorant people to make them afraid and keep them ignorant, while freezing them psychologically into thinking that their shortcomings and transgressions will lead them to an eternal damnation after they have lived a full life and have been exploited by devils who made a heaven for themselves on this earth.

This type of teaching makes docile slaves, who will work for a master all day and night making him wealthy while he and his family remains poor.

This type of teaching makes people look up into the sky for help and look down at the ground with fear, when the help the need is all around them.

Hell is war, broken families, fragmented communities, mayhem, having to lock your door at night, not being able to feed your family, poison food,water, and air, gang violence, rape, robbery, murder, police brutality, going 5000 miles away to kill somebody you don't know for a reason you don't know, prisons, insanity,etc.

 

[C.Melendez]

another question....Being saved consist of worshipping God in spirit and "truth" loving him and accepting his son as your savior Right??? God knows your heart right???

Sooooo How many people actually going to heaven....most people don't get saved because they "Truly Love" God.....but many times they get saved after hearing about Hell. MOst people at the church and church convention talks about burning forever causing people to get scared and repent.....Thats Not True Love for God thats called lying to him saying I love u but honestly you using him ...."which he already know u using him and lying" according to his all knowledge of everything

Hes probably laughing at half of these scared ass pricks claiming to love him...or forcing themselves to love him lol

Thats like me beating my bitch ass saying you better love me or i'll punish u....she'll shower me with praises,throw away the frosted flakes, replacing them with hot breakfast,sucking me off before I shower...not because she "love me" but she's scared...just an analogy

 

[VIBE]

Sooooo they get to go to heaven without putting in anywork??? Maybe committed the most heinous crimes....but because you tell me about something I have no physical proof of...I go to hell for not believing? To me I said many times "God show me some type of proof like he did with the bible characters....and until then Im not believing in it ....soooo since I asked for a sign and he shows none,can I be punished for that

According to the bible, if you don't believe you go to hell. Thing is there's two sides to it though. One is knowing and not believing. If you know, you see. Two is you have no idea at all that God exists as told in the bible, you have no idea about Jesus and him dying for sins, that isn't a trip to hell. That is being "blind". There's a parable on that in the bible, a very good one too. Basically if you have no knowledge of the bible, God, Jesus, dead for sins etc then you're not held responsible for your "sins" because you never knew they were sins anyways.

 

[VIBE]

another question....Being saved consist of worshipping God in spirit and "truth" loving him and accepting his son as your savior Right??? God knows your heart right???

Sooooo How many people actually going to heaven....most people don't get saved because they "Truly Love" God.....but many times they get saved after hearing about Hell. MOst people at the church and church convention talks about burning forever causing people to get scared and repent.....Thats Not True Love for God thats called lying to him saying I love u but honestly you using him ...."which he already know u using him and lying" according to his all knowledge of everything

How many people are actually going to heaven? Considering it's all real, not many at all. Out of 100% of the "Christian" population I'd say probably less than 30% of them would make it to heaven. IF that. They don't follow the Commandments. They pick and choose what can fit their lives or just what has been "passed on" as true. If they did research on their own bible they'd see they've been doing wrong all this time.

 

[Skeratch]

it doesn't. Hell is not infinite. Hell is not even a place. It is a condition of life.

I feel that. We have hell right here on earth.

According to the bible, if you don't believe you go to hell. Thing is there's two sides to it though. One is knowing and not believing. If you know, you see. Two is you have no idea at all that God exists as told in the bible, you have no idea about Jesus and him dying for sins, that isn't a trip to hell. That is being "blind". There's a parable on that in the bible, a very good one too. Basically if you have no knowledge of the bible, God, Jesus, dead for sins etc then you're not held responsible for your "sins" because you never knew they were sins anyways.

So, wouldn't it be better to leave everyone ignorant so that everyone goes to heaven?

Out of 100% of the "Christian" population I'd say probably less than 30% of them would make it to heaven. IF that.

So, out of 2 billion current "Christians" only 600 million are going to heaven?

6 billion people are going to hell? That's messed up.

 

[VIBE]

I feel that. We have hell right here on earth.

So, wouldn't it be better to leave everyone ignorant so that everyone goes to heaven?

So, out of 2 billion current "Christians" only 600 million are going to heaven?

6 billion people are going to hell? That's messed up.

I'd say more going to hell and less going to heaven.

Shit is too hard and many many many "scc" don't follow the bible like it should be followed. But let's just take that 6 billion going to hell as real, so what? Ain't God's fault.

 

[Rock_Well]

my take on the issue raised in the O/P

how does it make sense to have infinite punishment for finite crimes?

That's not the case.

If it were, then all of mankind fate would be sealed eternally the moment they committed any one crime for the first time. And there would forever be no solution thereafter. God has offered all of mankind one guaranteed solution though.

if a soul ends up in eternal torments, it's not to the end of committing finite crimes. What happened was, they chose to go down a road that ultimately leads to spending an eternity with no solutions.

What I mean is, even if a man were immoral his entire life and committed hundreds of thousands of unspeakable acts doesn't there have to be a limit to his punishment?

why should there be? notice how you completely left out the part where such a person was first offered the gift of eternal paradise and had several chances to accept the gift but still ultimately chose to refuse it.

If hell is the answer to those who don't accept a certain belief system, shouldn't the punishment for this "obstinance" have finite limits? After all, the sins and crimes have been committed in finite ways. What's the justification for infinite punishment for finite crimes?

The idea of infinite punishment for finite crimes is a fallacy, so that's really where the argument ends.

 

[kingblaze84]

So according to the Bible, God is going to send most of his children to hell, just because most people were RAISED to believe in a different religion.

If this Jesus guy was so divine and so loving, why doesn't he come back to Earth and preach his word all over again? Instead of 1.5 billion Christians, there might be 4 billion Christians this time.

If the Biblical God was as loving as he says he is, he would have come back to Earth again and preach his word, instead of making us rely on perverted priests and gay preachers like Eddie Long.

I think the Bible is full of shit until that happens.

 

[Skeratch]

But let's just take that 6 billion going to hell as real, so what? Ain't God's fault.

Ten per cent going to heaven and ninety per cent going to hell. Sounds like Satan won.

That's not the case.

Hell is eternal punishment, eternal punishment for what? According to Christian theology, Jesus paid the full price of all humanity's sins on the cross. Those who don't believe the story go to hell and are punished for all of their sins in addition to not believing the story of Jesus' redemption. So how does it make sense for infinite punishment for finite sins and for a finite decision?

As I stated in the original post: "If hell is the answer to those who don't accept a certain belief system, shouldn't the punishment for this "obstinance" have finite limits?"

Look at it this way, should a person be punished for an infinite amount of time for one wrong decision? How does that even make sense?

A choice is a finite thing, no exceptions.

 

[Rock_Well]

Ten per cent going to heaven and ninety per cent going to hell. Sounds like Satan won.

The ninety percent going to hell included NONE of God's people. The few 10 percent going to heaven included ALL of God's people, whatever few there were. So, no. Satan and his followers still lost, miserably. And that's exactly what's supposed to happen. You are talking about waging war against the one Almighty Creator of all people. And you really proposing that the sheer greater number of recruits is what determines the outcome of a war waged against such a being? The greater number doesn't determine anything in such a war.

Hell is eternal punishment, eternal punishment for what? According to Christian theology, Jesus paid the full price of all humanity's sins on the cross. Those who don't believe the story go to hell and are punished for all of their sins in addition to not believing the story of Jesus' redemption. So how does it make sense for infinite punishment for finite sins and for a finite decision?

It seems you believe such is the case and if so, you looking at the whole thing backwards. Thus, it's no surprise it doesn't make sense to you.

A choice is a finite thing, no exceptions.

Some choices have permanent consequences. That's just reality.

 

[The True Flesh]

Where do all these non believers get their concept of hell anyway ?

I see another long useless thread once again, all these wanna be know it alls pontificating discussing something biblical in nature without anybody using or citing the Bible.......SMH

After all this IS where all this hell stuff comes from, correct ?

Sooooooo howz about some biblical insight finally, 'cuase theres some moronic things being said in this thread.

First off The True and Living God.......The God of The Bible, TRANSCENDS SPACE AND TIME !!!!!

Eterity and infinity are still units of LINEAR TIME !!!!!

WHY IS THIS SO HARD FOR YOU DOLTS TO UNDERSTAND ???????

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Revelation 20:13

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Revelation 20:14

Eventually "death" itself will be put to death and "hell" along with it.

Once God removes these earthly boundaries of space and LINEAR time terms such as "eternity" and "infinity" will no longer have any more relevance than minutes or hours.

So all of you retards whing about how unfair it is and how a finite descision can have infinite consequences.......YOU SOUND LIKE SOME LITTLE GIRLS !!!

If you were to ever read the Bible with any degree of understandind (which you probably never will)

you wouldn't need to have simple minded exchanges like this.

.......all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. Revelation 2:23

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Revelation 20:12

behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. Revelation 22:12

Do you see a pattern here? everybody will be judged ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU HAVE COMING TO YOU!!!!! nothing unjust or unfair just reaping what you sow, that's it !!!

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. Luke 6:36-38

It's that simple. If you still don't understand it, fall back into your own ignorance.

And everybody talking about "what of those who never heard of God, or seen a Bible or been taught The Gospel of Christ?"

What about them? everybody has a God consciousness whether you want to acknowledge it or not. why do you think so many so-called non believers flock to these kinds of discussions everyday.......even moreso than the believers SMH. It doesn't matter where you were born, what you've been taught to believe or none of that earthly physical stuff.........get over yourselves for just a minute and realize

THERE'S ONLY ONE TRUTH !!!!!!!

Yeshua (Jesus) said:

........ Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. John 18:37

Any body wants some real answers according to the Bible.....get at me.

unless the blind just like being led by the blind.

PEACE

 

[Skeratch]

The ninety percent going to hell included NONE of God's people. The few 10 percent going to heaven included ALL of God's people, whatever few there were. So, no. Satan and his followers still lost, miserably. And that's exactly what's supposed to happen. You are talking about waging war against the one Almighty Creator of all people. And you really proposing that the sheer greater number of recruits is what determines the outcome of a war waged against such a being? The greater number doesn't determine anything in such a war.

They are God's people, he created them.
If God created everyone and Satan's plan is to disrupt and corrupt God's creation as much as possible and Satan manages to corrupt ninety per cent of humanity, then I think it's safe to say that that is a sad defeat for God.

It seems you believe such is the case and if so, you looking at the whole thing backwards. Thus, it's no surprise it doesn't make sense to you.

You're the one looking at this backwards, calling a redemption of only ten per cent of humanity some kind of victory.

If ninety per cent of the human race were wiped out this very minute, you would call that a tragedy and so would any sane human being. But ninety per cent of humanity is supposedly going to hell and that's a victory?

Some choices have permanent consequences. That's just reality.

Well, yes, some choices do have permanent consequences. But should making one finite choice of belief in this short lifespan that we are given result in an infinite span of punishment for our finite sins?

A genocidaire finds God ten seconds before death and believes and goes to heaven. Ten of his victims are Twa tribesmen who practiced pantheism and barely even heard of Christianity and they go to hell. Justice? I don't think so.

I don't think you quite comprehend how long an infinity is.