Hell: The Devil's Domain

[ThaChozenWun]

Alright I watched all the videos except the 10th. Don't really make me feel anything. I guess for someone who believes in the bible itself or just parts of the bible it could have a strong effect on people but to me its like watchin a sci fi movie with terrible actors. Again though probably because I accept that hell doesnt exist to me, can't wait to see what others think though.

 

[VIBE]

Well, the way I grew up as a Christian was believing what they talked about so it's like, really? Damn! lol

And no one wants to watch the videos?? Come on...

 

[TheCATthatdidntDIE]

saw the first one...no comment yet. ill get back to you on the rest

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Well, the way I grew up as a Christian was believing what they talked about so it's like, really? Damn! lol

And no one wants to watch the videos?? Come on...

Yea I know where your comin from, if I seen these like 5 years ago they would have freaked me out but like I said Im 100% sure now in my mind hell is a lie.

 

[TheCATthatdidntDIE]

Yea I know where your comin from, if I seen these like 5 years ago they would have freaked me out but like I said Im 100% sure now in my mind hell is a lie.

a friend of mine had this theory that i have adopted. he says that hell is just a place where the evil go, and they are allowed to do whatever they want. so naturally they make it hell. same with heaven. it enforces the idea that "all of hell is other people"

 

[VIBE]

a friend of mine had this theory that i have adopted. he says that hell is just a place where the evil go, and they are allowed to do whatever they want. so naturally they make it hell. same with heaven. it enforces the idea that "all of hell is other people"

Pretty much hell = a separation from God. (which I already knew)

That's explained in the video, not sure what part # but it's there.

 

[SoulRattler of Venom]

I'll watch the videos later, but I'm working on a better understanding and perspective of Hell. Now of course there is the extreme exaggeration of Sheol, a literal ancient junkyard where people threw garbage and bodies of criminals and other disgraced animals. But taking into consideration the more realistic interpretations of Lucifer(ianism), Satan(ism), and illumination... here it goes:

When ancient texts speak of important individuals, they usually say things like they're illuminated, enlightened, shining, or bright. Philosopher Thomas Hobbs actually wrote about how fire is life and heat is an indicator of life. We mammals are warm-blooded creatures after all, modern technology is powered by fire, electricity, etc. right? Well there is the Abrahamic belief that Hell is a place of fire. Clearly, if we were to die and our souls travel elsewhere, be it Heaven, Hell or otherwise, that would mean that we would still continue to exist regardless. I'm thinking that if people are to continue demonizing free thinkers, people that refuse to go along with the illogical structure of Christianity, then is Hell really a "bad" place to be? The absence of heat is death.

Yall see what I'm getting at?

 

[TheCATthatdidntDIE]

Pretty much hell = a separation from God. (which I already knew)

That's explained in the video, not sure what part # but it's there.

an interesting way of looking at things. but i reject the idea of god and satan. i was talking about hells outside of rulers.

 

[TheCATthatdidntDIE]

but you are right. i will watch the video an discuss the christian hell

 

[SoulRattler of Venom]

a friend of mine had this theory that i have adopted. he says that hell is just a place where the evil go, and they are allowed to do whatever they want. so naturally they make it hell. same with heaven. it enforces the idea that "all of hell is other people"

Funny thing is, they say that people in hell are tormented.

There is an idea that heaven is not a location, but a state of mind. What if hell is a state of mind as well? What if hell is a place that, while not always peaceful, a state of mind for people that are enlightened? Think about your everyday life, when you see and hear people living their lives in ignorance. There are ignorant people in positions of power and even ignorant people who are kept enslaved... and then you as an enlighted individual are put the uncomfortable position where you want to share your light with others but you can't because they've closed themselves off to knowledge.

Or maybe it's just as simple as knowing something so big it's powerful or painful. Like a little kid that finds out his parents lied about Santa Claus. I'm kinda shooting in the dark here.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Funny thing is, they say that people in hell are tormented.

There is an idea that heaven is not a location, but a state of mind. What if hell is a state of mind as well? What if hell is a place that, while not always peaceful, a state of mind for people that are enlightened? Think about your everyday life, when you see and hear people living their lives in ignorance. There are ignorant people in positions of power and even ignorant people who are kept enslaved... and then you as an enlighted individual are put the uncomfortable position where you want to share your light with others but you can't because they've closed themselves off to knowledge.

Or maybe it's just as simple as knowing something so big it's powerful or painful. Like a little kid that finds out his parents lied about Santa Claus. I'm kinda shooting in the dark here.

What I think the bible or anything mentioning a heaven or hell stands for is the state of mind your concious rest in when you die. They say if you do good in life, are able to forgive, and tell the truth you go to heaven. If you lie, fail to forgive, or live with envy, greed, and hate you go to hell.

Well if you follow the good things you die happy, no second guesses, and you have a clear concious, thus once you die, you die in a state of peace. You cant mess that up no longer so in essence you are forever in a state of peace AKA Heaven.

Now if you die while having a guilty concious or angry, envious, whatever that doesnt let you place your mind at ease, you die with a tormented mind. When you die you take that to the grave with you, death is forever, therefore you die while in a place of torment and pain AKA Hell.

 

[VIBE]

Doesn't the book of Enoch explain heaven and hell? It doesn't explain hell as a place of fire and shit though, it explains it differently if I can remember correctly.

 

[TheCATthatdidntDIE]

Funny thing is, they say that people in hell are tormented.

There is an idea that heaven is not a location, but a state of mind. What if hell is a state of mind as well? What if hell is a place that, while not always peaceful, a state of mind for people that are enlightened? Think about your everyday life, when you see and hear people living their lives in ignorance. There are ignorant people in positions of power and even ignorant people who are kept enslaved... and then you as an enlighted individual are put the uncomfortable position where you want to share your light with others but you can't because they've closed themselves off to knowledge.

Or maybe it's just as simple as knowing something so big it's powerful or painful. Like a little kid that finds out his parents lied about Santa Claus. I'm kinda shooting in the dark here.

it sounds reasonable. but im not sure if i see hell as a place or a state of mind or some interesting combination of both. the idea of afterlife is tricky. we as humans cant contemplate the idea of no longer existing in anyway. and if we cant contemplate it, then we cant prove its wrong, or right. its a tricky dilemna fearing death.

 

[TheCATthatdidntDIE]

Doesn't the book of Enoch explain heaven and hell? It doesn't explain hell as a place of fire and shit though, it explains it differently if I can remember correctly.

i cant remember much about Enoch... but if i get my hands on a bible, ill look it up. i dont believe the bible was written by god. and if god had anything to do with it, it was still written by humans who interperetted what god was saying. so the bible isnt that reliable. the message got across to most, but...

 

[SoulRattler of Venom]

What I think the bible or anything mentioning a heaven or hell stands for is the state of mind your concious rest in when you die. They say if you do good in life, are able to forgive, and tell the truth you go to heaven. If you lie, fail to forgive, or live with envy, greed, and hate you go to hell.

Well if you follow the good things you die happy, no second guesses, and you have a clear concious, thus once you die, you die in a state of peace. You cant mess that up no longer so in essence you are forever in a state of peace AKA Heaven.

Now if you die while having a guilty concious or angry, envious, whatever that doesnt let you place your mind at ease, you die with a tormented mind. When you die you take that to the grave with you, death is forever, therefore you die while in a place of torment and pain AKA Hell.

But there is truth even in lying, greed, envy, etc. People do things for their own gratification. They steal to support themselves or others, they lie to protect themselves or others, they lust for the things that their inner-mosts self desire. The only way they can be tormented is if they don't accept that part of themselves. We have "good" and "evil" aspects of ourselves. To deny the darker parts of ourselves is to deny our true identity.

 

[SoulRattler of Venom]

it sounds reasonable. but im not sure if i see hell as a place or a state of mind or some interesting combination of both. the idea of afterlife is tricky. we as humans cant contemplate the idea of no longer existing in anyway. and if we cant contemplate it, then we cant prove its wrong, or right. its a tricky dilemna fearing death.

This is the secret to the afterlife, and... maybe I shouldn't drop it out in the open like this.... as a matter of fact, I'll send it to you in a PM.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

But there is truth even in lying, greed, envy, etc. People do things for their own gratification. They steal to support themselves or others, they lie to protect themselves or others, they lust for the things that their inner-mosts self desire. The only way they can be tormented is if they don't accept that part of themselves. We have "good" and "evil" aspects of ourselves. To deny the darker parts of ourselves is to deny our true identity.

But if you look at alot of people who die, those who have done things considered wrong in life by most they end up regretting it later and set out to change it before they die, they write a letter confessing all their wrong doings to set their mind free, they admit certain things on their death bed etc... when you are about to go you can sense it.

Now even if someone does think all of their doings were okay and fine, then they would still die in a place of solitude because they would die happy. The majority that do commit very bad acts usually end up regretting them and coming clean in the long run.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Doesn't the book of Enoch explain heaven and hell? It doesn't explain hell as a place of fire and shit though, it explains it differently if I can remember correctly.

Enoch also clearly explained UFO's and Intelligent beings coming to Earth also. While mostly everyone else talks of angels being spirits or having wings or coming in some sort of wheeled machine, Enoch acually describes a flying saucer like object and going off with people who taught him to read and write. And yes he does say things that clearly are different from those posted in the biblical sense of everything. Either Enoch could explain these things best because he was the first and was taught perfection in the art of writing and reading, or because he made a bunch of shit up, I think the 1st is what I will go with.

 

[SoulRattler of Venom]

But if you look at alot of people who die, those who have done things considered wrong in life by most they end up regretting it later and set out to change it before they die, they write a letter confessing all their wrong doings to set their mind free, they admit certain things on their death bed etc... when you are about to go you can sense it.

Now even if someone does think all of their doings were okay and fine, then they would still die in a place of solitude because they would die happy. The majority that do commit very bad acts usually end up regretting them and coming clean in the long run.

Well what is sin? Doing what is contrary to your personal standards and beliefs. If they choose to hate that darker part of themselves, they're tormenting themselves on Earth.

Now even if someone does think all of their doings were okay and fine, then they would still die in a place of solitude because they would die happy.

I agree. So what... do they go to heaven just because they for example raped a baby and threw it off a cliff but were perfectly fine with doing such a thing?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Well what is sin? Doing what is contrary to your personal standards and beliefs. If they choose to hate that darker part of themselves, they're tormenting themselves on Earth.

Sin to me is doing something that you feel or know is wrong. An example is some believe that not believing in a biblical god is a sin, whereas I dont think it is.

Life is hell to most people, thats why death is looked at by so many cultures as a great thing rather than a horrible thing.

And thats the point in most people coming clean, they know they've tormented selves their entire life, when they feel the burden is to much or that they are going to die, they come clean because they want to start living or die in a peaceful state of mind.

I agree. So what... do they go to heaven just because they for example raped a baby and threw it off a cliff but were perfectly fine with doing such a thing?

I think you misunderstood what I ment, there is no place called heaven or hell. When you die thats it, your mind shuts off and your gone. My thing with heaven or hell is your eternal resting place of your mind.

If you die with no guilt in your mind, once your dead thats your concious for eternity, if you die happy you will remain happy because there is nowhere afterwards to change that.

And as for someone who can do that and not think clearly enough to know its wrong, then yes they would die in a heaven like mind, on the flip though, someone who can do that may already have a troubled mind that is tortured so badly that these acts have no effect.

Again I dont think heaven or hell is somewhere you go just the final state of mind you die with, thus rendering it incapable to change after death, therefore it being an eternal resting place.