Have y'all seen Questlove's piece on how Hip-Hop Failed Black America?

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This doesn’t happen with other genres. There’s no folk-music food or New Wave fashion, once you get past food for thought and skinny ties. There’s no junkanoo architecture. The closest thing to a musical style that does double-duty as an overarching aesthetic is punk, and that doesn’t have the same strict racial coding. On the one hand, you can point to this as proof of hip-hop’s success. The concept travels. But where has it traveled? The danger is that it has drifted into oblivion. The music originally evolved to paint portraits of real people and handle real problems at close range — social contract, anyone? — but these days, hip-hop mainly rearranges symbolic freight on the black starliner. Containers on the container ship are taken from here to there — and never mind the fact that they may be empty containers. Keep on pushin’ and all that, but what are you pushing against? As it has become the field rather than the object, hip-hop has lost some of its pertinent sting. And then there’s the question of where hip-hop has arrived commercially, or how fast it’s departing. The music industry in general is sliding, and hip-hop is sliding maybe faster than that. The largest earners earn large, but not at the rate they once did. And everyone beneath that upper level is fading fast.

The other day, we ran into an old man who is also an old fan. He loves the Roots and what we do. Someone mentioned the changing nature of the pop-culture game, and it made him nostalgic for the soul music of his youth. “It’ll be back,” he said. “Things go in cycles.” But do they? If you really track the ways that music has changed over the past 200 years, the only thing that goes in cycles is old men talking about how things go in cycles. History is more interested in getting its nut off. There are patterns, of course, boom and bust and ways in which certain resources are exhausted. There are foundational truths that are stitched into the human DNA. But the art forms used to express those truths change without recurring. They go away and don’t come back. When hip-hop doesn’t occupy an interesting place on the pop-culture terrain, when it is much of the terrain and loses interest even in itself, then what?

Back to John Bradford for a moment: I’m lucky to be here. That goes without saying, but I’ll say it. Still, as the Roots round into our third decade, we shoulder a strange burden, which is that people expect us to be both meaningful and popular. We expect that. But those things don’t necessarily work together, especially in the hip-hop world of today. The winners, the top dogs, make art mostly about their own victories and the victory of their genre, but that triumphalist pose leaves little room for anything else. Meaninglessness takes hold because meaninglessness is addictive. People who want to challenge this theory point to Kendrick Lamar, and the way that his music, at least so far, has some sense of the social contract, some sense of character. But is he just the exception that proves the rule? Time will tell. Time is always telling. Time never stops telling.
http://www.vulture.com/2014/04/questlove-on-how-hip-hop-failed-black-america.html
 
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Once hip-hop culture is ubiquitous, it is also invisible. Once it’s everywhere, it is nowhere. What once offered resistance to mainstream culture is now an integral part of the sullen dominant.

...people expect us to be both meaningful and popular. We expect that. But those things don’t necessarily work together, especially in the hip-hop world of today.

Hip-hop's resistance to mainstream culture is exactly what attracted more listeners and crossed racial/class boundaries. But the bigger a movement becomes the easier it is to stray from it's purity, as with any movement.

Thing is, this doesn't only happen with hip-hop and black people. It happens with anything that mainstream society catches on to. From his point of view and by knowing the type of artist he is, hip-hop means more to him than some of these material artists that lack substance and depth. The reason why meaningless records are most popular vary.

He's saying a lot but its nothing we haven't heard already.
 
In essence hip hop no longer is the music of poor black ppl. It is an avenue for the world to share in but at the same time miss out on it's rebel for a reason antics. The social issues it touch and truths it told in infancy are now replaced by materialism, degradation, and me me me thinking in it's young adult years. So for him who seen it at it's original struggling for acceptance and to watch it become accepted, but remolded and transform is a win/lose for him, a catch-22 if you will. I believe that's what he's trying to say.
 
He seems at a loss... this can only get more interesting as it goes... No bitterness just, I can't quite think of the appropriate word to fit his mood in regards to hip hop the music.
 
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Go figure;6979470 said:
Once hip-hop culture is ubiquitous, it is also invisible. Once it’s everywhere, it is nowhere. What once offered resistance to mainstream culture is now an integral part of the sullen dominant.

...people expect us to be both meaningful and popular. We expect that. But those things don’t necessarily work together, especially in the hip-hop world of today.

Hip-hop's resistance to mainstream culture is exactly what attracted more listeners and crossed racial/class boundaries. But the bigger a movement becomes the easier it is to stray from it's purity, as with any movement.

Thing is, this doesn't only happen with hip-hop and black people. It happens with anything that mainstream society catches on to. From his point of view and by knowing the type of artist he is, hip-hop means more to him than some of these material artists that lack substance and depth. The reason why meaningless records are most popular vary.

He's saying a lot but its nothing we haven't heard already.

This judgment seems too soon for me. There are five more essays to follow. So hold on.

Besides, your summary misses one of his points, which is that once all of black music becomes somehow associated with hip hop, that makes it easier for opponents of any kind of music-based black movement to surpress it. I don't think I have heard that before.
 
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A Talented One;6980670 said:
Go figure;6979470 said:
Once hip-hop culture is ubiquitous, it is also invisible. Once it’s everywhere, it is nowhere. What once offered resistance to mainstream culture is now an integral part of the sullen dominant.

...people expect us to be both meaningful and popular. We expect that. But those things don’t necessarily work together, especially in the hip-hop world of today.

Hip-hop's resistance to mainstream culture is exactly what attracted more listeners and crossed racial/class boundaries. But the bigger a movement becomes the easier it is to stray from it's purity, as with any movement.

Thing is, this doesn't only happen with hip-hop and black people. It happens with anything that mainstream society catches on to. From his point of view and by knowing the type of artist he is, hip-hop means more to him than some of these material artists that lack substance and depth. The reason why meaningless records are most popular vary.

He's saying a lot but its nothing we haven't heard already.

This judgment seems too soon for me. There are five more essays to follow. So hold on.

Besides, your summary misses one of his points, which is that once all of black music becomes somehow associated with hip hop, that makes it easier for opponents of any kind of music-based black movement to surpress it. I don't think I have heard that before.

Yea theres more to come and ill be checking for each one it was well-written and worth the read but that's my assessment thus far.

As for the point I missed I guess I didn't take it that serious. Jay and B work together so much bc they know it'll sell plus they're married so they get rich together. Imagine if they toured together. Can't see how someone above them would use that to weaken hip-hop.

As for Rihanna she got bigger the more she gravitated toward that hip hop sound. Funny thing is when she was making tracks like Disturbia she got no play on hip-hop stations in Chicago at least. Artists will give the people what sells. Doubt she was forced.

Sure these are ideas hes pitching, but he pitched that point as a "conspiracy paranoia" as if he's not making a hard case for it just pondering the possibility.

But we'll see what else he has to say.
 

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