"Grown" Hip-Hop: a rising sub-genre of Rap?

[SneakDZA]

i think "young" hip-hop is the rising subgenre. hip-hop was always made primarily by the youth but always with a sense of maturity about it; it's not until recent times that these yung and dumb rappers came to the forefront.

 

[Swiffness!]

It just needs a consistent platform to showcase the artists and the music. Maybe these r&b stations can incorporate it into their rotation.

3rd post in and we already talkin commercial success? Thats the problem. It dont need no platform, it dont need radio, it doesnt need flashing lights to tell us 'hey this is grown music!' lol They make the music, you support, and they tour.

If you wanna catch Phonte on tour you just have to proactively google him. No one will tell you about it.

Same for a tour/mixtape/album from Monche, Mos Def, AZ, Lecrae, etc, etc

Thats the eb n flow. If we want grown music in a kid environment, we have to consume it as grown folk, meaning you search and look rather than eating whatever the radio or masses feeds us. Then we spend that grown man discretionary income to see them in concert.

i can't co-sign this hard enough. this is why i can't stand the "ain't no good rap music no more" niggas........get off your ass and go find all that dope music floating out there

 

[Ear2DaSt]

certain rappers get a G pass

 

[5 Grand]

One thing you gotta realize is that a lot of older rappers from the 80s and 90s don't own their royalties anymore.

They may have started off with their publishing but sold it over the years. I know Biggie sold his publishing for Life After Death before it was released so he wouldn't have seen a dime from it.

My point is that a lot of the rappers that I grew up on in the 80s and 90s don't/aren't making new albums because they don't make any money.

Whenever you see an artist go 5-10 years without making an album you can bet he sold his publishing rights and royalties. Thats why he stopped making music.

But yeah, back on topic; I think God's Son was one of the first "grown" albums that I can remember. It came out when I was 30 and I was totally feeling what he was rapping about on that album. I remember the younger heads didn't get it and called it "wack".

The question remains; Are we talking about,

1. Somebody releasing their debut album at 40 years old?

2. Somebody that released their debut album 20 years ago who's 40 years old now?

Because the people in #2 probably signed over their royalties a long time ago for a cash advance and won't make any money from a 5 mic, multi platinum album.

 

[Ear2DaSt]

doesn't matter if it's a good rapper

some people don't like Nas style period

if you like a rapper you'll like their "Grown" mature subject matter

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

Nah, rap music started off grown via all of the 80s legends. It's just when the commercialism started taking over, it became fast food and a mockery. What we need to do is, separate commercial rap from real rap.

Commercial rap should get judged on units moved and chart positions, since that's what they're striving for, and real rap should get judged on quality sound, content, longevity etc.

 

[Ear2DaSt]

Nah, rap music started off grown via all of the 80s legends. It's just when the commercialism started taking over, it became fast food and a mockery. What we need to do is, separate commercial rap from real rap.

Commercial rap should get judged on units moved and chart positions, since that's what they're striving for, and real rap should get judged on quality sound, content, longevity etc.

finally someone makes sense

 

[Ear2DaSt]

Nah, rap music started off grown via all of the 80s legends. It's just when the commercialism started taking over, it became fast food and a mockery. What we need to do is, separate commercial rap from real rap.

Commercial rap should get judged on units moved and chart positions, since that's what they're striving for, and real rap should get judged on quality sound, content, longevity etc.

but in that process some real rap artist will come up

 

[PurelyDef]

I just dont want to see 60 year old rappers talking about their bad bitches, drug deals, and how they party

 

[natural born sinners]

Theres def room for grown rap..bc the fans are getting older and coming to grasp w reality and seeing what really is important in life besides bitches,cars n props from their peers.. dudes just wanna make sure the rent/mortgage is paid n kids is fed.

good thread btw

 

[S2J]

Theres def room for grown rap..bc the fans are getting older and coming to grasp w reality and seeing what really is important in life besides bitches,cars n props from their peers.. dudes just wanna make sure the rent/mortgage is paid n kids is fed.

good thread btw

I hear you but...just as an example, Phonte came out with Foreign Exchange Connected in 2004. I rocked out ot that and I was 21. Hell, he himself was only 25.

I feel the thread but...i mean where yall been at.

 

[Stiff]

I read an article(and there was a thread about it on here if I'm not mistaken) that said that the "classic hip-hop" radio format was growing. Here in atlanta 2 classic hip hop stations were started within a month from each other. So yeah, it's starting to thrive.

If Classic Hip Hop stations do it the same way Classic R&B stations do, then older artists will have an outlet for their newer music as well.

 

[Stiff]

I read an article(and there was a thread about it on here if I'm not mistaken) that said that the "classic hip-hop" radio format was growing. Here in atlanta 2 classic hip hop stations were started within a month from each other. So yeah, it's starting to thrive.

If Classic Hip Hop stations do it the same way Classic R&B stations do, then older artists will have an outlet for their newer music as well.

hampton roads recently got our own classic/throwback hip-hop & r&b station that Missy endorses and its pretty much the only station i listen to now.

Yea it's crazy they're popping up suddenly all over..they play great music tho.

 

[5 Grand]

Ya'll gotta remember that there's a whole generation that grew up on rap before the current generation was born.

In Philadelphia they're always advertising a show with an all-old school line up. There's a show coming up in a couple of weeks where Dougie Fresh is going to be the host.

There's cats my age and older that listen to rap all day long but might not listen to anything that came out within the last 10 years, but they still listen to rap all day.

The timeline of rap music isn't linear. Hell I just copped TI's Trap Musik and Lil Wayne's Carter 2 albums within the past month. But before you say I'm late, I'm sure there's albums that came out in the 80s that ya'll haven't heard yet. That's why I say rap/Hip Hop isn't linear.

 

[Meta_Conscious]

Ya'll gotta remember that there's a whole generation that grew up on rap before the current generation was born.

In Philadelphia they're always advertising a show with an all-old school line up. There's a show coming up in a couple of weeks where Dougie Fresh is going to be the host.

There's cats my age and older that listen to rap all day long but might not listen to anything that came out within the last 10 years, but they still listen to rap all day.

The timeline of rap music isn't linear. Hell I just copped TI's Trap Musik and Lil Wayne's Carter 2 albums within the past month. But before you say I'm late, I'm sure there's albums that came out in the 80s that ya'll haven't heard yet. That's why I say rap/Hip Hop isn't linear.

how was this relevant?

 

[Ear2DaSt]

if you worry about rappers age all the time you won't enjoy the music as much

 

[conspiracycarl]

OK. As some of us on this board has crossed the 30+ plateau, we start to want more from the artists we grew up with.

Some artists have been able to transition their art to a more mature, grown-up style while still keeping their lyrical edge. Nas proved this with the pretty much-classic Life Is Good. Common's been doing this for about three albums now. Phonte's Charity Starts At Home almost deal with this exclusively, from a normal grown-man persepctive, with mortgages, kids, and what most of us "old heads" see every day. Even Wu-Tang's last LP A Better Tomorrow saw them take on rap from the perspective of grown men, no longer trying to keep pace in a young man's arena.

The question for you all is can this actually become a real respectable sub-genre of Rap, where artists no longer have to be ashamed, so to speak, of getting older? Can they use their ages of 30s, 40s, and even into the 50s, to turn it into lyrical wisdom while still staying relevant in today's (and tomorrow's) rap scene, as legendary rock bands have been able to do with Rock?

Thoughts?

that new wu tang sucked.

 

[bkzlostchild]

Just gotta dig for this "grown" music because its out there. Cant just settle with what the radio is feeding us

 

[5 Grand]

Just gotta dig for this "grown" music because its out there. Cant just settle with what the radio is feeding us

But the point is there are radio stations that cater to the older generation. I love the radio stations in Philly. They play a perfect combination of music I like (old school rap, R&B, classic soul)

 

[bkzlostchild]

Just gotta dig for this "grown" music because its out there. Cant just settle with what the radio is feeding us

But the point is there are radio stations that cater to the older generation. I love the radio stations in Philly. They play a perfect combination of music I like (old school rap, R&B, classic soul)

Its over for that. Thats why I stay farrrrr away from the radio bruh