God + Man = Jesus

[toktaylor]

As far as I am concerned, as I was told in churches and what not, God did "magically" impregnate Mary.

God was upset with his angels for having sexual contact with earth women, therefore there was giants. God destroyed them in the flood as well. Being that angels + human = giants, wouldn't God + human = something more bigger? Who knows. I don't remember reading that God had sexual intercourse with Mary, which would totally go against God anyways.

you have to view it in context of the time..it would seem magical to people living in that era, and i stated that there was no intercourse, however i am sure she took nine months to deliver and she did give birth through labour, Jesus did not magically appear big, he had a normal childhood in terms of aging until adulthood. Therefore if all this follow the laws of natural human development, it stands to reason that his conception has some logical explanation as well. His birth was special no doubt about it but i am just saying that Jesus is a separate entity from GOD.

 

[alissowack]

But what is trust? How can we trust? We see that every where trust is very hard to even give.

Even to a bible right now. History has it's records of the bible being played with. Things taken out and put in, who's to say a man didn't just ADD to the bible? No one can say NO THATS NOT POSSIBLE! Too many say God says you can't do that, they take that to mean God prevents that or something. No, in my mind it doesn't. Anything can be twisted in scripture and sound good, because as long as the person doing it is staying on topic, they're good to go.

If you're driving and a hitch hiker has his thumb out, are you stopping? 99% of the time, no you aren't, why? TRUST. You have NO idea what could happen. This person could tell you he's a good guy, but you don't know that. So you're going to put in now blind trust? You also can't have blind trust. How do you know this bible is the right one? Each one says they're right for all these reasons A-Z. Many religions, many bibles, many faiths, many God's, many Son's, many stories. But the one you believe is correct? Of course it is, it's the one you're believe so it has to be. Just like your car is the best, or your whatever is the best. It's something you stand by because it's yours.

Understanding can lead to trust. You can't just make up and say okay I trust you. I mean that's not having a clue as to what's going to happen. What's real, what's not etc.

For someone to have to explain trust says a lot about the state of our trustworthiness. I'm not suggesting that trust is easy, but it is necessary. We can talk about what has been added or subtracted from the Bible, but it doesn't get down to the issue that matters the most...do you trust the people that are making these changes? Chances are you don't and it may be because they've done something to betray your trust. They may have done something to question their integrity which may make you question what they believe. Now you don't have to trust me but if there is any truth to what I am saying about God, then regardless of my good or bad motives for telling you, it come down to whether you trust God.

 

[alissowack]

The way i see it, man has every right. we are all his children right? Imagine you were born not to parents, but to a book that told u what to do (and not even very clearly at that.) And instead of being shown what to do, and told what to do, and how to act and behave in this world, you had to read that dumbass book and figure out how to parent yourself. and then, there were people who, for a fee, would read that book for you claiming it's better for your development.

thats how god is. A parent that ain't there. The bible is full of stories where he interacted with people, yet there is no longer interaction. wonder why...

And should I trust that you are right in this assumption...that the Bible is just a book full of do's and don't's? Maybe so in the megachurches of today...or for that matter any church that adopts this. But we are missing the mark to think that. Even if we don't endorse the idea of God, there is enough in life to say that the do's and don't's don't always play out the way we want it to. Not everyone who does good is rewarded with good. Not everyone who does bad is rewarded with bad. Morality doesn't work all the time.

 

[Israelites]

God became flesh, which was Jesus. Was God a fetus? A baby? A toddler? A child? If so, why are there stories of Jesus as a child being so "bad" and "rotten" ??

Also, why would God send himself as his own son to die (sacrifice himself) for mankind? Not the sin part, but as God. Why not seriously send your own son, no God involved. How does that even work? When Jesus spoke to his disciples and said "I am not good, no one is good but the Father" what the hell is he saying? Why is God denying he is good but saying he is good. Or how does Jesus (who's God) ask God why he has forsook him (Jesus). God forsook himself?

I don't think I ever FULLY grasped the concept of Jesus is God. In what way was Jesus God?

quik answer: In the beginning there was Elohim/GOD (two operating as one), They were both equal in power since they both were spirit beings, they dwell in heaven amongst the holy Angels,

One left his position as GOD & became man, according to the bible they called HIM Jesus BUT HE was sent in the name of the FATHER:"Jesus", he didn't come in HIS hebrew name (whichever one you would like to use) so since HE left his position in the GODhead, that left only the Father in heaven & the holy angels.... as a man Jesus wasn't god, he became the son of man & the son of GOD (UNDERSTAND this, there are 3 sets of sons of GOD according to the bible , 1)the men in the flesh that do the will of the Father, 2)the Holy angels are called sons of GOD 3) Those that will be raised in the ressurection & make it into the Fathers Kingdom are considered sons of GOD)

As a man Jesus was the son of GOD since HE came in the flesh to teach us the will of the Father (LAW, COMMANDMENTS,KEEPING THE SABBATH & THE HOLYDAYS) & how to follow in HIS foot steps (this is a way of life to be Christlike, not like these scc & christiantiy teach everything contrary to what Jesus taught), HE led by example in order for us to become just like HE became (GOD) when he overcame death after HIS ressurrection & ALL power was given to him & HE became GOD THE SON ALONG W/GOD THE FATHER (2), He went back into the 3rd heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father until it's time to make HIS enemies HIS footstool.

John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jesus has many titles & names: one of HIS names is the "word of GOD".., SO WE see in John, in the beginning was the WORD/JESUS & THE WORD/JESUS WAS WITH GOD, (GOD/THE FATHER) & THE WORD/JESUS WAS GOD.... (UNDERSTAND this:Jesus has been the only GOD that the creation has ever dealt with from the beginning (GARDEN OF EVE to the end Armaggedon)..(this is why HIS other name is the ALPHA (BEGINNING) & THE OMEGA (THE END)... no one of flesh & blood has ever dealt w/the Father & won't deal with HIM UNLESS we make it into HIS kingdom which will be in New Jerusalem after the great throne judgement.

John 1:14

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Revelation 1:8

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Also the scc make the angel out to be a "god" but they are not gods, they are ministering spirits/servants to the Father & the Son... satan is servant along w/the 2/3rds of evil angels that followed after him.... the holy angels such as Michael & Gabriel are the Holy angels along w/the other Holy angels that remained in Heaven... this is why Revelation breaks it down, the protocol of the Father, which HE gives the message to the Son, the Son gives the message to the Angel & the angel delivers the message to the children of Israel & in return the Israelites are to deliver the message to the rest of the sons & daughters of Adam...

Revelation 1
1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Once we get understanding of the Word we will see that the LORD is trying to recreate us to become Gods like them...this is why we all have a choice weather to follow the Most High according to His will or continue to live according to the world/religion & their false doctrine.

 

[kids in america_]

God became flesh, which was Jesus. Was God a fetus? A baby? A toddler? A child? If so, why are there stories of Jesus as a child being so "bad" and "rotten" ??

Also, why would God send himself as his own son to die (sacrifice himself) for mankind? Not the sin part, but as God. Why not seriously send your own son, no God involved. How does that even work? When Jesus spoke to his disciples and said "I am not good, no one is good but the Father" what the hell is he saying? Why is God denying he is good but saying he is good. Or how does Jesus (who's God) ask God why he has forsook him (Jesus). God forsook himself?

I don't think I ever FULLY grasped the concept of Jesus is God. In what way was Jesus God?

Jesus was not god just a man. Jesus was often called “the Son of man” in the NT. In Hebrew thought, “the Son of man” meant an ordinary, human being. He was a mortal man.

 

[kids in america_]

quik answer: In the beginning there was Elohim/GOD (two operating as one), They were both equal in power since they both were spirit beings, they dwell in heaven amongst the holy Angels,

One left his position as GOD & became man, according to the bible they called HIM Jesus BUT HE was sent in the name of the FATHER:"Jesus", he didn't come in HIS hebrew name (whichever one you would like to use) so since HE left his position in the GODhead, that left only the Father in heaven & the holy angels.... as a man Jesus wasn't god, he became the son of man & the son of GOD (UNDERSTAND this, there are 3 sets of sons of GOD according to the bible , 1)the men in the flesh that do the will of the Father, 2)the Holy angels are called sons of GOD 3) Those that will be raised in the ressurection & make it into the Fathers Kingdom are considered sons of GOD)

As a man Jesus was the son of GOD since HE came in the flesh to teach us the will of the Father (LAW, COMMANDMENTS,KEEPING THE SABBATH & THE HOLYDAYS) & how to follow in HIS foot steps (this is a way of life to be Christlike, not like these scc & christiantiy teach everything contrary to what Jesus taught), HE led by example in order for us to become just like HE became (GOD) when he overcame death after HIS ressurrection & ALL power was given to him & HE became GOD THE SON ALONG W/GOD THE FATHER (2), He went back into the 3rd heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father until it's time to make HIS enemies HIS footstool.

John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jesus has many titles & names: one of HIS names is the "word of GOD".., SO WE see in John, in the beginning was the WORD/JESUS & THE WORD/JESUS WAS WITH GOD, (GOD/THE FATHER) & THE WORD/JESUS WAS GOD.... (UNDERSTAND this:Jesus has been the only GOD that the creation has ever dealt with from the beginning (GARDEN OF EVE to the end Armaggedon)..(this is why HIS other name is the ALPHA (BEGINNING) & THE OMEGA (THE END)... no one of flesh & blood has ever dealt w/the Father & won't deal with HIM UNLESS we make it into HIS kingdom which will be in New Jerusalem after the great throne judgement.

John 1:14

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Revelation 1:8

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 19:13

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Also the scc make the angel out to be a "god" but they are not gods, they are ministering spirits/servants to the Father & the Son... satan is servant along w/the 2/3rds of evil angels that followed after him.... the holy angels such as Michael & Gabriel are the Holy angels along w/the other Holy angels that remained in Heaven... this is why Revelation breaks it down, the protocol of the Father, which HE gives the message to the Son, the Son gives the message to the Angel & the angel delivers the message to the children of Israel & in return the Israelites are to deliver the message to the rest of the sons & daughters of Adam...

Revelation 1

1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Once we get understanding of the Word we will see that the LORD is trying to recreate us to become Gods like them...this is why we all have a choice weather to follow the Most High according to His will or continue to live according to the world/religion & their false doctrine.

All this complex theology is quite outside the teaching of ‘the bible’. The evidence of Jesus physically preexisting in heaven as a ‘god’ is lacking and in my opinion is purely speculation and misunderstanding of what is written.

 

[Rock_Well]

God became flesh, which was Jesus. Was God a fetus? A baby? A toddler? A child? If so, why are there stories of Jesus as a child being so "bad" and "rotten" ??

Also, why would God send himself as his own son to die (sacrifice himself) for mankind? Not the sin part, but as God. Why not seriously send your own son, no God involved. How does that even work? When Jesus spoke to his disciples and said "I am not good, no one is good but the Father" what the hell is he saying? Why is God denying he is good but saying he is good. Or how does Jesus (who's God) ask God why he has forsook him (Jesus). God forsook himself?

I don't think I ever FULLY grasped the concept of Jesus is God. In what way was Jesus God?

@ the O/P
Looks like you started out with a few misunderstandings.

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are all God - that is to say, they are all Deity - holy...neither born nor created....they are three individual personalities acting/operating in accordance with one will or one mind. The One Mind of God consists of all three beings. And since all three beings are always in perfect agreement, we rightfully might view all three as being One. Even so, it remains each figure in the Godhead have different roles. When talking about something pertaining to the specific role of one of the Godhead figures, we have to break it down a bit further in detail. Each individual in the Godhead has a specific role they assumed towards each other and mankind - Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

"And Jesus said to him, Why call you me good? none is good, save one, that is, God." (Luke 18:19)
"And he said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments."(Matthew 19:17)
"And Jesus said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God."(Mark 10:18)

I don't think i've seen the verse translated the way you quoted in the O/P.....but anyways Jesus saying that no one is good but God is not a statement of denial of Himself not being good. We know that because this view would contradict several other passages. Jesus not making a point concerning the act alone of being called 'good' by the man. No, Jesus point has more to do with the reason behind why the man called Him good -- in other words, the man's faith. A man perceiving the 'God with us' as being nothing more than a mere teacher among many others ought not call him good. Because it's being done from the wrong motivation....even though the act in and of itself is not wrong, having the wrong motivation behind it disqualifies the act itself in God's eyes. That point about faith is consistent with all teaching of faith throughout the whole Bible.

 

[The Jackal]

Si quis non amat

 

[DRO]

the birth of jesus was recorded as a physical act. If god is to interact with a physical being to produce a normal pregancy then this act would have to obey the laws of nature. I am sure the bible did not imply that the birth of jesus was done instanteonously or the wave of a magic wand and 'presto'! Jesus was here. Therfore it is not farfetched to believe that even though there was no intercourse involved, her egg would have to be fertilised by some other means. I.e. Artificial insemination, electrical stimulation or some technological way we are yet to discover.

see thats the thing... Earthly rules of physics dont apply to god..

God can speak stuff into exsistance... Let there be light.. Wahhhlaaa! There you go...

 

[Israelites]

All this complex theology is quite outside the teaching of ‘the bible’. The evidence of Jesus physically preexisting in heaven as a ‘god’ is lacking and in my opinion is purely speculation and misunderstanding of what is written.

it's best you stick with your "opinion", I don't deal w/theory nor opinions when it comes to the scriptures...those w/eyes will see that everything I stated is backed by scripturs & not some man made theory... this is why Jesus had to tell the jews...

John 8:57-58

57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Abraham is spoken of in Genesis the beginning of the book, so even before Abraham was on the scene He/Jesus was already in the Godhead as God. He didn't go by the name Jesus of course, as I stated early, He went by His hebrew name.

ppl love stating their opinion on something being misunderstood when they themselves don't understand it.... keep reading...

 

[universaltruth]

People stay mixing up the Jesus story, smh

 

[alissowack]

it's also a bunch of stuff that god did before and instances where he interacted with his children prior to your birth, as if thats some consolation as to why he chooses to ignore you completely.

Well, for you to think that God is actually ignoring people says you know something the world doesn't; that you know God's Way better than the Almighty Himself. Is He really not saying anything? I believe He is saying a whole lot and no one wants to listen. He is speaking loud and clear through all of the joys and pains in life...especially the pains and we are not content in hearing what God has to say. Something is wrong with the world and there hasn't been anything that man has done to stamp out the problem yet when the Bible says WE are the problem, we think it's some religious powerplay to exploit weak-minded people. We just keep trying to point the finger at something else in hope that there is another answer.

 

[VIBE]

Thanks to all who posted. Very interesting and good to get a better hold on things.

 

[kids in america_]

it's best you stick with your "opinion", I don't deal w/theory nor opinions when it comes to the scriptures...those w/eyes will see that everything I stated is backed by scripturs & not some man made theory... this is why Jesus had to tell the jews...

John 8:57-58
57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Abraham is spoken of in Genesis the beginning of the book, so even before Abraham was on the scene He/Jesus was already in the Godhead as God. He didn't go by the name Jesus of course, as I stated early, He went by His hebrew name.

ppl love stating their opinion on something being misunderstood when they themselves don't understand it.... keep reading...

Actually it is a manmade theory. The whole ideas of a man being a “g-d” himself [i.e. a GODMAN], or having a literal pre-existence are both Greek/ Hellenistic concepts and not Hebrew ones. The proposition that you’re touting that Jesus was preexisting as a second member of the 'godhead' was introduced by the Gentile “Church Fathers”. The “Church Fathers” was steeped in “pagan” (Greek) Philosophy and actually the formulating of the Trinity began with them coming to teach that Jesus literal pre-existed. You really need to read up on Early Church History.

 

[Israelites]

Actually it is a manmade theory. The whole ideas of a man being a “g-d” himself [i.e. a GODMAN], or having a literal pre-existence are both Greek/ Hellenistic concepts and not Hebrew ones. The proposition that you’re touting that Jesus was preexisting as a second member of the 'godhead' was introduced by the Gentile “Church Fathers”. The “Church Fathers” was steeped in “pagan” (Greek) Philosophy and actually the formulating of the Trinity began with them coming to teach that Jesus literal pre-existed. You really need to read up on Early Church History.

I follow what's outlined in the scriptures for the Most High said he will reveal his secerts to his prophets in the Ot, everything prophecied in the OT is confirmed in the Nt, (this is why Jesus stated to "search" the scriptures for they testify of me... (HE'S speaking on the OT, but most churches teach the Ot has been fulfilled in order to keep ppl out of the Ot, satan's only job is to deceive & destroy & he's doing a great job of itl)

I understand the gentiles have twisted the scriptures due to their lack of understanding & have deceived many in the confusion of the Word.... I don't need to read up on the early church because I understand the church is corrupt, this is why no sunday pastor can properly explain anything without interpreting the scriptures or giving their opinions on a matter.... I'lll stick to the line upon line percept upon percept here little & there a little out of the mouths of two or more witnesses approach...Hasn't failed yet.... like I said before, everything I stated can be backed by scriptures kept in it's proper context...what ever opinion you have is fine by me.. Just know if you don't understand something doesn't mean others have that same problem.

Amos 3:7

Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

John 3:12

If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Psalm 111:10

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Psalm 119:104

Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

Proverbs 2:6

For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

Isaiah 28:10 (King James Version)

10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Proverbs 3:5

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

People love to talk that you need to read the hebrew as if they are the Most High themselves as if the creator didn't know what HE was doing when getting HIS word out to other nations that don't speak hebrew.

 

[kids in america_]

I follow what's outlined in the scriptures for the Most High said he will reveal his secerts to his prophets in the Ot, everything prophecied in the OT is confirmed in the Nt, (this is why Jesus stated to "search" the scriptures for they testify of me... (HE'S speaking on the OT, but most churches teach the Ot has been fulfilled in order to keep ppl out of the Ot, satan's only job is to deceive & destroy & he's doing a great job of itl)

I understand the gentiles have twisted the scriptures due to their lack of understanding & have deceived many in the confusion of the Word.... I don't need to read up on the early church because I understand the church is corrupt, this is why no sunday pastor can properly explain anything without interpreting the scriptures or giving their opinions on a matter.... I'lll stick to the line upon line percept upon percept here little & there a little out of the mouths of two or more witnesses approach...Hasn't failed yet.... like I said before, everything I stated can be backed by scriptures kept in it's proper context...what ever opinion you have is fine by me.. Just know if you don't understand something doesn't mean others have that same problem.

Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

John 3:12
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Psalm 111:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Psalm 119:104
Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

Proverbs 2:6
For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

Isaiah 28:10 (King James Version)
10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

People love to talk that you need to read the hebrew as if they are the Most High themselves as if the creator didn't know what HE was doing when getting HIS word out to other nations that don't speak hebrew.

The whole Jesus preexisting idea is just a continuance of the ancient ‘pagan’ idea that the ‘gods’ came to earth. And the Greek Church 'Fathers' adopted such a view and applied it to Jesus. The notion that Jesus physically preexisted came from that corruption.

Ummm… I gotta tell ya, it’s nonsense! From reading and studying 'the bible', I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that Jesus was not a God-man.

 

[PoetLaureate]

People stay mixing up the Jesus story, smh

No doubt!!! It's just regurgitation of earlier rhetoric. Christians only believe in the theory of trinity because Emperor Constantine decided to put it in the bible as law...The Council of Nicea look it up.

 

[jay83]

The problem is Jesus implies he's God, but never says it out right.

Random person- "Jesus, are you God? The creator of the earth??"

Jesus- "I am what I am."

There are some scriptures where you can point out and say "look he is God." And there are other scriptures where you can say "see, he is not God, he is just a man".

Which is the reason why people will argue this to the death.

Its like one group is arguing that a color is white. The other side is arguing that the color is dark. And in reality it's more of a gray color than anything.

 

[VIBE]

So a god bleeds, gets thirsty, sleeps, gets angry, etc...?

God obviously feels emotions; anger, sadness, happiness, grief etc. We see that in the bible. Question is, can he know physical pain? Can he know what it's like to get cut and feel pain? Does he know what it is to feel hungry, to feel thirst? Does he bleed? Like you've asked as well.

There's been NO indication of that. It says that God only knows sin through man, so can he only know pain through man? Can he only know hunger and thirst through man? KNOW, not FEEL, but just know.

The only verse I've seen is that God can do anything, with men it's impossible. Also that God "allowed" himself to become flesh and become vulnerable to the things that are "humanly" felt.

There's so many indicating factors in the bible that show that Jesus is NOT God but then there are some that point to Jesus being God. I've seen many times where Jesus pretty much "works around" the questions. "I AM WHAT I AM" etc.