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bugsy0911;2284547 said:So is incest. Your argument for it being natural is a bit rubbish. It isn't.
Huruma;2284576 said:All human behavior is 'natural' because the brain is a physical entity that's subject to the same physical laws of causality that everything else in the universe is subject to. It's impossible to behave "unnaturally" and even if it weren't, why should we prefer wars, poverty, disease etc. (all 'natural') over vaccinations, antibiotics, modern technology etc. (all 'unnatural')?
If you mean it's 'unnatural' in that it's learned/cultural, you're wrong. Most likely, genetics and prenatal exposure to certain hormones are responsible for homosexuality.
Incestuous couples should also be allowed to marry.
wmj710;2284646 said:I mean if you gay just go be gay and deal with your choice. Dont go making it seem like you need specail rights and laws rewritten just beacause you CHOOSE something out of the norm.
Huruma;2284189 said:And homosexuality is 'natural' and found in almost all animal species.
genocide_cutter;2289153 said:Bullshit......
Huruma;2284096 said:I would like to hear a valid, secular argument against gay marriage. I have never in my life come across one.
Marriage is not a Christian idea, it's found in almost all (if not all) cultures. Even if the 'traditional' definition of Western marriage has always involved a man and a woman, the traditional definition of marriage in most cultures (except maybe for hunter-gatherer cultures), including Western culture, has been an economic exchange between a man and his father in law. Women have traditionally been considered property or at least subservient, the idea of marriage being a union between equals and an expression of romantic love is relatively recent. The traditional definition of 'person' in the United States doesn't (entirely) include Black people and Canada didn't legally regard women as persons until 1929, women have traditionally not held the right to vote, southern states have not traditionally allowed interracial marriages etc. Countless traditions have been discarded when general consensus has come to view those traditions as unethical or irrational. There's nothing sacred about tradition, culture evolves.
I'm not even sure why marriage should be a legal institution to begin with but as long as it remains one, there is no legal or moral justification for denying an entire group of people (homosexuals) the same legal privileges and opportunities that another group (heterosexuals) has. Denying gays the legal right to get married and have the legal privileges that marriage, and not just civil unions, provide is no different than denying people of color/women the right to public facilities, the same education as whites, the right to vote etc.
Simple logic.
jonlakadeadmic;2284142 said:idc just dont be doin anything in public
raevanaa;2284747 said:let them fags get married.
they'll be miserable & get divorced just like the rest of us.
that's more money for the courts, duhhh.
sidenote: dykes be violent tho. like i've seen some lesbians get skulldragged by they bitch. i be like "damn."