George Zimmerman Trial Thread (Found Not Guilty Jesus help us...)

[DOC H0LL!DAY]

Shit I thought about moving to Florida last year too.

Fuck all of that.

Bruh.. That chick in ya avi got my suspect meter at about 95.

 

[Darth Sidious]

^

> 50% chance of herpes.

 

[BIRGGin]

50% chance of catching them, 100% chance she has AIDS.

So what's new with the "movement"? I didn't look today.

 

[fuc_i_look_like]

^^^^^^

where/what is the difference? Both actions are operating from the foundation of reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another, as supported by the law.

retreat would not be the correct term to use when describing either as to retreat means: "to withdraw". Neither of those situations are indicative of retreating. They are only acts that are the result of one who believes they are in fear of their life.

right

their was some sort of argument which lead to a fight, scared because her abusive husband had just threatened to kill her inside her own home, she ran to get her gun that was inside her car.... i don't see how she retreated and even if she did, i thought under florida law she had the right too

and if im not mistaken she said she did intend to get into her car and leave but the garage door wouldn't open or that she forgot her keys...

smh

guess it would have been better if she ran into the kitchen and grabbed a knife and stabbed him to death

right. she did not retreat. she was acting on her fear. plain and simple. I doubt if the outcome would have been any different if she had killed him really. the self defense, stand your ground laws are highly favorable when used by white people and the outcome of the majority of them are in their favor. Statistics prove this. Another interesting fact is that it took the jury only 12minutes to find her guilty and we've been discussing it here much longer than that.

that's one of the main things that trips me out so much: it took this jury only 12 minutes to decide to send this woman to prison for 20 years. shit is fucked up. i'm sure her jury of "peers" was comprised of nothing but whites too.

 

[stringer bell]

 

[Bully_Pulpit]

You niggas still getting trolled by the media in 2013...SMH

 

[1of1]

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[MR.CJ]

charles barkley a coon

 

[joeLiber]

CHARLES BARKLEY: Well, I agreed with the verdict. I feel sorry that young kid got killed. But they didn't have enough evidence to charge him. Something clearly went wrong that night. Clearly something went wrong. I feel bad for anybody who loses a kid, but if you looked at the case and you don't make it -- there was some racial profiling, no question about it. But something happened that changed the dynamic of that night, and I know -- that's probably not a popular opinion among most people but just looking at the evidence I agreed with the verdict.

I just feel bad because I don't like when race gets out in the media because I don't think the media has a pure heart, as I call it. There are very few people have a pure heart when it comes to race. Racism is wrong in any, shape, form -- a lot of black people are racist too. I think sometimes when people talk about racism, they say only white people are racist. There are a lot of black people who are racist. I don't like when it gets out there in the media because I don't think the media has clean hands.

MARIA BARTIROMO, CNBC: I'm glad you made that point.

BARKLEY: Obviously I feel sorry that young kid got killed but just judging by the evidence, I don't think that guy should have went to jail the rest of his life. Something happened bad that night, obviously.

BARTIROMO: I like what the juror said, they both should have walked away. And if there is a shadow of a doubt, there is a shadow of a doubt.

BARKLEY: And let me tell you, Mr. Zimmerman was wrong to pursue -- he was racial profiling. I think Trayvon Martin, God rest his soul, I think he did flip the switch and started beating the hell out of Mr. Zimmerman. But it was just a bad situation. And like I said, the main thing I feel bad for, it gives every black and white person who is racist a platform to vent their ignorance.

That's the thing that bothers me the most because I watched this trial closely and I watch all these people are television talking about it. A lot of people have a hidden agenda. You know, they want their racist views, whether they are white or black --

BARTIROMO: The bias comes out.

BARKLEY: The bias, it definitely comes out. It was a bad situation, we all lost. And I feel bad for his parents. You don't ever want to see anybody lose a kid. (CNBC Closing Bell, July 18, 2013)

 

[sully]

^

> 50% chance of herpes.

Actually, it's 48%

The study finds that women and blacks were most likely to be infected. HSV-2 prevalence was nearly twice as high among women (20.9 percent) than men (11.5 percent), and was more than three times higher among blacks (39.2 percent) than whites (12.3 percent). The most affected group was black women, with a prevalence rate of 48 percent.

Overall, 1 in 6 people in the U.S. have HSV-2 (Genital Herpes Virus)

 

[sully]

50% chance of catching them, 100% chance she has AIDS.

So what's new with the "movement"? I didn't look today.

I don't think you understand what AIDS is.

 

[northside7]

charles barkley a coon

For some time now.

 

[Chef_Taylor]

Thats fuck up @numbaz a nigga cant catch a break in amerikkka

 

[NYETOPn]

You're supposed say, "I know i'm black and I know I fit the profile but my hands are in the air. I'm innocent sah! Please don't shoot! I stay around the corner! I'm really a nice guy!"

you have to explain yourself to some random ass top flight bitch ass mothafucka you don't know because you fit the description. Or, you'll die because they were "scared" and other black ppl broke into houses before.

These dudes' sympathetic divisions of their autonomic nervous systems are in full retard mode, prepared for war 'n' shit when you're just trying to get to point A to point B.

Gotta calm 'em down and reassure 'em that everything will be alright. There, there.

 

[damobb2deep]

CHARLES BARKLEY: Well, I agreed with the verdict. I feel sorry that young kid got killed. But they didn't have enough evidence to charge him. Something clearly went wrong that night. Clearly something went wrong. I feel bad for anybody who loses a kid, but if you looked at the case and you don't make it -- there was some racial profiling, no question about it. But something happened that changed the dynamic of that night, and I know -- that's probably not a popular opinion among most people but just looking at the evidence I agreed with the verdict.

I just feel bad because I don't like when race gets out in the media because I don't think the media has a pure heart, as I call it. There are very few people have a pure heart when it comes to race. Racism is wrong in any, shape, form -- a lot of black people are racist too. I think sometimes when people talk about racism, they say only white people are racist. There are a lot of black people who are racist. I don't like when it gets out there in the media because I don't think the media has clean hands.

MARIA BARTIROMO, CNBC: I'm glad you made that point.

BARKLEY: Obviously I feel sorry that young kid got killed but just judging by the evidence, I don't think that guy should have went to jail the rest of his life. Something happened bad that night, obviously.

BARTIROMO: I like what the juror said, they both should have walked away. And if there is a shadow of a doubt, there is a shadow of a doubt.

BARKLEY: And let me tell you, Mr. Zimmerman was wrong to pursue -- he was racial profiling. I think Trayvon Martin, God rest his soul, I think he did flip the switch and started beating the hell out of Mr. Zimmerman. But it was just a bad situation. And like I said, the main thing I feel bad for, it gives every black and white person who is racist a platform to vent their ignorance.

That's the thing that bothers me the most because I watched this trial closely and I watch all these people are television talking about it. A lot of people have a hidden agenda. You know, they want their racist views, whether they are white or black --

BARTIROMO: The bias comes out.

BARKLEY: The bias, it definitely comes out. It was a bad situation, we all lost. And I feel bad for his parents. You don't ever want to see anybody lose a kid. (CNBC Closing Bell, July 18, 2013)

this is real shyt... thinkin about it objectively he made a lot of good points... I still disagree with the verdict tho..

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Your analogy is missing the fact that the pigeon was following the bird before we stopped observing.

proof

[proof] Show IPA

noun

1.

evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.

We have evidence that he was pursuing Trayvon before the call ended. We know he got out of his car. He started walking, he even says this himself. An altercation happens 40 feet from his car. This clearly demonstrates he was following him. There are no reasonable alternatives to explain these facts.

The alternative is he got out of the car to look at the street sign. That's the alternative. That's what he said, and that is the only other possibility for this particular case. Now let me show you, again, why I ruled out that alternative. I have a part time driving job right now, where I have to remember lots of streets. When I come to street I don't know, I don't park 40 feet away to look at it. I can either drive up close to look at it, or drive up close to it, get out, and then look at it (never done the latter.) If it is dark and I have to find an address and can't see them on houses, I may get out to get a closer look. Zimmerman wasn't looking for an address, he was checking the street sign. This alternative can safely be ruled out. It just does not make as much sense as the other version of the story.

Here's the problem with your argument as I highlighted with the pigeon example.

Observed/Testified: Zimmerman can be heard getting out of his car (point 3) during the non-emergency call. He was asked if he was following Treyvon and said "Yeah".

Unknown: It is not known how far he traveled from point 3 during this time.

Observed/Testified: Treyvon lost Zimmerman as he ran.

Unknown: It is not known how far Zimmerman or Treyvon traveled during this time.

Observed/Testified: At least 3 minutes and 52 seconds pass between the time Zimmerman says "He ran" and the time Treyvon's call with Rachel Jeantel disconnects as she hears the beginning of the confrontation at point 5.

Unknown: The locations, traveling paths, and traveling speeds of Zimmerman or Treyvon during the time leading up to the confrontation are not known.

So, despite all of these unknowns, you're assuming that the only possible scenario was for Zimmerman to walk directly from point 3 to point 5 in the during the 4-5 minutes between him being asked if he was following Treyvon till the time the confrontation occurred? And Treyvon could only travel from point 4 to point 5 during the 4-5 minutes that passed, despite him running according to Zimmerman during the non-emergency call and according to Rachel Jeantel's testimony?

You're claiming Zimmerman had to take 4-5 minutes to travel 40 feet?

(40 ft/300 seconds)*12 inches=1.6 inches/second

(40 ft/240 seconds)*12 inches=2 inches/second

This gives Zimmerman an average speed between 1.6 inches per second (0.09MPH) and 2 inches per second (0.11MPH); less than 4 times the speed of a garden snail (Source: Natural History Magazine, March 1974, copyright 1974; The American Museum of Natural History; and James G. Doherty, general curator, The Wildlife Conservation Society).

Making these assumptions--despite so many unknowns--to reach this conclusion is none other than speculation bruh.

Not to mention that the speed required for a direct path here is absurd.

This is why I said it wasn't established.

could it be that he was hiding because he didnt know who was chasing him?

if someone is following me and i run an i turn to see how far they are behind me....if they still folowing me..i may just hide. so how come goerge didnt go back to his truck for the 4minutes that passed?

he had 4 minutes to go back to the truck...an since when did it take 4 minutes for police to come outside of the hood?

then...maybe trayvon saw the guy didnt look too threatening an came out of hiding to ask why was he folowiing him.

george may have started his interrogation an they got into an aurgument and the rest is history.

now while i agree the fukk used the law to his advantage...but not act like common sense was not an option here. george had the protection of his dad, and friends on the force and the people that don't like black people including the fat chick that couldn't leave the house.

an before someone says it wasnt racial....why is it that everyone thats happy with the verdict think he was a thug....not that he was doing something wrong...but they think he was a thug, what makes or made him a thug?

one of you keblers or fiat anser this...what made the young man a thug to get this whole thing rolling.

 

[Gold_Certificate]

Your analogy is missing the fact that the pigeon was following the bird before we stopped observing.

proof

[proof] Show IPA

noun

1.

evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.

We have evidence that he was pursuing Trayvon before the call ended. We know he got out of his car. He started walking, he even says this himself. An altercation happens 40 feet from his car. This clearly demonstrates he was following him. There are no reasonable alternatives to explain these facts.

The alternative is he got out of the car to look at the street sign. That's the alternative. That's what he said, and that is the only other possibility for this particular case. Now let me show you, again, why I ruled out that alternative. I have a part time driving job right now, where I have to remember lots of streets. When I come to street I don't know, I don't park 40 feet away to look at it. I can either drive up close to look at it, or drive up close to it, get out, and then look at it (never done the latter.) If it is dark and I have to find an address and can't see them on houses, I may get out to get a closer look. Zimmerman wasn't looking for an address, he was checking the street sign. This alternative can safely be ruled out. It just does not make as much sense as the other version of the story.

Here's the problem with your argument as I highlighted with the pigeon example.

Observed/Testified: Zimmerman can be heard getting out of his car (point 3) during the non-emergency call. He was asked if he was following Treyvon and said "Yeah".

Unknown: It is not known how far he traveled from point 3 during this time.

Observed/Testified: Treyvon lost Zimmerman as he ran.

Unknown: It is not known how far Zimmerman or Treyvon traveled during this time.

Observed/Testified: At least 3 minutes and 52 seconds pass between the time Zimmerman says "He ran" and the time Treyvon's call with Rachel Jeantel disconnects as she hears the beginning of the confrontation at point 5.

Unknown: The locations, traveling paths, and traveling speeds of Zimmerman or Treyvon during the time leading up to the confrontation are not known.

So, despite all of these unknowns, you're assuming that the only possible scenario was for Zimmerman to walk directly from point 3 to point 5 in the during the 4-5 minutes between him being asked if he was following Treyvon till the time the confrontation occurred? And Treyvon could only travel from point 4 to point 5 during the 4-5 minutes that passed, despite him running according to Zimmerman during the non-emergency call and according to Rachel Jeantel's testimony?

You're claiming Zimmerman had to take 4-5 minutes to travel 40 feet?

(40 ft/300 seconds)*12 inches=1.6 inches/second

(40 ft/240 seconds)*12 inches=2 inches/second

This gives Zimmerman an average speed between 1.6 inches per second (0.09MPH) and 2 inches per second (0.11MPH); less than 4 times the speed of a garden snail (Source: Natural History Magazine, March 1974, copyright 1974; The American Museum of Natural History; and James G. Doherty, general curator, The Wildlife Conservation Society).

Making these assumptions--despite so many unknowns--to reach this conclusion is none other than speculation bruh.

Not to mention that the speed required for a direct path here is absurd.

This is why I said it wasn't established.

could it be that he was hiding because he didnt know who was chasing him?

if someone is following me and i run an i turn to see how far they are behind me....if they still folowing me..i may just hide. so how come goerge didnt go back to his truck for the 4minutes that passed?

he had 4 minutes to go back to the truck...an since when did it take 4 minutes for police to come outside of the hood?

then...maybe trayvon saw the guy didnt look too threatening an came out of hiding to ask why was he folowiing him.

george may have started his interrogation an they got into an aurgument and the rest is history.

now while i agree the fukk used the law to his advantage...but not act like common sense was not an option here. george had the protection of his dad, and friends on the force and the people that don't like black people including the fat chick that couldn't leave the house.

an before someone says it wasnt racial....why is it that everyone thats happy with the verdict think he was a thug....not that he was doing something wrong...but they think he was a thug, what makes or made him a thug?

one of you keblers or fiat anser this...what made the young man a thug to get this whole thing rolling.

This was not established either.

 

[Gold_Certificate]

Rachel Jeantel: 'I Believe Trayvon Hit First' (VIDEO)

 

[bull6599]

A few things that make no sense to me

1.) The screams for help where kind of rhythmic or on cadence. It's kinda hard to scream for help in specified intervals when ur getting ur head blammed into the concrete like GZ claims.

2.) If ur standing over someone or "straddling" them MMA "ground & pound" style when u get shot ur likely to fall on top of them. So they're basically saying Trayvon took a shot to the heart & then got up & fell back...C'MON SON?!?!? He likely woulda fell on top of GZ & there likely would've been TM's blood on him somewhere.

Speculation on my part, but just some common sense as well...which obviously wasn't used.

 

[BIRGGin]

I wonder how much money Zimmerman would get if he put his sidearm up for sale on Ebay?