George Zimmerman Trial Thread (Found Not Guilty Jesus help us...)

[Gold_Certificate]

Neither the bolded nor the underlined have been established; also speculation.

LMAO. Interesting how you keep bringing up how something is only "speculation" to help you get out of a corner.

And to answer your question, you speculated earlier with this:

...But amazingly, he somehow found Trayvon again and when confronted, Tray himself said, "Why are you following me?"...

That's because you brought up that Rachel Jeantel said that he ran, and I merely brought up a point that under that scenario, the loophole could still be applied. Oop.

I said the claim that Zimmerman followed Treyvon after the non-emergency call was not established. You're responding with speculation.

Speculating about what could've happened is not the same as establishing what did happen.

One could also claim that Treyvon followed Zimmerman after the non-emergency call; without proof, it's still speculation.

This is why I said:

This was not established either.

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

Y all still discussing this while Zimmerman is on a mexican beach right now

 

[Batman.]

Stand Your Ground law doesn't need to change.

Zimmerman just practiced bad judgement that's all.

Yes, it does.

Marissa Alexander only fired a warning shot, and she's going to jail for 20 years for protecting her children.

All because she's Black.

While your child-killing hero goes free.

And shoot first laws are completely archaic and for conservatives who are trigger happy.

That's not stand your ground.

The bitch intentionally fired the shot.

she feared 4 her life after he verbally said "im goin 2 kill you"

She claims she feared for her life, fled to the garage, got the gun from her car--instead of leaving--returned, and then fired a shot towards him and his sons as they were leaving.

That's not "stand your ground"; that's "aggravated assault with a firearm".

the kids was in the house but not by him.. he admited 2 sayin he wanted 2 put hands on her in the garage... 1 thats her house and had reasonable fear 4 her life... even tho Zimmerman didnt use stand yo ground... his defense was painting the picture he had reasonable fear 4 his life...

She chose to get the gun and go back when she went to her car in the garage, this is why her "stand your ground" claim was rejected:

A judge ruled against Alexander in a Stand Your Ground hearing in 2011, saying that her choice to go back in the house to face her husband was not consistent with someone who was in “genuine fear of his or her life.”

As far as where the children were, it's her word against theirs:

“When she [Alexander] discharges a firearm in the direction of human beings, the Legislature says it’s dangerous,” Corey told Brown. “And one of the reasons is because the bullet went through the wall where one of the children was standing. It happened to deflect up into the ceiling, but if it had deflected down it could have hit one of the children.”

Was she supposed to just stand there and get beaten again?

Yeah. Or go to jail.

 

[Gold_Certificate]

Stand Your Ground law doesn't need to change.

Zimmerman just practiced bad judgement that's all.

Yes, it does.

Marissa Alexander only fired a warning shot, and she's going to jail for 20 years for protecting her children.

All because she's Black.

While your child-killing hero goes free.

And shoot first laws are completely archaic and for conservatives who are trigger happy.

That's not stand your ground.

The bitch intentionally fired the shot.

she feared 4 her life after he verbally said "im goin 2 kill you"

She claims she feared for her life, fled to the garage, got the gun from her car--instead of leaving--returned, and then fired a shot towards him and his sons as they were leaving.

That's not "stand your ground"; that's "aggravated assault with a firearm".

The man has a history of abuse, dear.

When someone has a history of abuse, and shout threats, it's grounds for defense.

Also, it was a single warning shot that didn't kill him.

And yes, it applies under stand your ground because of his past abusive history and the perceived threat to her well-being.

The bolded perfectly fits Florida's legal definition of "aggravated assault":

784.011 Assault.—

(1) An “assault” is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

History.—s. 5, Feb. 10, 1832; RS 2400; GS 3226; RGS 5059; CGL 7161; s. 1, ch. 70-88; s. 729, ch 71-136; s. 17, ch. 74-383; s. 7, ch. 75-298; s. 171, ch. 91-224.

Note.—Former s. 784.02.

784.021 Aggravated assault.—

(1) An “aggravated assault” is an assault:

(a) With a deadly weapon without intent to kill; or

(b) With an intent to commit a felony.

(2) Whoever commits an aggravated assault shall be guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

History.—s. 2, ch. 3275, 1881; RS 2402; GS 3228; RGS 5061; CGL 7163; s. 1, ch. 29709, 1955; s. 1, ch. 57-345; s. 731, ch. 71-136; s. 18, ch. 74-383; s. 8, ch. 75-298.

Note.—Former s. 784.04.

It doesn't fit "stand your ground", because fleeing to her car counts as retreating from the situation. It would've been under "stand your ground" if she had the gun on her when he first threatened her and shot at him then.

She was also charged with battery for a separate assault on him, months after she shot toward him and his sons; which she plead "no contest" to.

The fact that she used a "deadly weapon without intent to kill" doesn't deter it from being within the stand your ground law.

Don't see where you're going with this.

"Stand your ground" refers to the lack of a "duty to retreat" if someone desires to defend themselves with force.

Marissa Alexander retreated before returning and using force; so "stand your ground" does not apply here.

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

He yelled that he was going to kill her and had a history of abusive behavior.

Thus, she had a lack of duty to retreat and "believed it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another (her children)".

Again, this seems to fit perfectly with the definition.

She retreated from the situation, so the lack of a "duty to retreat" is still moot.

She didn't have to retreat, but she did; that's where she fucked up.

 

[can'tyoutell]

lol birgin got neutered.

 

[Chef_Taylor]

Shit tore me up to sit and watch Marissa Alexander hold that interview.

 

[can'tyoutell]

Zimmerman caused his situation and then killed someone. Marissa unfortunately picked the wrong man and after years of abuse, that threat was very real. She got the gun because she was in FEAR and maybe she didn't make the best decision out of the fear she was feeling, but didn't kill anyone. Why is she in jail and Zimmerman free? Have we made laws that are robotic and lacking in common sense?

 

[can'tyoutell]

Who's more a danger to society, Zimmerman, or Marissa? What is the purpose of jail if we let the dangerous ones go and put the least dangerous away?

 

[can'tyoutell]

Gold_certificate, we know Zimmerman exited his vehicle. For you to think he didn't continue following him, you would have to believe his story that he got out of the car to look at a street sign, one of three in his neighborhood. It sounds like a lie, and that is compounded with the testimony of Jeantel. At one point, Zimmerman slips up and says he followed him. There's just too much evidence pointing in the direction that he followed Trayvon.

 

[TheIraq]

The more I hear the 911 call, the more I'm convinced the gun was out already and Zimmerman didn't just remember he had a gun on him........................... That gun was out before the 911 call.......................

Fucked up a nigga scream for help and people on the phone with 911 to pussy to see what's going on........ HELP, HELP M fire shot, no more screams for help smh........... White folks aint got logic............ I would knock George Zimmermans teeth out........... Pussy started something he couldn't handle and a gun gave him the upper hand........ LMAO is you ever been in a fight you you know damn why if you hit in the face 20 plus times you're gonna end up with more than a "broken" nose......... And Zimmerman soft as fuck and had his head smashed into the concrete 25 plus times and survived that shit...... SMH................. How is this shit possible??????????? Get your head smashed into the concrete 20 plus times and let a nigga beat you across the face 20 more times and report on that shit and show how fast you were able to pull of the gun on your holster.............. That gun was already out........ Then after your shit was beat in you found a way to holster your shit back again????????????? SMH.............. So jurors do know concrete is unforgiving now? Slam somebodies head on concrete 20 plus times and they only have scratches????????? Oh ok................ Land 20 plus punches on a persons face and the only thing wrong with them is a bloody nose????????? Oh ok...................... Goddamn a person cant be on top screamin for help holdin somebody down?????? Oh ok.............. Race doesnt have anything to do with it but I bet if it was a faggot like Justin Beiber and the wiggas like him you wouldnt have looked twice or questioned why he was there......................... I not racist cuz my best friend is black...............

 

[TheIraq]

White folks and other that try to shit on blacks are the worst kinda people.....................

 

[Chef_Taylor]

Who's more a danger to society, Zimmerman, or Marissa? What is the purpose of jail if we let the dangerous ones go and put the least dangerous away.

Zimmerman is the one with the criminal record and sexual molestation.

Yet, Marissa is a mother who was defending herself and her kids in the wrong circumstances.

A terrible country we live in where the world watches us, a pseudo democracy, kill children and imprison mothers who protect their kids from violence.

Shame on this country.

 

[Gold_Certificate]

Neither the bolded nor the underlined have been established; also speculation.

LMAO. Interesting how you keep bringing up how something is only "speculation" to help you get out of a corner.

And to answer your question, you speculated earlier with this:

...But amazingly, he somehow found Trayvon again and when confronted, Tray himself said, "Why are you following me?"...

That's because you brought up that Rachel Jeantel said that he ran, and I merely brought up a point that under that scenario, the loophole could still be applied. Oop.

I said the claim that Zimmerman followed Treyvon after the non-emergency call was not established. You're responding with speculation.

Speculating about what could've happened is not the same as establishing what did happen.

One could also claim that Treyvon followed Zimmerman after the non-emergency call; without proof, it's still speculation.

This is why I said:

This was not established either.

One could, but it wouldn't make sense, being that Rachel said that he ran and Zimmerman himself said that he ran.

"Jeantel said Martin told her the man watching him was a "creepy-ass cracker." She recalled suggesting that the man might be a rapist. She went on to say that Martin told her he was going to try to elude the man, and that the teen left the area but that he was still being followed. Jeantel said she told him to run, but Martin replied that he was close to his father's fiance's house. Shortly after, Martin told Jeantel he would run home and then the phone went dead.

Later in her testimony, Jeantel said that when she called Martin back, he told her "the nigga is behind me." Jeantel said she heard a bump and then the sound of "wet grass." She said she heard Martin say "get off," the call was cut off and she never spoke to Martin again."

You say it's speculation...but no one else except Rachel, Tray, and Zimmerman were there for the entire tragic incident. So, we must rely on Rachel's testimony heavily. Now, it's clear from taking that dispatcher call and the testimony that Zimmerman most likely followed Tray repeatedly...and the loophole.

Zimmerman's claim is that he didn't see Treyvon until Treyvon approached him as he was walking back to his truck.

One has to speculate to conclude which of these contradicting claims is correct.

This is why I said it was not established.

 

[TheIraq]

Yall hate everything black but then yall try to rap, yall hate everything blacks but yall try to dance like us, yall hate blacks but yall try to talk like us, yall hate blacks but yall hoes wanna twerk........... Goddamn non black when are yall gonna start being original and stop steal from my peoples culture........................... Smh yall hate blacks but wanna do everything we do and say you do it better GTFOH...................

 

[TheIraq]

Wow I typed too much tonight in this thread........................

 

[Chef_Taylor]

Shame on this country...laws in florida so screwed she thought she was abiding by the laws yet got thrown in prison for 20 fucking years..yet a man kills a unarmed teenager who he followed when told not to by authority and didnt spent one night in a jail ceil.

 

[Tommy bilfiger]

Somebody close this thread this bloated tortoise lookin lesbo is gettin bodied and postin gifs arguin just be arguin

Case is closed.Not guilty.It's ova.You aint gonna do shit but cry on skype wit yo moms and lesbian coalition

 

[can'tyoutell]

We should push to make the day Trayvon got shot a holiday. I don't want people to forget what they have done. Every year we should be reminded that in a "post racial" society, they let a murderer go free.

 

[Gold_Certificate]

Neither the bolded nor the underlined have been established; also speculation.

LMAO. Interesting how you keep bringing up how something is only "speculation" to help you get out of a corner.

And to answer your question, you speculated earlier with this:

...But amazingly, he somehow found Trayvon again and when confronted, Tray himself said, "Why are you following me?"...

That's because you brought up that Rachel Jeantel said that he ran, and I merely brought up a point that under that scenario, the loophole could still be applied. Oop.

I said the claim that Zimmerman followed Treyvon after the non-emergency call was not established. You're responding with speculation.

Speculating about what could've happened is not the same as establishing what did happen.

One could also claim that Treyvon followed Zimmerman after the non-emergency call; without proof, it's still speculation.

This is why I said:

This was not established either.

One could, but it wouldn't make sense, being that Rachel said that he ran and Zimmerman himself said that he ran.

"Jeantel said Martin told her the man watching him was a "creepy-ass cracker." She recalled suggesting that the man might be a rapist. She went on to say that Martin told her he was going to try to elude the man, and that the teen left the area but that he was still being followed. Jeantel said she told him to run, but Martin replied that he was close to his father's fiance's house. Shortly after, Martin told Jeantel he would run home and then the phone went dead.

Later in her testimony, Jeantel said that when she called Martin back, he told her "the nigga is behind me." Jeantel said she heard a bump and then the sound of "wet grass." She said she heard Martin say "get off," the call was cut off and she never spoke to Martin again."

You say it's speculation...but no one else except Rachel, Tray, and Zimmerman were there for the entire tragic incident. So, we must rely on Rachel's testimony heavily. Now, it's clear from taking that dispatcher call and the testimony that Zimmerman most likely followed Tray repeatedly...and the loophole.

Zimmerman's claim is that he didn't see Treyvon until Treyvon approached him as he was walking back to his truck.

One has to speculate to conclude which of these contradicting claims is correct.

This is why I said it was not established.

Exactly why would he be out of his truck in the first place?

He would only get out of the car if he was looking for someone.

That would to have meant that he was at least following Trayvon again (the loop hole).

Or he is lying about Trayvon sneaking up behind him and Rachel is telling the truth.

The bolded is still speculation.

 

[Batman.]

We should push to make the day Trayvon got shot a holiday. I don't want people to forget what they have done. Every year we should be reminded that in a "post racial" society, they let a murderer go free.

Its black history month regardless.

Neither the bolded nor the underlined have been established; also speculation.

LMAO. Interesting how you keep bringing up how something is only "speculation" to help you get out of a corner.

And to answer your question, you speculated earlier with this:

...But amazingly, he somehow found Trayvon again and when confronted, Tray himself said, "Why are you following me?"...

That's because you brought up that Rachel Jeantel said that he ran, and I merely brought up a point that under that scenario, the loophole could still be applied. Oop.

I said the claim that Zimmerman followed Treyvon after the non-emergency call was not established. You're responding with speculation.

Speculating about what could've happened is not the same as establishing what did happen.

One could also claim that Treyvon followed Zimmerman after the non-emergency call; without proof, it's still speculation.

This is why I said:

This was not established either.

One could, but it wouldn't make sense, being that Rachel said that he ran and Zimmerman himself said that he ran.

"Jeantel said Martin told her the man watching him was a "creepy-ass cracker." She recalled suggesting that the man might be a rapist. She went on to say that Martin told her he was going to try to elude the man, and that the teen left the area but that he was still being followed. Jeantel said she told him to run, but Martin replied that he was close to his father's fiance's house. Shortly after, Martin told Jeantel he would run home and then the phone went dead.

Later in her testimony, Jeantel said that when she called Martin back, he told her "the nigga is behind me." Jeantel said she heard a bump and then the sound of "wet grass." She said she heard Martin say "get off," the call was cut off and she never spoke to Martin again."

You say it's speculation...but no one else except Rachel, Tray, and Zimmerman were there for the entire tragic incident. So, we must rely on Rachel's testimony heavily. Now, it's clear from taking that dispatcher call and the testimony that Zimmerman most likely followed Tray repeatedly...and the loophole.

Zimmerman's claim is that he didn't see Treyvon until Treyvon approached him as he was walking back to his truck.

One has to speculate to conclude which of these contradicting claims is correct.

This is why I said it was not established.

Exactly why would he be out of his truck in the first place?

He would only get out of the car if he was looking for someone.

That would to have meant that he was at least following Trayvon again (the loop hole).

Or he is lying about Trayvon sneaking up behind him and Rachel is telling the truth.

The bolded is still speculation.

What your mother did to me last night is no speculation my friend.