George Zimmerman Trial Thread (Found Not Guilty Jesus help us...)

[ohhhla]

Stand Your Ground law doesn't need to change.

Zimmerman just practiced bad judgement that's all.

 

[LUClEN]

The case went as intended. The law is flawed. Claiming self defense when you are the aggressor is nonsense.

This was never proven though.

The defense didn't even include 776.041.

He admitted to pursuing and following Trayvon, while armed though. This is an act of aggression imo.

 

[Gold_Certificate]

How do we challenge the Stand Your Ground Law?

Where do we start?

People are talking about boycotting products in Florida.

Man sit yo ass down somewhere.Challenge the shit goin on in your backyard.Start in chicago 1st lemme see your tears and outrage about what's goin on in YOUR city you fake ass internet militant

Just checked the self-defense law in Illinois, and it doesn't seem to have a duty to retreat either:

(720 ILCS 5/7-1) (from Ch. 38, par. 7-1)

Sec. 7-1. Use of force in defense of person.

(a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, he is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or another, or the commission of a forcible felony.

(b) In no case shall any act involving the use of force justified under this Section give rise to any claim or liability brought by or on behalf of any person acting within the definition of "aggressor" set forth in Section 7-4 of this Article, or the estate, spouse, or other family member of such a person, against the person or estate of the person using such justified force, unless the use of force involves willful or wanton misconduct.

(Source: P.A. 93-832, eff. 7-28-04.)

^^Shit's not that different from Florida's law.

I wasn't talkin about stand your ground laws.I'm talking about the blacc murder rates,gang violence and blacc on blacc crime in the city of chicago

Stand your ground is irrelevant cuz handguns are illegal in chicago except for law enforcement

Nah, my post was just to show that boycotting "stand your ground" states doesn't accomplish much.

Illinois isn't typically considered a "stand your ground" state, but their law is basically the same as the Florida law Zimmerman was acquitted under.

 

[Tommy bilfiger]

Some 90% of black murder victims are killed by other blacks.

Ether

"Bu bu but read my thread debunking the myth!!!" Foh.Who's shootin these niggas then? Brad from des plaines?

Lmao niggas are running from the truth.Get outraged about your blacc communities self destruction or shut da fucc up

 

[Gold_Certificate]

The case went as intended. The law is flawed. Claiming self defense when you are the aggressor is nonsense.

This was never proven though.

The defense didn't even include 776.041.

He admitted to pursuing and following Trayvon, while armed though. This is an act of aggression imo.

It isn't one legally.

 

[Gold_Certificate]

The case went as intended. The law is flawed. Claiming self defense when you are the aggressor is nonsense.

This was never proven though.

The defense didn't even include 776.041.

He admitted to pursuing and following Trayvon, while armed though. This is an act of aggression imo.

It isn't one legally.

Stalking is.

Zimmerman's actions weren't proven to be stalking legally:

(2) A person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(3) A person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person and makes a credible threat to that person commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(4) A person who, after an injunction for protection against repeat violence, sexual violence, or dating violence pursuant to s. 784.046, or an injunction for protection against domestic violence pursuant to s. 741.30, or after any other court-imposed prohibition of conduct toward the subject person or that person’s property, knowingly, willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(5) A person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks a child under 16 years of age commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

 

[Gold_Certificate]

I don't see how definition (2) doesn't apply.

He was in willful pursuit of Trayvon even after the police told him to stop following him. "These assholes always get away" can be taken maliciously and once he got out the car, he harassed Trayvon, as heard by Rachel Jeantel.

The prosecution is complete shit for letting that slide.

The prosecution couldn't establish "malice" for second degree murder, they'd still have to establish it for stalking.

Plus, it must be shown that the willfully malicious following/harassing happened "repeatedly".

 

[LUClEN]

I don't see how definition (2) doesn't apply.

He was in willful pursuit of Trayvon even after the police told him to stop following him. "These assholes always get away" can be taken maliciously and once he got out the car, he harassed Trayvon, as heard by Rachel Jeantel.

The prosecution is complete shit for letting that slide.

the key word is repeatedly. An allegation of stalking would not hold.

 

[Gold_Certificate]

I don't see how definition (2) doesn't apply.

He was in willful pursuit of Trayvon even after the police told him to stop following him. "These assholes always get away" can be taken maliciously and once he got out the car, he harassed Trayvon, as heard by Rachel Jeantel.

The prosecution is complete shit for letting that slide.

The prosecution couldn't establish "malice" for second degree murder, they'd still have to establish it for stalking.

Plus, it must be shown that the willfully malicious following/harassing happened "repeatedly".

I still maintain that, "these assholes always get away" can be taken for malice.

I would also work around repeatedly as Zimmerman first followed Trayvon while on the phone with the cops and then followed him after the call. There's ways to work around definitions.

Shitty prosecution.

This was not established either.

 

[BIRGGin]

And LOL at that shitty article a cracker troll posted.

Of course it matters if Trayvon was profiled.

It doesn't matter if there were break-ins.

Being young and Black doesn't make you a criminal.

Unless he saw Trayvon trying to climb through a window, walking through someone's backyard, or something else incredibly suspect beyond wearing a hood, racial profiling doesn't mean shit.

Oan if Zimmerman's bitch ass didn't follow Tray (after receiving orders), Tray would still be here today.

I've got a bridge for sale, taking food stamps, let me know.

 

[BIRGGin]

Is "Whole Foods" slang for "McDoubles", fatty? Sorry I'm not "down" with the jive talk.

 

[Batman.]

I think this is whole foods.

It's so ghetto, look at all the stuff they have for sale and shit.

 

[Gold_Certificate]

I don't see how definition (2) doesn't apply.

He was in willful pursuit of Trayvon even after the police told him to stop following him. "These assholes always get away" can be taken maliciously and once he got out the car, he harassed Trayvon, as heard by Rachel Jeantel.

The prosecution is complete shit for letting that slide.

The prosecution couldn't establish "malice" for second degree murder, they'd still have to establish it for stalking.

Plus, it must be shown that the willfully malicious following/harassing happened "repeatedly".

I still maintain that, "these assholes always get away" can be taken for malice.

I would also work around repeatedly as Zimmerman first followed Trayvon while on the phone with the cops and then followed him after the call. There's ways to work around definitions.

Shitty prosecution.

This was not established either.

It wasn't established that he followed him after the call with a cop?

Nah. Rachel Jeantel claims Treyvon lost Zimmerman after running and he later asked Zimmerman why he was following him. She doesn't say who approached who.

Zimmerman claims he lost Treyvon after he ran and Treyvon later approached him and asked him if he had a problem.

 

[LUClEN]

doesn't make sense that he would retreat only to later engage Zimmerman imo

 

[Batman.]

Is "Whole Foods" slang for "McDoubles", fatty? Sorry I'm not "down" with the jive talk.

People still eat McDonald's?

I swear to god Nicki gets whiter every year.

 

[LUClEN]

Wasn't a cop was a 9/11 operator, making the suggestion less authorative

 

[BIRGGin]

A letter to the Trayvon Martin mob
http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/07/16/a-letter-to-the-trayvon-martin-mob/

Forgive me, Hateful Liberal Mob, but I’ve got to be honest with you. I’m angry. I’ve had enough. I’ve had enough of you, specifically. I want to get away from this Zimmerman case and discuss something else. Anything else. Let’s talk about puppies or cartoons or sandwiches, I don’t know. Something. Anything. But you won’t allow that, will you? You’ve latched onto this unfortunate event like a moldy barnacle, and you won’t let go. That’s why I can’t let go, either. You’re hoping to shout so loud and make so many empty threats that the reasonable folks, like myself, who believe in truth and REAL justice, will just give up and slink timidly away into the silent cold night. Sorry, not going to happen. Not this time. Not with me. You’re wrong, you’re disgraceful, you’re hypocritical and fraudulent, and I won’t stop reminding you of that fact.

 

[Batman.]

Wasn't a cop was a 9/11 operator, making the suggestion less authorative

Are you serious? They're there to keep you alive. Only the law says you don't have to listen to them.

Listening to them however, is common sense. Stay in the fucking car.

Trayvon should have ran because anybody who stalks you like that is indeed a creepy ass cracker and he's trying to start some serious shit.

 

[ohhhla]

Stand Your Ground law doesn't need to change.

Zimmerman just practiced bad judgement that's all.

Yes, it does.

Marissa Alexander only fired a warning shot, and she's going to jail for 20 years for protecting her children.

All because she's Black.

While your child-killing hero goes free.

And shoot first laws are completely archaic and for conservatives who are trigger happy.

That's not stand your ground.

The bitch intentionally fired the shot.

 

[Gold_Certificate]

I don't see how definition (2) doesn't apply.

He was in willful pursuit of Trayvon even after the police told him to stop following him. "These assholes always get away" can be taken maliciously and once he got out the car, he harassed Trayvon, as heard by Rachel Jeantel.

The prosecution is complete shit for letting that slide.

The prosecution couldn't establish "malice" for second degree murder, they'd still have to establish it for stalking.

Plus, it must be shown that the willfully malicious following/harassing happened "repeatedly".

I still maintain that, "these assholes always get away" can be taken for malice.

I would also work around repeatedly as Zimmerman first followed Trayvon while on the phone with the cops and then followed him after the call. There's ways to work around definitions.

Shitty prosecution.

This was not established either.

It wasn't established that he followed him after the call with a cop?

Nah. Rachel Jeantel claims Treyvon lost Zimmerman after running and he later asked Zimmerman why he was following him. She doesn't say who approached who.

Zimmerman claims he lost Treyvon after he ran and Treyvon later approached him and asked him if he had a problem.

I remember hearing the phone convo and the cop told him to leave him alone.

And looks like he continued to follow him.

So...hello loophole! \/

Zimmerman's response to the non-emergency operator's suggestion was "Ok", followed by "He ran.", and later "I don’t know where this kid is.".

Loophole removed.