Ajackson17
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Zimmerman saying his life was in danger would be as if Zod said if his life was in danger and so he had to wipe out the human populace and create a second krypton.
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Du_Du;5964404 said:so then they ask him was he prepared to use it....
even if he says no....he did use it.....
so by definition of him using it, it shows that he was prepared to use it once he approached trayvon...
when he got out of the car he knew that the outcome of this approach could possibly end with trayvon dying.....
we cannot say the same fro trayvon because he did not begin this altercation with a deadly weapon on him....
Gold_Certificate;5964410 said:You're over-thinking it bruh.Du_Du;5964383 said:fiat is doing a great job at pointing out the technicalities of florida law..however the defense already established a flaw....
as fiat said, the law says all zimmerman has to prove HE THOUGHT his life was in danger....yet his attorney is trying t o prove that his life WAS in danger.....
and unfortunately for zimmerman the only way for them to prove that zimmerman's life was actually in danger was for him to have been damaged more than he was...
dude didn't even have to go directly to the hospital...they entertained it...but ultimately it was determined he'd be iight....it's not like the shit was life threatening....ya feel me? not life threatening....
so the jury is going to have to believe that trayvon really intended to kill this man......and i don't see anyone buying that...especially considering zimmerman had the gun from the jump...he was fully prepared to shoot if needed be..trayvon just wanted to know why he was being followed..he could have jumped off of zimmerman and ran for all we know...but we don't know cuz zimmerman who was prepared to shoot..shot first......knowing mind you that the police were on their way....because he called them
You don't wait for the nigga to mortally injure you to do what you can to stop him, you try to stop him before it gets that far.
That's the concept this law is based on.
Ajackson17;5964414 said:Zimmerman saying his life was in danger would be as if Zod said if his life was in danger and so he had to wipe out the human populace and create a second krypton.
Matt-;5964421 said:Du_Du;5964404 said:so then they ask him was he prepared to use it....
even if he says no....he did use it.....
so by definition of him using it, it shows that he was prepared to use it once he approached trayvon...
when he got out of the car he knew that the outcome of this approach could possibly end with trayvon dying.....
we cannot say the same fro trayvon because he did not begin this altercation with a deadly weapon on him....
but how are you going to get the answer to that question? Preparing to use it if he was in danger is different than preparing to use it just b/c he can
"When I attained the gun, the license, and the training; I decided I was 'prepared to use it' at any time, wherever I went while legally carrying it."Du_Du;5964404 said:so then they ask him was he prepared to use it....
even if he says no....he did use it.....
so by definition of him using it, it shows that he was prepared to use it once he approached trayvon...
when he got out of the car he knew that the outcome of this approach could possibly end with trayvon dying.....
we cannot say the same fro trayvon because he did not begin this altercation with a deadly weapon on him....
"Profiling" doesn't equate to murder or manslaughter, so that doesn't seem particularly significant either.DOC H0LL!DAY;5964409 said:Gold_Certificate;5964397 said:"I have a concealed carry license, so I carried the gun everywhere I was legally permitted."; then he'd say he approached Treyvon because he looked suspicious.Du_Du;5964385 said:Gold_Certificate;5964378 said:Easy response, "I did not expect an altercation. I had no intention for violence to occur."; then he would claim that Treyvon started the fight.Du_Du;5964288 said:that's sketchy as shit though...
i mean there's a reason why police will taze a person versus shooting them... you use the force the pertains to the threat.....
by carrying a gun and no other means of defending oneself it's reasonable to say that zimmerman was prepared to use lethal force against any physical threat.....if that can be established..then his approach of trayvon means that he was approaching him in full expectation of using lethal force if the altercation got outta hand at any time....which it did....and he did....
i mean it may be a hypothetical question that would send the defense crazy, but i would ask george zimmerman would he have approached trayvon if he didn't know he had the gun on him.....
even if the question gets thrown out the jury can't unhear the shit
so why bring the gun? and why approach when the police were on their way?
Which ultimately proves the prosecution was right when they said he profiled him.
Du_Du;5964428 said:Matt-;5964421 said:Du_Du;5964404 said:so then they ask him was he prepared to use it....
even if he says no....he did use it.....
so by definition of him using it, it shows that he was prepared to use it once he approached trayvon...
when he got out of the car he knew that the outcome of this approach could possibly end with trayvon dying.....
we cannot say the same fro trayvon because he did not begin this altercation with a deadly weapon on him....
but how are you going to get the answer to that question? Preparing to use it if he was in danger is different than preparing to use it just b/c he can
"'when you left the car to approach trayvon martin, were you prepared to use your fire arm?"
The bolded is subjective, and the underlined is conjecture.Du_Du;5964422 said:Gold_Certificate;5964410 said:You're over-thinking it bruh.Du_Du;5964383 said:fiat is doing a great job at pointing out the technicalities of florida law..however the defense already established a flaw....
as fiat said, the law says all zimmerman has to prove HE THOUGHT his life was in danger....yet his attorney is trying t o prove that his life WAS in danger.....
and unfortunately for zimmerman the only way for them to prove that zimmerman's life was actually in danger was for him to have been damaged more than he was...
dude didn't even have to go directly to the hospital...they entertained it...but ultimately it was determined he'd be iight....it's not like the shit was life threatening....ya feel me? not life threatening....
so the jury is going to have to believe that trayvon really intended to kill this man......and i don't see anyone buying that...especially considering zimmerman had the gun from the jump...he was fully prepared to shoot if needed be..trayvon just wanted to know why he was being followed..he could have jumped off of zimmerman and ran for all we know...but we don't know cuz zimmerman who was prepared to shoot..shot first......knowing mind you that the police were on their way....because he called them
You don't wait for the nigga to mortally injure you to do what you can to stop him, you try to stop him before it gets that far.
That's the concept this law is based on.
there was no indication that it was ever going to get that far is what i'm attempting to prove...dude jumped the gun literally because he walked in there prepared to shoot at the first sign of trouble
Gold_Certificate;5964445 said:"When I attained the gun, the license, and the training; I decided I was 'prepared to use it' at any time, wherever I went while legally carrying it."
Not a particularly damning or significant statement.
.
Matt-;5964452 said:either "i'm always prepared to defend myslelf withing the boundaries of the law"
or he never even takes the stand
Du_Du;5964485 said:that knock knock joke though.....rofl
Gold_Certificate;5964460 said:The bolded is subjective, and the underlined is conjecture.Du_Du;5964422 said:Gold_Certificate;5964410 said:You're over-thinking it bruh.Du_Du;5964383 said:fiat is doing a great job at pointing out the technicalities of florida law..however the defense already established a flaw....
as fiat said, the law says all zimmerman has to prove HE THOUGHT his life was in danger....yet his attorney is trying t o prove that his life WAS in danger.....
and unfortunately for zimmerman the only way for them to prove that zimmerman's life was actually in danger was for him to have been damaged more than he was...
dude didn't even have to go directly to the hospital...they entertained it...but ultimately it was determined he'd be iight....it's not like the shit was life threatening....ya feel me? not life threatening....
so the jury is going to have to believe that trayvon really intended to kill this man......and i don't see anyone buying that...especially considering zimmerman had the gun from the jump...he was fully prepared to shoot if needed be..trayvon just wanted to know why he was being followed..he could have jumped off of zimmerman and ran for all we know...but we don't know cuz zimmerman who was prepared to shoot..shot first......knowing mind you that the police were on their way....because he called them
You don't wait for the nigga to mortally injure you to do what you can to stop him, you try to stop him before it gets that far.
That's the concept this law is based on.
there was no indication that it was ever going to get that far is what i'm attempting to prove...dude jumped the gun literally because he walked in there prepared to shoot at the first sign of trouble
If Zimmerman reasonably felt that things could go that far, that would justify the use of force under the law.
For him, the indication could be as simple as, "If I'm getting my ass beat, with no end in sight.".
I'd assume you'd hear, "Objection! Leading the witness." or some shit before getting that far.Du_Du;5964476 said:Gold_Certificate;5964445 said:"When I attained the gun, the license, and the training; I decided I was 'prepared to use it' at any time, wherever I went while legally carrying it."
Not a particularly damning or significant statement.
.
Matt-;5964452 said:either "i'm always prepared to defend myslelf withing the boundaries of the law"
or he never even takes the stand
lol
if that question comes up... i guarantee his answer won't be that polished....
not only that, i'd repeat the question...it's a yes or no answer...
did you get out the car with the intent of using the weapon??