General Manager - Which Sport Is The Most Challenging To Turn A Sorry Team Into A Winner

[5 Grand]

Once the playoffs start in the NFL. Anybody can win

The Giants won two super bowls and didn't even make it the playoffs the year before they won it. And they won it as a the last seed.

Any given Sunday

Cosign. They were wildcard teams and won the Super Bowl. And the Patriots were undefeated one of those years.

In football, all you have to do is make the playoffs and you can win a Superbowl. You can be 10-6 or 11-5 and have a realistic chance of winning it all.

In basketball there's too many seven game series' to get lucky.

Baseball there's too many games period (162) to get lucky, only the best teams make the playoffs.

The answer is football, if you have an above average team and a lot of heart you can win a Super Bowl.

Eli has two rings but otherwise doesn't have any stats that suggest he's a GOAT.

You mean it's not football

You're right.

my bad

 

[its....JOHN B]

So what's the answer?

 

[5 Grand]

So what's the answer?

I'd say baseball. Here's why;

1. You have five starting pitchers that rotate. If you want a championship at least three of them have to be elite.

2. If you want to go to the playoffs/world series you'll need two or three elite closing pitchers to pitch the seventh, eighth and ninth (if necessary) innings .

^^^ Right there that's at least 5 elite pitchers

3. You'll need two left handed batters that bat .300+. Most teams generally have two left handed batters spaced throughout their line up.

4. You'll need an all-star catcher (who bats .300+) that can make a consistent throw from home to second (while squatting) when somebody is trying to steal a base. Your catcher can't let people steal bases.

5. You'll need an offensive player who can get on base and steal bases.

6. The rest of your team has to be solid, there can't be any weak links.

7. If you're an American League team you'll need a DH that bats .300+, if you're a National League team, your pitchers have to bat at least .180.

^^^All of those things are difficult to coordinate, especially if your team is in a small market and doesn't generate much money. A team like the Yankees can hire the best pitchers, the best batters, and the best overall players in every position. Just about everybody on the 2015 Yankees batted over .250. Small market teams are lucky if they have one or two players that bat over .250.

Also, once a player on a small market team has a really good year (i.e. Alex Rodriguez), the bigger teams (like the Yankees) buy his contract. The smaller market teams can't compete against the Yankees and thats why they have the most championships (27) out of any sport.

 

[its....JOHN B]

Over mutha fuckin kill on the needs of a pennant winning team

 

[its....JOHN B]

Shit your from Newton ctr so I'm guessing you're a sox fan, look at the 2013 Red Sox, we barely had any of what you just posted

 

[5 Grand]

Shit your from Newton ctr so I'm guessing you're a sox fan, look at the 2013 Red Sox, we barely had any of what you just posted

In baseball its clear that the team that spends the most money wins the most championships.

And the Red Sox are a large market team, maybe not as large as the Yankees but they have more money than most teams. Every Red Sox game I've ever been too was sold out and filled to capacity. I've seen highlights of games in other cities where the stands are empty.

 

[its....JOHN B]

Kansas City had the 16th highest payroll last year

 

[5 Grand]

Are you suggesting that larger market teams don't have an advantage in baseball?

 

[its....JOHN B]

Boston had the 3rd highest psyroll and didn't make the playoffs last year, Yankees had the 2nd and lost to a team with the 29th ranked payroll in the wildcard game, you don't NEED to have the highest payroll to win it, matter fact trying to buy one is proving to be an inefficient way to build a roster, most of the top teams right now aren't even in the top 10 highest payrolls

 

[its....JOHN B]

I don't know why you idiots are overthinking this and posting a bunch of nonsense, it's NBA and it's not close

 

[5 Grand]

So lets get this straight, the Yankees are in the largest market and have 27 championships. I'm not suggesting that correlation means causation, but I do think being in a large market has helped the Yankees. You'd have to be foolish not to believe that.

I don't know why you idiots are overthinking this and posting a bunch of nonsense, it's NBA and it's not close

Why is it the NBA? You haven't made an argument to support your thesis.

 

[its....JOHN B]

It's amazing yall really think it's football, more often than not in the history of the game you need a top tier superstar to even have a chance in the NBA and usually some stars around that star, football is more of a coaches game you don't need a top tier QB to win the superbowl you can win it with a Joe Flacco or most recently Peyton Manning (of 2015-16) as long as you're well coached and have a great defense, you can find all pro type talent in the 4th/5th/6th/7th round and you can find players who can play and be effective without experience right away, NBA it's more of a crap shoot even when you're drafting in the lottery you're drafting a player you hope will turn into a superstar after a few years of experience but more often than not it doesn't happen, in the past 5 years if you didn't have Lebron James on you're not even making it out the east, then you have teams that put superstars together and can barely make the playoffs, then you have teams that are talented and the core has been together for years hoping every year they take it to another level but in reality even making it to a conference final is a long shot, some teams are forever rebuilding, in the NFL a team that nobody saw coming could be a superbowl threat any given year

Are you blind?

 

[its....JOHN B]

Stars had to align in order for the Celtics to win in 08, we aren't a free agent destination I'll admit that I'm hoping that changes in the near future, but sliding to the 5th spot in the draft turned out to be a blessing in disguise even though there were two guys who were considered generational type talents in the draft, one panned out (Durant) and one didn't (Oden), and still almost 10 years later Durant hasn't won anything, but lucky enough Sonics wanted to go into full rebuild mode and trade Ray Allen and only after that move did KG decide he would play in Boston, that got us one, through the 2000's you either had to have Shaq or Duncan for the most part outside of a few years, in the 90's it was Jordan or Hakeem, this decade it's Duncan, Bron or Curry, generational type talents are hard to come by and don't come around often

 

[5 Grand]

So what's the answer?

I'd say baseball. Here's why;

1. You have five starting pitchers that rotate. If you want a championship at least three of them have to be elite.

2. If you want to go to the playoffs/world series you'll need two or three elite closing pitchers to pitch the seventh, eighth and ninth (if necessary) innings .

^^^ Right there that's at least 5 elite pitchers

3. You'll need two left handed batters that bat .300+. Most teams generally have two left handed batters spaced throughout their line up.

4. You'll need an all-star catcher (who bats .300+) that can make a consistent throw from home to second (while squatting) when somebody is trying to steal a base. Your catcher can't let people steal bases.

5. You'll need an offensive player who can get on base and steal bases.

6. The rest of your team has to be solid, there can't be any weak links.

7. If you're an American League team you'll need a DH that bats .300+, if you're a National League team, your pitchers have to bat at least .180.

I forgot #8.

8. A left handed pitcher that can paint the corners

 

[bow to royalty]

I'm still sticking with nfl over NBA. Like you said, having a generational talent is HUGE. If you do land a Bron, that's a deep playoff run each year. No one in the NFL can do that for you. You need to put together a dominant group, and your team is always falling apart because NFL careers are short. Between the Broncos 2 SB's (just 1 year between them) they lost damn near their whole OL, J Thomas, that fat DT that went to WAS I think, Moreno, Decker, anf I forget who else. That's a lot of holes to be constantly filling. NFL GM's need to be constantly getting talent. You're always in rebuild mode and that's harder to me.

Here's an interesting question. No players are signed, and you get to pick your own roster. Someone says they'll give you a million dollars if you can put together a championship team and you get to pick if its an NBA or NFL team. Do you even have to hesitate on which sport's team you're putting together? Most NBA fans can probably do a list off the top of their head and win a ring.

 

[its....JOHN B]

I'm still sticking with nfl over NBA. Like you said, having a generational talent is HUGE. If you do land a Bron, that's a deep playoff run each year. No one in the NFL can do that for you. You need to put together a dominant group, and your team is always falling apart because NFL careers are short. Between the Broncos 2 SB's (just 1 year between them) they lost damn near their whole OL, J Thomas, that fat DT that went to WAS I think, Moreno, Decker, anf I forget who else. That's a lot of holes to be constantly filling. NFL GM's need to be constantly getting talent. You're always in rebuild mode and that's harder to me.

Here's an interesting question. No players are signed, and you get to pick your own roster. Someone says they'll give you a million dollars if you can put together a championship team and you get to pick if its an NBA or NFL team. Do you even have to hesitate on which sport's team you're putting together? Most NBA fans can probably do a list off the top of their head and win a ring.

So 6th round pick Brady hasn't gotten the Pats to the last 5 AFC championships and multiple superbowl appearances? And there was nothing interesting about that question and it doesn't prove any point, matter fact it proves my point because you can put a bunch of stars together and more than likely you're going to win in the NBA and everyone knows it before the season even starts, you can put a bunch of stars together in football and it don't mean shit and it's still anyone's ball game

 

[bow to royalty]

I'm still sticking with nfl over NBA. Like you said, having a generational talent is HUGE. If you do land a Bron, that's a deep playoff run each year. No one in the NFL can do that for you. You need to put together a dominant group, and your team is always falling apart because NFL careers are short. Between the Broncos 2 SB's (just 1 year between them) they lost damn near their whole OL, J Thomas, that fat DT that went to WAS I think, Moreno, Decker, anf I forget who else. That's a lot of holes to be constantly filling. NFL GM's need to be constantly getting talent. You're always in rebuild mode and that's harder to me.

Here's an interesting question. No players are signed, and you get to pick your own roster. Someone says they'll give you a million dollars if you can put together a championship team and you get to pick if its an NBA or NFL team. Do you even have to hesitate on which sport's team you're putting together? Most NBA fans can probably do a list off the top of their head and win a ring.

So 6th round pick Brady hasn't gotten the Pats to the last 5 AFC championships and multiple superbowl appearances? And there was nothing interesting about that question and it doesn't prove any point, matter fact it proves my point because you can put a bunch of stars together and more than likely you're going to win in the NBA and everyone knows it before the season even starts, you can put a bunch of stars together in football and it don't mean shit and it's still anyone's ball game

The Patriots team is legit. Brady is just the face of it. And the point you made is my point. In the NBA if you hit on a couple picks or get a couple FA you're set. Your team is a winner. In the NFL you're always rebuilding, so you're not ever really set.

And building around a player is important too. If 6th round pick (and arguably GOAT QB) Brady had gone to the Browns, Chiefs, Titans, etc. there's a decent chance he never even becomes someone noteworthy. Hell, with a less clutch kicker Brady may not be in the convo because he doesn't win all those SB's. In the NFL GM's have to fill 22 starting jobs. Then add to that depth players, special teams specialists, slot receivers, nickel backs. That's the harder job to me.

 

[bow to royalty]

Once the playoffs start in the NFL. Anybody can win

The Giants won two super bowls and didn't even make it the playoffs the year before they won it. And they won it as a the last seed.

Any given Sunday

Cosign. They were wildcard teams and won the Super Bowl. And the Patriots were undefeated one of those years.

In football, all you have to do is make the playoffs and you can win a Superbowl. You can be 10-6 or 11-5 and have a realistic chance of winning it all.

In basketball there's too many seven game series' to get lucky.

Baseball there's too many games period (162) to get lucky, only the best teams make the playoffs.

The answer is football, if you have an above average team and a lot of heart you can win a Super Bowl.

Eli has two rings but otherwise doesn't have any stats that suggest he's a GOAT.

Wild card doesn't mean anything except you didn't win your division. You could still have a better record than division winners.

That 11-5 record you're mocking as a sorry record for a championship contender, is the same record the Cavs have this year down to the game basically.

 

[nujerz84]

Once the playoffs start in the NFL. Anybody can win

The Giants won two super bowls and didn't even make it the playoffs the year before they won it. And they won it as a the last seed.

Any given Sunday

Cosign. They were wildcard teams and won the Super Bowl. And the Patriots were undefeated one of those years.

In football, all you have to do is make the playoffs and you can win a Superbowl. You can be 10-6 or 11-5 and have a realistic chance of winning it all.

In basketball there's too many seven game series' to get lucky.

Baseball there's too many games period (162) to get lucky, only the best teams make the playoffs.

The answer is football, if you have an above average team and a lot of heart you can win a Super Bowl.

Eli has two rings but otherwise doesn't have any stats that suggest he's a GOAT.

Wild card doesn't mean anything except you didn't win your division. You could still have a better record than division winners.

That 11-5 record you're mocking as a sorry record for a championship contender, is the same record the Cavs have this year down to the game basically.

I go further usually 11-5 is enough to win a division. Its equivilant to 55 wins in NBA.

 

[5 Grand]

Wild Card means your playing on the road for the entire playoffs.

An 10-6 or 11-5 team is gonna be on the road for the divisional playoffs and the AFC/NFC Championship.

Anyway, my point is that a team that barely made the playoffs can win a Super Bowl. That doesn't happen in basketball or baseball.

When's the last time a 7th or 8th seed won a championship in basketball? or even made it to the championship?