G&S Debate challenege. Edward Snowden: Hero or traitor

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[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

The result of his action is weakening the alredy weakened diplomatic impact of his country. He signed up for this. When you serve your flag you are not an individual anymore, you become your country.

Yeah its a hard dilemma sometimes. Some of the german generals werent agreeing with the NAZI ideology. Yet they did their job, fighting for their country i.e Jodel.

lol @ snowden hurting america's diplomacy image and not the fact that they started a war over a lie or how they love to invade countries/start wars hurting their image, are y'all serious?

You as a canadian can criticize the US. Snowden ,by being a soldier, chose to SERVE and DIE for the US interests.

That s the main difference.

serving your country i believe includes saving it from itself. tyranny unchecked is still tryanny. if someone like him who actually knew what was going on does not stand up for what is right or to say this is wrong, then who will ever do that?

i don't like this attitude in america that if you criticize it in anyway you're unpatriotic all of a sudden. this country is going to hell in a handbasket because of jingoism

Its up to you CITIZENS to act and react not soldiers whatever their rank is. Its a universal military value. Snowden was a soldier not a civilian.

By the way who wasnt aware that our devices were checked?

oh so it isnt the military's job to protect its own people?

Fuck kind of logic is that

You got the police the Fbi the marshalls the CIA for that. Snowden is a proof of the dilema of serving your country during hardships.

He opend his mouth. So what in the end? We are and will still be under surveillance.

Thus his actions had only a choc value imo.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

bet the GOP never thought the Patriot Act would come back to bite them in the ass...

explain

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

The result of his action is weakening the alredy weakened diplomatic impact of his country. He signed up for this. When you serve your flag you are not an individual anymore, you become your country.

Yeah its a hard dilemma sometimes. Some of the german generals werent agreeing with the NAZI ideology. Yet they did their job, fighting for their country i.e Jodel.

lol @ snowden hurting america's diplomacy image and not the fact that they started a war over a lie or how they love to invade countries/start wars hurting their image, are y'all serious?

You as a canadian can criticize the US. Snowden ,by being a soldier, chose to SERVE and DIE for the US interests.

That s the main difference.

serving your country i believe includes saving it from itself. tyranny unchecked is still tryanny. if someone like him who actually knew what was going on does not stand up for what is right or to say this is wrong, then who will ever do that?

i don't like this attitude in america that if you criticize it in anyway you're unpatriotic all of a sudden. this country is going to hell in a handbasket because of jingoism

Its up to you CITIZENS to act and react not soldiers whatever their rank is. Its a universal military value. Snowden was a soldier not a civilian.

By the way who wasnt aware that our devices were checked?

oh so it isnt the military's job to protect its own people?

Fuck kind of logic is that

You got the police the Fbi the marshalls the CIA for that. Snowden is a proof of the dilema of serving your country during hardships.

He opend his mouth. So what in the end? We are and will still be under surveillance.

Thus his actions had only a choc value imo.

wait so you blindly believe everything the FBI and CIA tells you?

the fbi and cia bruh?

 

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[Chi Snow]

He's a treacherous hero

 

[Chi Snow]

and a heroic traitor

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

yo jamel u being an ex soldier and all, do you agree with what lemzola's sayin or nah

 

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[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

The result of his action is weakening the alredy weakened diplomatic impact of his country. He signed up for this. When you serve your flag you are not an individual anymore, you become your country.

Yeah its a hard dilemma sometimes. Some of the german generals werent agreeing with the NAZI ideology. Yet they did their job, fighting for their country i.e Jodel.

lol @ snowden hurting america's diplomacy image and not the fact that they started a war over a lie or how they love to invade countries/start wars hurting their image, are y'all serious?

You as a canadian can criticize the US. Snowden ,by being a soldier, chose to SERVE and DIE for the US interests.

That s the main difference.

He wasn't a solider first of all, he was an intelligence contractor and even if he was a soldier, his allegiance is to the citizens and the constitution both of which are under attack, not anyone in the government or the government itself.

Second he never gave the information to American enemies, he made information available to our media. It's one thing to sell information for profit like double agent spies it's another to tell the media for no profit to yourself.

His task was to work and SHUT THE FUCK UP. Media is a weapon bruh sad you re not aware of it.

@sanchez its easy to sit at home and criticize those who die and get wounded for you to be safe. Also that children shooting argument to raise feelings has no effect on me.

As i said its a dilemma to serve in the military and secret services. Its not an easy job. However, leaking infos is a no go.

 

[a.mann]

of relevance.....

:-B

The Patriot Act

The Patriot Act is a U.S. antiterrorism law that was passed in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks. Generally, the law is designed to enhance the powers of state and federal law enforcement agencies when dealing with terrorists. The act has 10 titles in all.

Title I of the Patriot Act establishes, among other things, federal funding for antiterrorism investigation and security, authorization for the creation of an electronic crime task force, presidential authority to confiscate the property of foreigners who have engaged in war with the United States, and the possibility of presenting this confiscated property as secret evidence in court.

Title II explains what law enforcement agencies are allowed to do to obtain information related to possible terror threats and terrorists' activities. This section establishes several new options for agents in pursuit of suspected terrorists:

Investigators may employ "roving surveillance," which means that a suspect's phone (or other communication) can be tapped wherever he or she is. Previous laws required a separate warrant for each line and location.

Law enforcement agencies can share any intercepted information with federal authorities if it pertains to possible terrorist threats.

Communication service providers (such as Internet service providers) can be required to provide the government with information about customers' activities.

Homes or other premises may be searched without the suspect's knowledge or presence, with the search warrant can be presented after the fact.

Each of these sections of the Patriot Act focuses on a particular topic:

Title III has provisions to limit money laundering and funding of terrorist organizations.

Title IV strengthens border security and allows the government to ban or monitor certain foreigners.

Title V makes National Security Letters (NSL), which demand the release of paperwork and information about a suspect, much more potent.

Title VI offers compensation to terror victims and their families.

Title VII outlines the necessary funding and authorization for different law enforcement agencies to share information.

Title VIII adds mass transit attacks, computer hacking and other acts to the list of crimes that are considered terrorism.

Title IX outlines how government agencies will share information.

Title X contains the remaining miscellaneous issues of the act.

 

[Copper]

Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

The result of his action is weakening the alredy weakened diplomatic impact of his country. He signed up for this. When you serve your flag you are not an individual anymore, you become your country.

Yeah its a hard dilemma sometimes. Some of the german generals werent agreeing with the NAZI ideology. Yet they did their job, fighting for their country i.e Jodel.

Worst fucking example ever....for more than one reason...

And lol @ at it hurting diplomatic impact

Ain't u french nigga?

Yet you didnt give one of those fucking reason.

Thats why being in the military is not for everyone. We chose to make the ultimate sacrifoce in the name of our countries. We are not cityzens, we are the STATE REASON. . You cityzens can judge, but we sodiers not.

We follow instructions. The only thing i would never do is firing at my own people.

U need a reason as to why putting men, women and kids in ovens is a horrible order that should be ignored

 

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[rip.dilla]

The NSA were the bad guys in that movie Enemy Of The State

Tony Scott (rip) foresaw this shit 15 years ago ..

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

The result of his action is weakening the alredy weakened diplomatic impact of his country. He signed up for this. When you serve your flag you are not an individual anymore, you become your country.

Yeah its a hard dilemma sometimes. Some of the german generals werent agreeing with the NAZI ideology. Yet they did their job, fighting for their country i.e Jodel.

lol @ snowden hurting america's diplomacy image and not the fact that they started a war over a lie or how they love to invade countries/start wars hurting their image, are y'all serious?

You as a canadian can criticize the US. Snowden ,by being a soldier, chose to SERVE and DIE for the US interests.

That s the main difference.

He wasn't a solider first of all, he was an intelligence contractor and even if he was a soldier, his allegiance is to the citizens and the constitution both of which are under attack, not anyone in the government or the government itself.

Second he never gave the information to American enemies, he made information available to our media. It's one thing to sell information for profit like double agent spies it's another to tell the media for no profit to yourself.

His task was to work and SHUT THE FUCK UP. Media is a weapon bruh sad you re not aware of it.

@sanchez its easy to sit at home and criticize those who die and get wounded for you to be safe. Also that children shooting argument to raise feelings has no effect on me.

As i said its a dilemma to serve in the military and secret services. Its not an easy job. However, leaking infos is a no go.

wtf u talkin bout "its easy to sit at home and criticize those who die and get wounded for you to be safe"

i dont agree with the way YOU think, not many other soldiers.. shit i mean if the government wasnt greedy for oil we wouldnt need all this "fighting for your freedom" bullshit we got going on now.

leaking info to the citizens letting them know they arent safe cause of their own government is a heroic act.

citizens >>>

 

[Copper]

Lol @ villafying someone that brought the treacherous governments actions into light

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

The result of his action is weakening the alredy weakened diplomatic impact of his country. He signed up for this. When you serve your flag you are not an individual anymore, you become your country.

Yeah its a hard dilemma sometimes. Some of the german generals werent agreeing with the NAZI ideology. Yet they did their job, fighting for their country i.e Jodel.

Worst fucking example ever....for more than one reason...

And lol @ at it hurting diplomatic impact

Ain't u french nigga?

Yet you didnt give one of those fucking reason.

Thats why being in the military is not for everyone. We chose to make the ultimate sacrifoce in the name of our countries. We are not cityzens, we are the STATE REASON. . You cityzens can judge, but we sodiers not.

We follow instructions. The only thing i would never do is firing at my own people.

U need a reason as to why putting men, women and kids in ovens is a horrible order that should be ignored

Bruh its another subject . No derail please. We are talking about the dilema of serving and defending your country.

And i betta not see you make some jokes on jews this year. I was the only one to got at REX for his nazi outfit thread. I didnt see yoy react there.

Have you been deployed in the battlefield?

If no so you cannot understand that dilemma notion.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

hugo boss made that outfit though

 

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[Copper]

Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

The result of his action is weakening the alredy weakened diplomatic impact of his country. He signed up for this. When you serve your flag you are not an individual anymore, you become your country.

Yeah its a hard dilemma sometimes. Some of the german generals werent agreeing with the NAZI ideology. Yet they did their job, fighting for their country i.e Jodel.

Worst fucking example ever....for more than one reason...

And lol @ at it hurting diplomatic impact

Ain't u french nigga?

Yet you didnt give one of those fucking reason.

Thats why being in the military is not for everyone. We chose to make the ultimate sacrifoce in the name of our countries. We are not cityzens, we are the STATE REASON. . You cityzens can judge, but we sodiers not.

We follow instructions. The only thing i would never do is firing at my own people.

U need a reason as to why putting men, women and kids in ovens is a horrible order that should be ignored

Bruh its another subject . No derail please. We are talking about the dilema of serving and defending your country.

And i betta not see you make some jokes on jews this year. I was the only one to got at REX for his nazi outfit thread. I didnt see yoy react there.

Have you been deployed in the battlefield?

If no so you cannot understand that dilemma notion.

Bruh u don't follow orders blindly was my point. You brought up the Nazis and made the comparison... and simply bc I font defend Jews doesn't mean I'd be OK with executing them for being Jewish...I'm not a honkie

And your french...you pussies lift your skirts for the enemy in every war...y'all don't bust your guns