G&S Debate challenege. Edward Snowden: Hero or traitor

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Copper;6595755 said:
lemzola;6595662 said:
Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

The result of his action is weakening the alredy weakened diplomatic impact of his country. He signed up for this. When you serve your flag you are not an individual anymore, you become your country.

Yeah its a hard dilemma sometimes. Some of the german generals werent agreeing with the NAZI ideology. Yet they did their job, fighting for their country i.e Jodel.

 
Joker Soprano;6595782 said:
Dirty Sanchez;6595685 said:
pralims;6595657 said:
Dirty Sanchez;6595644 said:
lol @ anyone calling him a traitor..

smh, dude came with proof how the american government aint shit

but all countries aint shit...an he is a triator

pretty sure america is top 3 most hated country at this very moment.

yall just dont realize that shit, its not that people hate americans.. its that people hate the fucking american government, always policing the world and shit, yet they cant even fix detroit

seems legit

So you're saying...America is hated because we keep punking niggas. Ok

Yeah, like oscar grant and trayvon martin.
 
lemzola;6595784 said:
Copper;6595755 said:
lemzola;6595662 said:
Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

The result of his action is weakening the alredy weakened diplomatic impact of his country. He signed up for this. When you serve your flag you are not an individual anymore, you become your country.

Yeah its a hard dilemma sometimes. Some of the german generals werent agreeing with the NAZI ideology. Yet they did their job, fighting for their country i.e Jodel.

ur in the french army though

we all remember
 
kai;6595795 said:
lemzola;6595784 said:
Copper;6595755 said:
lemzola;6595662 said:
Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

The result of his action is weakening the alredy weakened diplomatic impact of his country. He signed up for this. When you serve your flag you are not an individual anymore, you become your country.

Yeah its a hard dilemma sometimes. Some of the german generals werent agreeing with the NAZI ideology. Yet they did their job, fighting for their country i.e Jodel.

lol @ snowden hurting america's diplomacy image and not the fact that they started a war over a lie or how they love to invade countries/start wars hurting their image, are y'all serious?

You as a canadian can criticize the US. Snowden ,by being a soldier, chose to SERVE and DIE for the US interests.

That s the main difference.

 
kai;6595809 said:
Dirty Sanchez;6595740 said:
mryounggun;6595727 said:
I think it's commendable that people view him as a hero. But that only hold up if you look at this actions at the surface level. What seemed like 'whistleblowing' and 'heroics' actually put the entire American way of life in jeopardy.

In a few different ways...

Wikileaks has made this country far less secure than it was a year ago, as a number of different terror groups are already changing up their methods of communication based on the leak. How can a man who gives terror groups the world over - groups that would love nothing more than to kill Anericans - an insight into how our government is m

terrorists are hyped up by the american government so they can control people with fear..

smh @ actually believing some super terrorist ninja's exist

i heard the statement by someone of the government say "we spied on millions of people but we prevented like thousands of terrorist attacks"

never gave any proof, just said that.. and people will believe it as a fact smh.

sheep

also, i would think the wars in Afghanistan/iraq have created more terrorists than it has stopped. like the way to stop terrorists is not to drone innocent people and children.

seen it on the news few days back a drone just dropped a bomb on some civilians again..

i was surprised it even made the news tho the fuck

lol @ being called a terrorist when your whole family was killed for no reason and your country is now one big ass prison (palestina).. shit i'd fight the fuck back too
 
Dirty Sanchez;6595796 said:
lemzola;6595784 said:
Copper;6595755 said:
lemzola;6595662 said:
Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

The result of his action is weakening the alredy weakened diplomatic impact of his country. He signed up for this. When you serve your flag you are not an individual anymore, you become your country.

Yeah its a hard dilemma sometimes. Some of the german generals werent agreeing with the NAZI ideology. Yet they did their job, fighting for their country i.e Jodel.

ur in the french army though

we all remember

Yes Sanchez. And if i catch a French Snowden on his way to divulge top secrets info i ll put a bullet in his head.

 
lemzola;6595824 said:
Dirty Sanchez;6595796 said:
lemzola;6595784 said:
Copper;6595755 said:
lemzola;6595662 said:
Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

The result of his action is weakening the alredy weakened diplomatic impact of his country. He signed up for this. When you serve your flag you are not an individual anymore, you become your country.

Yeah its a hard dilemma sometimes. Some of the german generals werent agreeing with the NAZI ideology. Yet they did their job, fighting for their country i.e Jodel.

ur in the french army though

we all remember

Yes Sanchez. And if i catch a French Snowden on his way to divulge top secrets info i ll put a bullet in his head.

so in your eyes Government/military >>> your own citizens.
 
lemzola;6595784 said:
Copper;6595755 said:
lemzola;6595662 said:
Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

The result of his action is weakening the alredy weakened diplomatic impact of his country. He signed up for this. When you serve your flag you are not an individual anymore, you become your country.

Yeah its a hard dilemma sometimes. Some of the german generals werent agreeing with the NAZI ideology. Yet they did their job, fighting for their country i.e Jodel.

Worst fucking example ever....for more than one reason...

And lol @ at it hurting diplomatic impact

Ain't u french nigga?
 
lemzola;6595824 said:
Dirty Sanchez;6595796 said:
lemzola;6595784 said:
Copper;6595755 said:
lemzola;6595662 said:
Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

The result of his action is weakening the alredy weakened diplomatic impact of his country. He signed up for this. When you serve your flag you are not an individual anymore, you become your country.

Yeah its a hard dilemma sometimes. Some of the german generals werent agreeing with the NAZI ideology. Yet they did their job, fighting for their country i.e Jodel.

ur in the french army though

we all remember

Yes Sanchez. And if i catch a French Snowden on his way to divulge top secrets info i ll put a bullet in his head.

France.... Fuck Yeah!!!

 
kai;6595834 said:
lemzola;6595811 said:
kai;6595795 said:
lemzola;6595784 said:
Copper;6595755 said:
lemzola;6595662 said:
Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

The result of his action is weakening the alredy weakened diplomatic impact of his country. He signed up for this. When you serve your flag you are not an individual anymore, you become your country.

Yeah its a hard dilemma sometimes. Some of the german generals werent agreeing with the NAZI ideology. Yet they did their job, fighting for their country i.e Jodel.

lol @ snowden hurting america's diplomacy image and not the fact that they started a war over a lie or how they love to invade countries/start wars hurting their image, are y'all serious?

You as a canadian can criticize the US. Snowden ,by being a soldier, chose to SERVE and DIE for the US interests.

That s the main difference.

serving your country i believe includes saving it from itself. tyranny unchecked is still tryanny. if someone like him who actually knew what was going on does not stand up for what is right or to say this is wrong, then who will ever do that?

i don't like this attitude in america that if you criticize it in anyway you're unpatriotic all of a sudden. this country is going to hell in a handbasket because of jingoism

Its up to you CITIZENS to act and react not soldiers whatever their rank is. Its a universal military value. Snowden was a soldier not a civilian.

By the way who wasnt aware that our devices were checked?

 
lemzola;6595860 said:
kai;6595834 said:
lemzola;6595811 said:
kai;6595795 said:
lemzola;6595784 said:
Copper;6595755 said:
lemzola;6595662 said:
Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

The result of his action is weakening the alredy weakened diplomatic impact of his country. He signed up for this. When you serve your flag you are not an individual anymore, you become your country.

Yeah its a hard dilemma sometimes. Some of the german generals werent agreeing with the NAZI ideology. Yet they did their job, fighting for their country i.e Jodel.

lol @ snowden hurting america's diplomacy image and not the fact that they started a war over a lie or how they love to invade countries/start wars hurting their image, are y'all serious?

You as a canadian can criticize the US. Snowden ,by being a soldier, chose to SERVE and DIE for the US interests.

That s the main difference.

serving your country i believe includes saving it from itself. tyranny unchecked is still tryanny. if someone like him who actually knew what was going on does not stand up for what is right or to say this is wrong, then who will ever do that?

i don't like this attitude in america that if you criticize it in anyway you're unpatriotic all of a sudden. this country is going to hell in a handbasket because of jingoism

Its up to you CITIZENS to act and react not soldiers whatever their rank is. Its a universal military value. Snowden was a soldier not a civilian.

By the way who wasnt aware that our devices were checked?

oh so it isnt the military's job to protect its own people?

Fuck kind of logic is that
 
Copper;6595831 said:
lemzola;6595784 said:
Copper;6595755 said:
lemzola;6595662 said:
Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

The result of his action is weakening the alredy weakened diplomatic impact of his country. He signed up for this. When you serve your flag you are not an individual anymore, you become your country.

Yeah its a hard dilemma sometimes. Some of the german generals werent agreeing with the NAZI ideology. Yet they did their job, fighting for their country i.e Jodel.

Worst fucking example ever....for more than one reason...

And lol @ at it hurting diplomatic impact

Ain't u french nigga?

Yet you didnt give one of those fucking reason.

Thats why being in the military is not for everyone. We chose to make the ultimate sacrifoce in the name of our countries. We are not cityzens, we are the STATE REASON. . You cityzens can judge, but we sodiers not.

We follow instructions. The only thing i would never do is firing at my own people.

 
lemzola;6595880 said:
Copper;6595831 said:
lemzola;6595784 said:
Copper;6595755 said:
lemzola;6595662 said:
Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

The result of his action is weakening the alredy weakened diplomatic impact of his country. He signed up for this. When you serve your flag you are not an individual anymore, you become your country.

Yeah its a hard dilemma sometimes. Some of the german generals werent agreeing with the NAZI ideology. Yet they did their job, fighting for their country i.e Jodel.

Worst fucking example ever....for more than one reason...

And lol @ at it hurting diplomatic impact

Ain't u french nigga?

Yet you didnt give one of those fucking reason.

Thats why being in the military is not for everyone. We chose to make the ultimate sacrifoce in the name of our countries. We are not cityzens, we are the STATE REASON. . You cityzens can judge, but we sodiers not.

We follow instructions. The only thing i would never do is firing at my own people.

so you'd kill little children and innocent women cause your government tells you so?

you brainwashed mofukka's are on some next level faggotry with your lame ass logic
 
Copper;6595755 said:
lemzola;6595662 said:
Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

the reason i couldnt make a career out the military. did one enlistment and got out.. Couldnt stand that do as your told shit. FOH I got a brain for a reason
 
lemzola;6595811 said:
kai;6595795 said:
lemzola;6595784 said:
Copper;6595755 said:
lemzola;6595662 said:
Traitor to the USA. Hero to USA 's enemies.

He is a soldier. Soldiers dont betray their country no matter what. Soldiers dont dive in politics. Thats why being a soldier is so special.

Snowden knows it. So he must pay to his fuckery.

A.Q.A.

( always question authority )

And never follow orders blindly...simply bc its what's expected of you

The result of his action is weakening the alredy weakened diplomatic impact of his country. He signed up for this. When you serve your flag you are not an individual anymore, you become your country.

Yeah its a hard dilemma sometimes. Some of the german generals werent agreeing with the NAZI ideology. Yet they did their job, fighting for their country i.e Jodel.

lol @ snowden hurting america's diplomacy image and not the fact that they started a war over a lie or how they love to invade countries/start wars hurting their image, are y'all serious?

You as a canadian can criticize the US. Snowden ,by being a soldier, chose to SERVE and DIE for the US interests.

That s the main difference.

He wasn't a solider first of all, he was an intelligence contractor and even if he was a soldier, his allegiance is to the citizens and the constitution both of which are under attack, not anyone in the government or the government itself.

Second he never gave the information to American enemies, he made information available to our media. It's one thing to sell information for profit like double agent spies it's another to tell the media for no profit to yourself.

 

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