From are athiest standpoint how do you explain proverbs and Ecclesiastes

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There is wisdom within the human race and therefore I would expect to find some of the wisdom in any religious text. However there is nothing in them that seems to exceed the knowledge that would be possessed when the works originated.
 
Morality exists independent of religion, so while these texts do have some good tidbits in them they are not necessary.
 
reading those books without god is like eating pizza with no cheese, you cannot get the real taste nor grasps the real meaning.
 
zombie;6905646 said:
reading those books without god is like eating pizza with no cheese, you cannot get the real taste nor grasps the real meaning.

I want to believe in God but there is a lot of shit that makes no sense.
 
Authentic100;6907467 said:
zombie;6905646 said:
reading those books without god is like eating pizza with no cheese, you cannot get the real taste nor grasps the real meaning.

I want to believe in God but there is a lot of shit that makes no sense.

No worries, believers tell themselves and other that to make themselves feel better and others feel worse. You don't need the god of the bible to gain understanding from it.
 
Authentic100;6907467 said:
zombie;6905646 said:
reading those books without god is like eating pizza with no cheese, you cannot get the real taste nor grasps the real meaning.

I want to believe in God but there is a lot of shit that makes no sense.

No one can understand everything and many things people just refuse to accept.
 
CynicalAndEbert;6909285 said:
Authentic100;6907467 said:
zombie;6905646 said:
reading those books without god is like eating pizza with no cheese, you cannot get the real taste nor grasps the real meaning.

I want to believe in God but there is a lot of shit that makes no sense.

No worries, believers tell themselves and other that to make themselves feel better and others feel worse. You don't need the god of the bible to gain understanding from it.

If you do not believe in god you won't get the fullness of what those scriptures are saying
 
zombie;6909703 said:
CynicalAndEbert;6909285 said:
Authentic100;6907467 said:
zombie;6905646 said:
reading those books without god is like eating pizza with no cheese, you cannot get the real taste nor grasps the real meaning.

I want to believe in God but there is a lot of shit that makes no sense.

No worries, believers tell themselves and other that to make themselves feel better and others feel worse. You don't need the god of the bible to gain understanding from it.

If you do not believe in god you won't get the fullness of what those scriptures are saying

It's a wonder then why I've gotten more out of the bible since not believing in the god of the bible. You'd think it'd be the other way around.

 
What is funny to me about atheism in the US is that they, for the most part, base their negative perception And denial of a creator solely on the judeo christian perception of god. Like they're the only ones who could have possibly been able to have feasible opinions on a transcendent being that all walks of life of all ages have had their own opinion about.
 
CynicalAndEbert;6918011 said:
zombie;6909703 said:
CynicalAndEbert;6909285 said:
Authentic100;6907467 said:
zombie;6905646 said:
reading those books without god is like eating pizza with no cheese, you cannot get the real taste nor grasps the real meaning.

I want to believe in God but there is a lot of shit that makes no sense.

No worries, believers tell themselves and other that to make themselves feel better and others feel worse. You don't need the god of the bible to gain understanding from it.

If you do not believe in god you won't get the fullness of what those scriptures are saying

It's a wonder then why I've gotten more out of the bible since not believing in the god of the bible. You'd think it'd be the other way around.

I sure would like to know what this means.

 
The True Flesh;6920722 said:
CynicalAndEbert;6918011 said:
zombie;6909703 said:
CynicalAndEbert;6909285 said:
Authentic100;6907467 said:
zombie;6905646 said:
reading those books without god is like eating pizza with no cheese, you cannot get the real taste nor grasps the real meaning.

I want to believe in God but there is a lot of shit that makes no sense.

No worries, believers tell themselves and other that to make themselves feel better and others feel worse. You don't need the god of the bible to gain understanding from it.

If you do not believe in god you won't get the fullness of what those scriptures are saying

It's a wonder then why I've gotten more out of the bible since not believing in the god of the bible. You'd think it'd be the other way around.

I sure would like to know what this means.

I've learned more from the bible since not believing in the god of the bible than when I did believe in the god of the bible.
 
Meroe;6920479 said:
What is funny to me about atheism in the US is that they, for the most part, base their negative perception And denial of a creator solely on the judeo christian perception of god. Like they're the only ones who could have possibly been able to have feasible opinions on a transcendent being that all walks of life of all ages have had their own opinion about.

Most of the U.S. religious population adheres to Judeo Christian beliefs. American atheists probably don't feel the need to base their denial on a belief they typically don't come across in every day life. Also, the Abrahamic version of God is the number one interpretation of god for the modern world.
 
CynicalAndEbert;6920824 said:
The True Flesh;6920722 said:
CynicalAndEbert;6918011 said:
zombie;6909703 said:
CynicalAndEbert;6909285 said:
Authentic100;6907467 said:
zombie;6905646 said:
reading those books without god is like eating pizza with no cheese, you cannot get the real taste nor grasps the real meaning.

I want to believe in God but there is a lot of shit that makes no sense.

No worries, believers tell themselves and other that to make themselves feel better and others feel worse. You don't need the god of the bible to gain understanding from it.

If you do not believe in god you won't get the fullness of what those scriptures are saying

It's a wonder then why I've gotten more out of the bible since not believing in the god of the bible. You'd think it'd be the other way around.

I sure would like to know what this means.

I've learned more from the bible since not believing in the god of the bible than when I did believe in the god of the bible.

Me too..
 
When you are no longer clinging to a particular belief that causes the sort of bias that inhibits a wider perspective on something, you gain more from it. To use zombie's example, a biased person may read the book and eat one slice only because his mind (or for the purpose of analogy), his appetite will not allow him to eat more. However, a person who reads the book objectively can eat more because they have a bigger appetite, or a more open mind.
 

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