Former BART officer convicted of involuntary manslaughter.

[janklow]

For you to close my thread, makes it appear that you are white-racist or just someone who hates Blacks---and got pissed because I went hard at that element here...please tell me that's not the case, sir. Because closing my thread was 'a peculiar' move indeed.

(sigh) i close a redundant thread and have you immediately claiming it's all due to racism despite the fact that both times i posted to tell you the reason. it's not "peculiar," it's explained. there's no "hijack" to in this thread about the event about the event in question.

So please understand that I'm here to discuss issues-----not play silly games.

this i will also dispute.

 

[shootemwon]

I've been critical of janklow in the past, but this thread belongs in the Social Lounge, not R&R. While race is a major factor here, the criminal justice system's constant free passes for law enforcement officers illustrate a disturbing attitude that considers cops to be above the law.

While it isn't always practiced in our justice system, the idea of nobody being above the law is a very important value that a sophisticated society should strive for. That being the case, this is a larger political and social issue, not strictly a racial matter.

 

[DarcSkies777]

You're saying that cop HAD INTENTIONALLY want to kill dude. That he got to the BART station and made up in his mind that he was going to pop nigga.

Pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger (and dont give me the "he thought it was a tazer bullshit...pick up a gun...and pick up a tazer...see if you cant tell the difference with ya eyes closed) is INTENT. Period. If I shoot somebody in to torso 4-feet away from them I was trying to kill them. Period.

And why is a pig intentionally murdering a black man so outside of the realm of possibility with you? Are you really that fuckin blind? Serious? YOu seriously put that past a pig? If you...I hope you have the same encounter and survive. We'll see how "understanding" your ass is then.

The jury just didnt want to take any shit from blacks and wanted to pacify the negros and at the same time look like they did something justified. Typical cracker bullshit. Im surprised he was convicted at all to be honest.

 

[shootemwon]

Pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger (and dont give me the "he thought it was a tazer bullshit...pick up a gun...and pick up a tazer...see if you cant tell the difference with ya eyes closed) is INTENT. Period. If I shoot somebody in to torso 4-feet away from them I was trying to kill them. Period.

And why is a pig intentionally murdering a black man so outside of the realm of possibility with you? Are you really that fuckin blind? Serious? YOu seriously put that past a pig? If you...I hope you have the same encounter and survive. We'll see how "understanding" your ass is then.

The jury just didnt want to take any shit from blacks and wanted to pacify the negros and at the same time look like they did something justified. Typical cracker bullshit. Im surprised he was convicted at all to be honest.

The argument that it was an accident is so ridiculous that anyone who believes it was accidental need only imagine that the murderer was anything other than a cop. EVEN WITH THE RACISM INVOLVED IN THIS CASE, I'm certain the jury would have found themselves compelled to convict Mehserle of murder if he had any other profession. In fact, had it been the trial of Johannes Mehserle, electrician, or Johannes Mehserle, IT Specialist, or Johannes Mehserle, car mechanic, rather than Johannes Mehserle, BART Cop, they might have gone even farther than Second Degree Murder. It wouldn't be too much of a leap to argue that the murder was premeditated and planned, since he essentially rendered Grant incapable of movement and then EXECUTED him by gunshot.

The skin color of the victim gave racists everywhere, including the jury, a reason to presume that the victim had it coming, but even if the victim had been white, the cop would still get off easy compared to anyone else who is caught on film EXECUTING a human being, just cause he's a cop. People would say "Well, I think he feels just awful about what he did. He's definitely guilty of involuntary manslaughter, but we can't convict him of murder. I mean, he's a cop, so I'm sure he didn't intend to do something so awful. Besides, if we convict this guy of murder, then the next time we need help from the police, they won't want to step in and save us because they might get in trouble if someone gets hurt. We have to give this guy a break. After all, police officers are the ones who put their lives on the line every day to keep communities safe." The irony of believing that this guy was out there trying to keep the community safe, even though he just brutally executed a citizen, will be lost on them.

 

[DarcSkies777]

The argument that it was an accident is so ridiculous that anyone who believes it was accidental need only imagine that the murderer was anything other than a cop. EVEN WITH THE RACISM INVOLVED IN THIS CASE, I'm certain the jury would have found themselves compelled to convict Mehserle of murder if he had any other profession. In fact, had it been the trial of Johannes Mehserle, electrician, or Johannes Mehserle, IT Specialist, or Johannes Mehserle, car mechanic, rather than Johannes Mehserle, BART Cop, they might have gone even farther than Second Degree Murder. It wouldn't be too much of a leap to argue that the murder was premeditated and planned, since he essentially rendered Grant incapable of movement and then EXECUTED him by gunshot.

The skin color of the victim gave racists everywhere, including the jury, a reason to presume that the victim had it coming, but even if the victim had been white, the cop would still get off easy compared to anyone else who is caught on film EXECUTING a human being, just cause he's a cop. People would say "Well, I think he feels just awful about what he did. He's definitely guilty of involuntary manslaughter, but we can't convict him of murder. I mean, he's a cop, so I'm sure he didn't intend to do something so awful. Besides, if we convict this guy of murder, then the next time we need help from the police, they won't want to step in and save us because they might get in trouble if someone gets hurt. We have to give this guy a break. After all, police officers are the ones who put their lives on the line every day to keep communities safe." The irony of believing that this guy was out there trying to keep the community safe, even though he just brutally executed a citizen, will be lost on them.

Pretty much summed up my thoughts.

I'd have added more curse words and the liberal use of the word "cracker" but yea....thats exactly how I feel about it.

 

[shootemwon]

Pretty much summed up my thoughts.

I'd have added more curse words and the liberal use of the word "cracker" but yea....thats exactly how I feel about it.

I may need to seek your counsel nh. Despite being very white my entire life, I'm feeling a great deal of contempt for crackers myself over this.

 

[busayo]

How do you confuse a Tazer with a Handgun?

This is bullshit.

sounds right...

 

[janklow]

yey, and Hitler disputed how The Jews had a Right to live, so...

you know the most mature thing to do in any debate is just to yell "YOU'RE HITLER," i see. clearly there's no stupid games at work.

(and dont give me the "he thought it was a tazer bullshit...pick up a gun...and pick up a tazer...see if you cant tell the difference with ya eyes closed)

i wrote a thing about this in the last thread on this topic, and i remember the argument being that the taser they use being so gun-like as to fool someone... and then, if you saw or handled both the taser in question and the handgun in question, well, you'd know how ridiculous this claim is.

 

[edeeesq]

So now I can walk up to unarmed people, wait for my friends to jump them and hold them down THEN shoot em? And I can call it an accident and do involuntary manslaughter time?

SWEET!! *begins making lists*

*Realizes these rules wouldn't apply to me*

*crumbles up list and grumbles out of the room*

Two questions that have stuck out for me throughout this entire case

1) why would he have needed to be tased in the first place?

2) Where would this case be if it had not been videotaped?