"Even if I say yes, it doesn't mean I mean yes" - Feminists

[deadeye]

Angela Davis is a dyke... Why would a straight woman be inspired by a douchebag? What could she possibly have to say about feminity when she ain't even a real woman herself?

I don't know whether Angela Davis is a dyke or not....but a lot of feminist doctrine is being pushed by dykes who have a vitriolic hatred for men.

Most of their jargon seems to focus on male-bashing more than anything else.

 

[Iheart~Cali]

Independent of equal pay/workplace equality and suffrage and all that good stuff..I'm not exactly in love with feminism.

 

[LUClEN]

Independent of equal pay/workplace equality and suffrage and all that good stuff..I'm not exactly in love with feminism.

What about abortion rights, alimony, custody rights, lighter prison sentences, subsidized childcare, consent laws, and gender spheres?

 

[desertrain10]

Smh

We are all guilty of making hast generalizations at times, but the generalizing about feminism has reached an all time high... and so has the hostility

Yes there has been extremist out there who have tried to hijack the term...but sometimes I just don't get the hate

At the end of the day, feminism is not a political party or an organization like the naacp...its just an umbrella term for a range of views about injustices against women....though I and a another woman may label ourselves feminist, it is also possible and highly probable we share differing view points, ideologies

I myself have been highly inspired by the writings of angela davis ...my favorite feminist

With that said, besides the fact they are female students, why do you consider them to be representative of the feminist movement?

As far as consent goes, yes means yes...no means no....however silence doesn't necessarily mean 'yes' ... you have to take body language into consideration

You dont get the hate?

Do you seriously think a feminist with your demeanor would last long in mainstream media? Do you think you're the norm in feminist culture?

Its not so much that there are psycho feminists out there as there is no backlash by so-called "sane" women when their fellow feminist say stupid shit like "yes means no."

Where is the passionate criticism of those who have "hijacked" feminism? It's non-existent.

There seems to be no backlash, because not everyone is afforded a platform like the extremists many of whom are only feminist in name only

Its gotten to the point where many women who profess to believe in the tenets of gender equality, for instance, have even adopted new labels such as humanist because they did not want to be associated with the extremists and stereotyped

No I get the hate... rather i feel like its misplaced

 

[zombie]

how long are men going to put up with these feminist and there bullshit. it pass time we put that shit in the ideological graveyard

 

[SneakDZA]

on the i.c. men feel like they're being oppressed by women and militant feminists pose a real threat to their lives. it's absurd.

 

[BigBallsNoWorries]

Get the fuck outta here with contradicting bullshit

This is why some niggas slap bitches like this up with the quickness

Before being a "feminist", is something called being an adult

Act like it

 

[desertrain10]

@desertrain10‌ Can you name one feminist argument, precept or claim of the last thirty years that actually held up to scrutiny?

Seems like every feminist argument is just full of shit on close examination.

So when you say not all feminists I call bullshit. Cuz y'all bitches were straight riding on niggas with flawed data no fucks given.

What are u asking of me exactly?

Are you saying we don't need feminism anymore? Obviously I couldn't disagree more

Abortion rights are constantly under threat, in the political arena women are drastically under represented, thousands of women are raped a year yet the conviction rate hovers around 7%, thousands of pregnant women are fired or forced to take unpaid leave from work after requesting such accommodations as a stool to sit on, or a change in schedule, woman are paid less for the same work, etc

That's only in America

Not to say the aforementioned are purely the result of sexism or discriminatory/ exclusionary practices, but they do play a prominent factor

Most importantly we need feminism , feminst voices to help empower young girls growing up in a soceity that places little value in a woman's aspirations beyond marriage, her intellect or her sexual agency. To inspire them to have confidence, ambitions worthy of their potential and a sense of their rights

 

[DNB1]

I feel sorry for the young males that have to grow up in the world with these stupid evil bitches. Cuz most of them are too pussy to slap her upside the head and reboot that bitch's system so she act right.

Niggas out here snapping, hitting a bitch and being ashamed of themselves afterward. That's how these hoes got out of control.

You let any group of bitches get together and form thoughts without proper guidance and nothing good can come of it. You see a group of 3 or more females talking (about anything) and you have a handgun on you fire shots into the air to startle them. Break that shit up before somebody fuck around and get killed over them bitches and their bright dim ideas.

Lol @ this direct quote from the Real Nigga bible...

I haven't read the good book in a while now...shame on me.

 

[PILL_COSBY]

@desertrain10

I have three questions.

1. Where was all the "sane" black feminist when the "extreme" black feminist went on national T.V and embarrassed the movement and our race AT THE SAME DAMN TIME!!? Like somebody said already, didn't see too many of these "sane" black feminist denouncing them. We mostly seen "you go girl!, talk to'em!!!". Now this was the worst blow to "SANE" black feminist ever. How come you guys didn't ban together and expose these lunatic THOTS in "sane" feminist clothing? where's the "sane" black feminist N.B.C special?

2. Since a lot of positive gentlemen(such as myself) have a lot of the same views(some are completely stupid though) on female equality as you. Can a male be a feminist too?

3. How would you feel about men starting a "masculinist" movement. It would focus on how men are

- Treated unfairly by women when it comes to paying the bill/tab on a date

- Treated unfairly during a pregnancy and having little say in the matter

- Treated unfairly by the law compared to women

- Paying more for our car insurance than women

- Treated unfairly in a fight with a women(physical, mental, or emotional)

- Treated unfairly when it comes to child custody and child support

- Treated unfairly when it comes to sexual advances in any form towards a woman depending on how she's feeling

- Looked down upon by most women for not having a car or not having their own place

- Expected to keep a cool head while woman act a complete fool

- Expected to treat a woman like gold, chase them, and try to impress them instead of it being the other way around

- Painted as cheaters and dead beat parents. While females are painted as fragile victims and the strong/loyal half

- Having our maturity lowered beneath a woman's level of maturity. When we see everyday that this is far from the truth.

 

[zombie]

on the i.c. men feel like they're being oppressed by women and militant feminists pose a real threat to their lives. it's absurd.

tell that to any man who has to suffer under the family court system. or pay child support for children that are not his or pay alimony to a functional adult. or be forced to be a father to children he did not want In the first place

 

[_Goldie_]

That shit will never hold up in court. Eventhough "rape" is one of the few criminal laws that has been getting reformed in the past 50 years, yes not equaling yes will only work if its involving a minor(statutory rape).

* or lack of mens rea

 

[zombie]

@desertrain10‌ Can you name one feminist argument, precept or claim of the last thirty years that actually held up to scrutiny?

Seems like every feminist argument is just full of shit on close examination.

So when you say not all feminists I call bullshit. Cuz y'all bitches were straight riding on niggas with flawed data no fucks given.

What are u asking of me exactly?

Are you saying we don't need feminism anymore? Obviously I couldn't disagree more

Abortion rights are constantly under threat, in the political arena women are drastically under represented, thousands of women are raped a year yet the conviction rate hovers around 7%, thousands of pregnant women are fired or forced to take unpaid leave from work after requesting such accommodations as a stool to sit on, or a change in schedule, woman are paid less for the same work, etc

That's only in America

Not to say the aforementioned are purely the result of sexism or discriminatory/ exclusionary practices, but they do play a prominent factor

Most importantly we need feminism , feminst voices to help empower young girls growing up in a soceity that places little value in a woman's aspirations beyond marriage, her intellect or her sexual agency. To inspire them to have confidence, ambitions worthy of their potential and a sense of their rights

that is their parents job not the job of society why should i pay for a stool? if it was a man who worked for me i would not have to worry about making accommodations because of his pregnancy. why do i have to make accommodations for you accommodations cost money.

i thought you wanted to be equal?? yet here you are asking for accommodations and special treatment

 

[LordZuko]

@desertrain10‌ Can you name one feminist argument, precept or claim of the last thirty years that actually held up to scrutiny?

Seems like every feminist argument is just full of shit on close examination.

So when you say not all feminists I call bullshit. Cuz y'all bitches were straight riding on niggas with flawed data no fucks given.

What are u asking of me exactly?

Are you saying we don't need feminism anymore? Obviously I couldn't disagree more

Abortion rights are constantly under threat, in the political arena women are drastically under represented, thousands of women are raped a year yet the conviction rate hovers around 7%, thousands of pregnant women are fired or forced to take unpaid leave from work after requesting such accommodations as a stool to sit on, or a change in schedule, woman are paid less for the same work, etc

That's only in America

Not to say the aforementioned are purely the result of sexism or discriminatory/ exclusionary practices, but they do play a prominent factor

Most importantly we need feminism , feminst voices to help empower young girls growing up in a soceity that places little value in a woman's aspirations beyond marriage, her intellect or her sexual agency. To inspire them to have confidence, ambitions worthy of their potential and a sense of their rights

Abortion rights is a sticky issue because you have places in the US that don't restrict bortion, they just don't believe the state should fund it, then you have places that have strict legislation on the cut off period for abortion. Are abortion rights under attack? Depends on how you look at it.

Females being so called underrepresented in the legislative body is not something feminism can fix. Females already constitute a majority of the voting population, so if there aren't more females in politics it's either because other females didn't vote them in or they didn't want to be there in the first place. This so called problem is as sound as the "ban bossy" campaign because people sure do want to elect leaders that get broken down and turned away by a single word.

Please name the exclusionary practices that currently target females because they are female. Citation needed.

Society is not some nebulous external force, it is a product of the people in it, so who is promulgating the message of females have no value outside of marriage, and assuming that it has a shade of truth to it, why would you assume that it is males or ze patriarchy that is behind it.

Lastly concerning rape convictions. Rape is an alleged crime and despite feminist outcries is no more special than any other crime and requires a certain amount of proof on behalf of the state to imprison someone. If it doesn't look like a good case the state or district attorney may not take it. Also it is ridiculous to expedt a reduction of the burden of proof because we allegedly operate on a system of innocent until proven guilty, and a person's claim of rape, while enough to get someone arrested isn't enought to imprison them. As it should be. So if 7% of alleged rapes are tried and convicted perhaps that is because only 7% meet that burden of proof.

Your problem is that you assume every allegation from a female is true, and we already know there are females who lie about rape.

So what has feminism argued for that hasn't been ntellectually shut down, proven to be based on bad data? @desertrain10

 

[LUClEN]

on the i.c. men feel like they're being oppressed by women and militant feminists pose a real threat to their lives. it's absurd.

McGill is probably the best school in my country

When they give a certain ideology a platform it holds more significance than other absurd ideologies that aren't given the speaking time, like Nazism

 

[_Goldie_]

Ive managed a business outside of the US where women would abuse the law (no woman can be fired while pregnant/or within the year she has given birth, unless she has caused physical harm to the establishment) , bitches would come in when they want, come in and slack df off,etc. We still had to pay them while theyre on leave and hire someone to fill their spot. So yea, I wouldnt be so quick to make a similar law in the US.

lol @ the abortion shit. Its already just about 100% up to the woman if the child will be born on not, despite what the man thinks, yet you feel they have no say lol

 

[SixSickSins]

Smh

We are all guilty of making hast generalizations at times, but the generalizing about feminism has reached an all time high... and so has the hostility

Yes there has been extremist out there who have tried to hijack the term...but sometimes I just don't get the hate

At the end of the day, feminism is not a political party or an organization like the naacp...its just an umbrella term for a range of views about injustices against women....though I and a another woman may label ourselves feminist, it is also possible and highly probable we share differing view points, ideologies

I myself have been highly inspired by the writings of angela davis ...my favorite feminist

With that said, besides the fact they are female students, why do you consider them to be representative of the feminist movement?

As far as consent goes, yes means yes...no means no....however silence doesn't necessarily mean 'yes' ... you have to take body language into consideration

on the i.c. men feel like they're being oppressed by women and militant feminists pose a real threat to their lives. it's absurd.

❤

Thank goodness some people have a brain.

This is just another thread to foment hatred and mistrust towards feminists as a whole under the guise "well, I didn't indicate all feminists". So pathetic. That would be like me making a thread about how all Black men are horrible, absentee fathers--even though that's the furthest thing from the truth. Constantly making threads highlighting the bad of a certain population does nothing to initiate intelligent conversation on issues that truly deserve to be discussed. All you men are doing are giving an outreach platform to the women you literally violently hate--feeding the trolls a most decadent meal, so to speak.

I, and others such as @desertrain10, are up for also speaking on men's issues that remain underrepresented, but it's hard to get anywhere with a collective, limited, and destructive groupthink of "bitches ain't shit", "women are juveniles who lack logic", etc. There are posts in here saying women deserve to be physically harmed to beat them back into reality. Who really hates who? Because a lot of y'all men are sounding like woman-haters.

When there's an intelligent, healthy discussion on the real issues at hand, @ me.

 

[jono]

Smh

We are all guilty of making hast generalizations at times, but the generalizing about feminism has reached an all time high... and so has the hostility

Yes there has been extremist out there who have tried to hijack the term...but sometimes I just don't get the hate

At the end of the day, feminism is not a political party or an organization like the naacp...its just an umbrella term for a range of views about injustices against women....though I and a another woman may label ourselves feminist, it is also possible and highly probable we share differing view points, ideologies

I myself have been highly inspired by the writings of angela davis ...my favorite feminist

With that said, besides the fact they are female students, why do you consider them to be representative of the feminist movement?

As far as consent goes, yes means yes...no means no....however silence doesn't necessarily mean 'yes' ... you have to take body language into consideration

on the i.c. men feel like they're being oppressed by women and militant feminists pose a real threat to their lives. it's absurd.

❤

Thank goodness some people have a brain.

This is just another thread to foment hatred and mistrust towards feminists as a whole under the guise "well, I didn't indicate all feminists". So pathetic. That would be like me making a thread about how all Black men are horrible, absentee fathers--even though that's the furthest thing from the truth. Constantly making threads highlighting the bad of a certain population does nothing to initiate intelligent conversation on issues that truly deserve to be discussed. All you men are doing are giving an outreach platform to the women you literally violently hate--feeding the trolls a most decadent meal, so to speak.

I, and others such as @desertrain10, are up for also speaking on men's issues that remain underrepresented, but it's hard to get anywhere with a collective, limited, and destructive groupthink of "bitches ain't shit", "women are juveniles who lack logic", etc. There are posts in here saying women deserve to be physically harmed to beat them back into reality. Who really hates who? Because a lot of y'all men are sounding like woman-haters.

When there's an intelligent, healthy discussion on the real issues at hand, @ me.

They are. Alot of these dudes have mommy issues. Not enough hugs, pb&j sandwiches or something, it's a shame.

I commend deserttrain because she responds to everyone even when they're obviously trying to troll her or just saying off the wall shit to get attention...

While I'm on the subject there is a lot of that too, niggas just wanting some attention.

 

[LordZuko]

Smh

We are all guilty of making hast generalizations at times, but the generalizing about feminism has reached an all time high... and so has the hostility

Yes there has been extremist out there who have tried to hijack the term...but sometimes I just don't get the hate

At the end of the day, feminism is not a political party or an organization like the naacp...its just an umbrella term for a range of views about injustices against women....though I and a another woman may label ourselves feminist, it is also possible and highly probable we share differing view points, ideologies

I myself have been highly inspired by the writings of angela davis ...my favorite feminist

With that said, besides the fact they are female students, why do you consider them to be representative of the feminist movement?

As far as consent goes, yes means yes...no means no....however silence doesn't necessarily mean 'yes' ... you have to take body language into consideration

on the i.c. men feel like they're being oppressed by women and militant feminists pose a real threat to their lives. it's absurd.

❤

Thank goodness some people have a brain.

This is just another thread to foment hatred and mistrust towards feminists as a whole under the guise "well, I didn't indicate all feminists". So pathetic. That would be like me making a thread about how all Black men are horrible, absentee fathers--even though that's the furthest thing from the truth. Constantly making threads highlighting the bad of a certain population does nothing to initiate intelligent conversation on issues that truly deserve to be discussed. All you men are doing are giving an outreach platform to the women you literally violently hate--feeding the trolls a most decadent meal, so to speak.

I, and others such as @desertrain10, are up for also speaking on men's issues that remain underrepresented, but it's hard to get anywhere with a collective, limited, and destructive groupthink of "bitches ain't shit", "women are juveniles who lack logic", etc. There are posts in here saying women deserve to be physically harmed to beat them back into reality. Who really hates who? Because a lot of y'all men are sounding like woman-haters.

When there's an intelligent, healthy discussion on the real issues at hand, @ me.

All this is mere rhetoric. The evidence speaks contrary. As the adage goes actions speak louder than words.

Feminists wish for everyone to be spellbound by their words while ignoring what they have done and committed to socially and politically. Very few people are falling for that bullshit anymore.

You point to a few posts saying that females should be beaten or harmed while one can argue the degree of hyperbole intended let's not act like the feminist SCUM manifesto doesn't exist and that there aren't a multitude of quotes from well known pop feminists calling for the eradication, imprisonment or otherwise subjugation of males.

So it's like I got a whole clip to empty into feminism and plenty to reload.

The problem with feminists and feminism is that it is an ideology born out of belief not based on any evidence so it works more like a cult than a political body. I say like a cult because people are indoctrinated with beliefs, little evidence or manufactured evidence and if someone speaks out against them then feminists turn into screeching harpies calling for the offenders to be beaten or raped or assaulted some kind of way.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Smh

We are all guilty of making hast generalizations at times, but the generalizing about feminism has reached an all time high... and so has the hostility

Yes there has been extremist out there who have tried to hijack the term...but sometimes I just don't get the hate

At the end of the day, feminism is not a political party or an organization like the naacp...its just an umbrella term for a range of views about injustices against women....though I and a another woman may label ourselves feminist, it is also possible and highly probable we share differing view points, ideologies

I myself have been highly inspired by the writings of angela davis ...my favorite feminist

With that said, besides the fact they are female students, why do you consider them to be representative of the feminist movement?

As far as consent goes, yes means yes...no means no....however silence doesn't necessarily mean 'yes' ... you have to take body language into consideration

on the i.c. men feel like they're being oppressed by women and militant feminists pose a real threat to their lives. it's absurd.

❤

Thank goodness some people have a brain.

This is just another thread to foment hatred and mistrust towards feminists as a whole under the guise "well, I didn't indicate all feminists". So pathetic. That would be like me making a thread about how all Black men are horrible, absentee fathers--even though that's the furthest thing from the truth. Constantly making threads highlighting the bad of a certain population does nothing to initiate intelligent conversation on issues that truly deserve to be discussed. All you men are doing are giving an outreach platform to the women you literally violently hate--feeding the trolls a most decadent meal, so to speak.

I, and others such as @desertrain10, are up for also speaking on men's issues that remain underrepresented, but it's hard to get anywhere with a collective, limited, and destructive groupthink of "bitches ain't shit", "women are juveniles who lack logic", etc. There are posts in here saying women deserve to be physically harmed to beat them back into reality. Who really hates who? Because a lot of y'all men are sounding like woman-haters.

When there's an intelligent, healthy discussion on the real issues at hand, @ me.

They are. Alot of these dudes have mommy issues. Not enough hugs, pb&j sandwiches or something, it's a shame.

I commend deserttrain because she responds to everyone even when they're obviously trying to troll her or just saying off the wall shit to get attention...

While I'm on the subject there is a lot of that too, niggas just wanting some attention.

Son you really are confused.Some great points are being made by men in this discussion and insteas of posting a rebuttal you go on a tirade about men and phantim women issues.Are you a female?You seem to have men issues which I find ironic.I see the points that both sides are making,but you are being a hypocrite by generalizing men who voice their opinion.I notice you do this shit regularly.Stop kissing these women ass.