Ether, please explain your concept of God

[ThaChozenWun]

i don't think i can give a satisfying answer to one that already has a foundation that says God doesn't exist.

Wrong.... I've said the bible is false.

 

[Rock_Well]

Alot of the people I know on here who don't believe in the bible isn't because they just want to shun it, it's because they searched and looked and have come to the conclusion it's a book of folklore.

that may or may not be true...and the reality of the situation is, the reason why doesn't matter one bit if the conclusion they came to is false.

 

[Rock_Well]

Wrong.... I've said the bible is false.

hmm i see....i'm learning something everyday.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

that may or may not be true...and the reality of the situation is, the reason why doesn't matter one bit if the conclusion they came to is false.

No it doesn't. If you seek and it's not there then you did exactly what the bible tells you to do to find God and came up with final conclusion based on your findings. If you dismiss it without research than you are a drone.

You believe the bible so you would never be able to understand.

 

[universaltruth]

and this is supported by....?

Look around you, matter of fact disregard that, just take some time to yourself, no television, no music, no sounds whatsoever, close your eyes and open your mind. Everything is connected, everything is cause and effect. Hurting another does nothing but hurt yourself. We as humans were came from the universe, are apart of the universe, and when we die we will once again go back to the universe. Now replace universe with god and what do you have?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Look around you, matter of fact disregard that, just take some time to yourself, no television, no music, no sounds whatsoever, close your eyes and open your mind. Everything is connected, everything is cause and effect. Hurting another does nothing but hurt yourself. We as humans were came from the universe, are apart of the universe, and when we die we will once again go back to the universe. Now replace universe with god and what do you have?

Not scripture you blasphemer!!

 

[universaltruth]

And when I say we know "nothing", what I mean is that we are born into a world where humans have made distinctions and such, "this is this, that is that" and whatnot. However, there really are no distinctions, there is no separations, Everything Is, thats it.

 

[Rock_Well]

No it doesn't. If you seek and it's not there then you did exactly what the bible tells you to do to find God and came up with final conclusion based on your findings. If you dismiss it without research than you are a drone.

I like peoples' willingness to do research to get as much information they need to make a sound decision. I've done a lot of research, and yet i reached a different conclusion about the Bible than the many others you speak of.

You believe the bible so you would never be able to understand.

No, i can understand. The issue is with accepting views regarding religion as being true when the view contradicts God's word. That is something i'm very hard to convince to do.

 

[universaltruth]

No, i can understand. The issue is with accepting views regarding religion as being true when the view contradicts God's word. That is something i'm very hard to convince to do.

My friend, all religion is is different chapters in the same book. Different perspectives on the same thing. You need knowledge in all to come to the one. You cant say you are aware when you are limiting yourself to one stance, it is contradiction, just as many things in the bible are contridictory. I actually believe in the bible for what it is, and Jesus is a person who we should strive to be like, but so is Buddha and etc. If you have the time look up Zhuangzi, a taoist philospher, he is one that will make you question everything you know and you will be better for it. Also, study philosophical Taoism as a whole, ive found the fundamental truths of this reality deeply interwoven in Taoist philosophy. Dont get it confused with its religious side however, that will push you back if you dont dig deep enough.

 

[universaltruth]

Oh, I forgot to add, ALL word is GODS word, as we all come from God and are God

 

[Rock_Well]

Look around you, matter of fact disregard that, just take some time to yourself, no television, no music, no sounds whatsoever, close your eyes and open your mind. Everything is connected, everything is cause and effect. Hurting another does nothing but hurt yourself. We as humans were came from the universe, are apart of the universe, and when we die we will once again go back to the universe. Now replace universe with god and what do you have?

There it goes...see, this is the popular theology going around i want to hear/talk more about.

Now what i want to point out here is that the Bible tells us, in Genesis 1:1, the universe as you speak of it was created by God. That would go to follow that the universe as we know it remains separate from God, not equals.

My friend, all religion is is different chapters in the same book. Different perspectives on the same thing. You need knowledge in all to come to the one. You cant say you are aware when you are limiting yourself to one stance, it is contradiction, just as many things in the bible are contridictory. I actually believe in the bible for what it is, and Jesus is a person who we should strive to be like, but so is Buddha and etc. If you have the time look up Zhuangzi, a taoist philospher, he is one that will make you question everything you know and you will be better for it. Also, study philosophical Taoism as a whole, ive found the fundamental truths of this reality deeply interwoven in Taoist philosophy. Dont get it confused with its religious side however, that will push you back if you dont dig deep enough.

I'm not really too fond of philosophers i might see wasup with dood though. I'll come back later to add to this since you brought up Jesus.

 

[universaltruth]

There it goes...see, this is the popular theology going around i want to hear/talk more about.

Now what i want to point out here is that the Bible tells us, in Genesis 1:1, the universe as you speak of it was created by God. That would go to follow that the universe as we know it remains separate from God, not equals.

I'm not really too fond of philosophers i might see wasup with dood though. I'll come back later to add to this since you brought up Jesus.

You need to have a better understanding of Genesis before you decide that it is the best place to go for the knowledge of how the universe was created. Genesis also says if I remember correctly "Let US make man in OUR image, and in OUR likeness" speaking of God, also many christains confuse the Adam and Eve story, I dont know if your one, so ill leave it at that. And let me leave you with this if you believe the Universe and God are separate, if you believe the universe had to have been created by God, what created God? The answer is God created God, so then why is it implausible to you to believe that God=Universe when its been shown that the Universe just came into existence, and energy has always been? It also states in the bible I believe that God is omnipresent, and we are aware of the fact that energy is everywhere, its what makes us up.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Having an open mind towards any but the Bible of course right? that's what kills me...the folk talking about being pro-open minded are the same folk that demonstrate the utmost closed mindedness towards scripture.

We are all bound by our convictions. Your conviction is the bible and are therefore bound by it. Others do not have that conviction, they will read it, consider it, contemplate it etc, but they are not bound by it.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

If you have the time look up Zhuangzi, a taoist philospher, he is one that will make you question everything you know and you will be better for it.

Always on the look out for that kind of reading, gonna check it out, thanks for mentioning it.

 

[universaltruth]

Always on the look out for that kind of reading, gonna check it out, thanks for mentioning it.

Really? You've never read Zhuangzi, what about the Tao Te Ching? Im amazed, from your posts i ifigured you would have read anything concerning the Tao back and forth, lol shows what I know lol

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Really? You've never read Zhuangzi, what about the Tao Te Ching? Im amazed, from your posts i ifigured you would have read anything concerning the Tao back and forth, lol shows what I know lol

I hadn't even heard of Zhuangzi until you mentioned it. I have read the Bhagavad Gita and the Yoga Aphorisms of Patanjali but that's about it along those lines. Haven't read the Tao Te Ching either. I don't really go in search for things, I let things come to me.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I don't really go in search for things, I let things come to me.

^^ That maybe kind of didn't come out right. What I mean is that I will contemplate something or wonder about something and then answers will come. I don't go search for the answer, the answer(but it's never a final answer lol) will come to me. And sometimes I will contemplate something or wonder about something and the answer will be impressed upon me. Its not something that I always think through step by step, understanding just sometimes *poof* comes.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

come on now you know solid analysis is correct here, BiblicalAtheist, as this forum is cluttered with members who promote open-mindedness about everything under the sun----except for interpreting and living God's scripture...then they kick into closed-mindedness or mockery or juvenile delinquency mode, with glee.

And it's mostly because they have each other as an audience, to agree with the clownliness. As pretty much every one of their nonsensical comments reeks with 'a search' for approval, from one of their cohorts here.

I cannot agree he is correct. He may be partially correct, in that some are like that, but it is not true for all.

 

[universaltruth]

^^ That maybe kind of didn't come out right. What I mean is that I will contemplate something or wonder about something and then answers will come. I don't go search for the answer, the answer(but it's never a final answer lol) will come to me. And sometimes I will contemplate something or wonder about something and the answer will be impressed upon me. Its not something that I always think through step by step, understanding just sometimes *poof* comes.

Same here, I remember when I was a staunch atheist, "there cant be a god" and all that. However it gave me no peace, and I started on this journey seeking peace, and it seems that when you dont strive to receive, when you have no desires, when you want nothing, you are granted with everything. So simple, yet so complex

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Same here, I remember when I was a staunch atheist, "there cant be a god" and all that. However it gave me no peace, and I started on this journey seeking peace, and it seems that when you dont strive to receive, when you have no desires, when you want nothing, you are granted with everything. So simple, yet so complex

That's crazy cuz I say I used to be a 'hateful atheist' and this path started shorty after wholeheartedly declaring I'd rather be rich in happiness than money any day. And since then I just gather the understanding that comes and it's made me infinitely richer than before!