Eternal Hell

[alissowack]

Did you know your heart was wicked before u read the king james Bible? I swear some of you walk around brainwashed. The same book also tells u to seek god within and u shall find him. The heart has the potential to be desperately wicked if u let it and it also has the potential to be good if u let it, understand the context of scripture.

Jeremiah 29:12

Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.

And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Matthew 12:35

A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

Proverbs 17:22

A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.

Joel 2:12

Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:

And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.

When I try to present scripture, I try not use it as scripture that single out somebody. The "deceitful heart" verse applies to me as well so if you felt offended by it, then for our sakes it ought to strike a nerve. And there are other verses that speak on our hopeless state. I'm not trying to discourage studying to attain knowledge for scripture encourages it. But, to think you have gained God's Divinity because of it is to deceive yourself. For anybody to think it, including myself, is to bring "Hell" upon ourselves.

 

[Rock_Well]

You see solid analysis I understand that you are apart of the Roman Catholic religion but I have some questions for you.

Why was Apostle Paul persecuting Christians and involved in murder if he knew that he could go to an eternal hell afterwards?

No one in R&R that i know openly claims Catholic. So no need to start bearin false witness.

And Paul admited his prior position towards the church was done so out of ignorance (see 1 Timothy 1:13)

The fuller understanding given in other scriptures is that Paul believed that by persecuting Christians he was doing God's will. But the one in 1 Timothy 1:13 pretty much answers your question. So why would someone think they're headed to Hell when they believe what they are doing is right? that doesn't make sense.

If Hell is real why is it that those who preach it the most look more like Pharisees and the devil, while those who believe in the salvation of all mankind seem to be more loving and merciful than strong Hell-fire believers? It's a plain fact that the colder less loving one is the easier it is to teach Hell while the more loving one becomes the harder it is to talk about Hell. Is heaven full of cold unloving people?

First answer the question: By what standard do you judge whether something is right or wrong??

If Hell is real and if good people go to heaven and bad people go to Hell, why does EVERYONE, good or bad, go to the same place in the Old Testament? They ALL go to Sheol which the King James Version translated "Hell" thirty-0ne times, "grave" thirty-one times and "pit" three times? Are we all destined to go to Hell or did the King's translators make some gross translational errors?

I have no clue as to why some places in the OT have Hell when grave would be the better word. But 'the grave' represents the realm of the dead. In the NT we learn the the land of the dead is divided into two sections: those in torments, and those in comfort. See the story of the rich man and Lazarus the beggar as told by Christ Himself.

If Hell is real, why don't the Jews, many who know the Old Testament better than most Christians, not believe in the modern Christian concept of Hell? They say they don't believe it because it is not in their Scriptures. Most scholars today can not find Hell in the Old Testament. Most leading Bible translations no longer contain the word Hell in the entire Old Testament. (Genesis through Malachi.)

Hell is a Biblical Concept. More detail about what Hell is and what it's like can be found in the NT section of the Bible.

What does it matter why a person may believe something that is contrary to God's word?

If Hell as a place of everlasting tortures was the real fate of all mankind unless they did something here on earth to prevent it, why didn't God make that warning plain right at the beginning of the Bible? God said the penalty for eating of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was DEATH. He did NOT define death as eternal life being forever tortured in burning fire and brimstone.

The concept of Salvation wasn't much mentioned in the OT either. So what's your point?

When did God ever say He would just lay the whole plan out for man all at one time??

If Hell was real why didn't Moses warn about this fate in the Ten Commandments or the Mosaic Covenant consisting of over 600 laws, ordinances, and warnings? The Mosaic Law simply stated blessings and cursings IN THIS LIFETIME for failure to keep the Mosaic Law.

1. That doesn't say one thing or another regarding the children of Israel knowledge of there being an afterlife. Just because it's not written in detail doesn't mean they didn't have some sense of an afterlife in which they will continue to live, or be separated from God.

2. The OT represents on a fraction of God's plan, so again, i don't know what your point is.

If Hell doesn't exist in the Old Testament, how could Jesus and his disciples teach that salvation was deliverance from a place that is not even found in their Scriptures? (There was only the Old Testament at that time.) Would that not make Him appear like a false teacher? Or could it be that Jesus never taught such a concept in the first place? Could it be that this concept has been added to the church and SOME Bibles through "traditions of men?"

No it's not possible that it was added. The fact is that Jesus himself taught about Hell. You need a scripture for that?

If Hell is real, since SOME English translations use the word Hell for the Greek word "Gehenna," in the New Testament, why didn't this same place (Gehenna) get translated Hell in the many places where it appears in the Hebrew form "ga ben Hinnom" in the Old Testament?

Well since you didn't cite scripture i would have to assume the scriptures you are referring to. So do you rly want an answer or is this just rhetoric?

If the Jews did not understand this valley as a symbol of everlasting torture, why do SOME English translations give this word such a meaning? And who burned who in this valley? And what was God's response for Israel doing such a horrible thing to their children? (Jer. 32:33-35) And how could God say "such a thing never entered His mind" if in fact He is going to do the very same thing to most of His own children?

It would be easier to be more specific by directly citing scriptures and make your point breaking it down the part you talking about into Greek or whatever.

If Hell is real why do some of the best Bible scholars and Bible teachers say it is NOT in the Greek or Hebrew text? (William Barclay, John A.T. Robinson, Lightfoot, Westcott, F.W. Farrar, Marvin Vincent, etc.)

Best Bible scholars by what standard of measurement??

 

[beenwize]

No one in R&R that i know openly claims Catholic. So no need to start bearin false witness.

And Paul admited his prior position towards the church was done so out of ignorance (see 1 Timothy 1:13)

The fuller understanding given in other scriptures is that Paul believed that by persecuting Christians he was doing God's will. But the one in 1 Timothy 1:13 pretty much answers your question. So why would someone think they're headed to Hell when they believe what they are doing is right? that doesn't make sense.

First answer the question: By what standard do you judge whether something is right or wrong??

I have no clue as to why some places in the OT have Hell when grave would be the better word. But 'the grave' represents the realm of the dead. In the NT we learn the the land of the dead is divided into two sections: those in torments, and those in comfort. See the story of the rich man and Lazarus the beggar as told by Christ Himself.

Hell is a Biblical Concept. More detail about what Hell is and what it's like can be found in the NT section of the Bible.

What does it matter why a person may believe something that is contrary to God's word?

The concept of Salvation wasn't much mentioned in the OT either. So what's your point?

When did God ever say He would just lay the whole plan out for man all at one time??

1. That doesn't say one thing or another regarding the children of Israel knowledge of there being an afterlife. Just because it's not written in detail doesn't mean they didn't have some sense of an afterlife in which they will continue to live, or be separated from God.
2. The OT represents on a fraction of God's plan, so again, i don't know what your point is.

No it's not possible that it was added. The fact is that Jesus himself taught about Hell. You need a scripture for that?

Well since you didn't cite scripture i would have to assume the scriptures you are referring to. So do you rly want an answer or is this just rhetoric?

It would be easier to be more specific by directly citing scriptures and make your point breaking it down the part you talking about into Greek or whatever.

Best Bible scholars by what standard of measurement??

You are making this more complicated than it needs to be because you are uncomfortable in your indoctrinated belief system now that u are faced with facts.

Show me God or any prophet warning ANYONE about the threat of a eternal hell in the Old Testament?

If there was no warning or scripture of an eternal hell in the Old Testament and for the thousands of years that man has walked the earth but now all of a sudden a white man version of scripture says there is one and u act as if you are too brainwashed to study the facts?

Like I said you are an evil demon that thinks he will be rewarded to be in heaven based on his belief in Jesus Christ and the majority of others will be damned eternally. Have fun in your Roman Catholic delusions.

peace

 

[beenwize]

Not to mention there are hundreds of so called holy books in the world but you happen to think that the king james "version" is the only true one on earth. Why don't you believe in the other books of the Bible like Enoch, Jasher, and the gnostic text? Why dont you believe in the Quran?

According to what you are saying you only believe 1 book out of the hundreds that are on the earth so therefore you believe that someone took the time to write these hundreds of other books you claim to be false scripture yet you don't think anyone touched the king james version Bible even tho evidence shows it doesn't add up for there to be NO MENTION OF THE EXISTENCE OF ETERNAL HELL for thousands upon thousands of years and then all of a sudden there is a eternal hell in Roman Catholic religion. talk about hypocrite and brainwash.

And besides the Apocryphal books eliminated from the Bible used by Protestant Church
there are, at least, 28 other books mentioned in scripture, which do not appear in the Bible. Why don't u believe in those other books?

 

[beenwize]

The Evil of religion in the hands of unlearned pastors spreading poison to the masses and not practicing what they preach.

[video=youtube;2qsdI_DTLHg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qsdI_DTLHg[/video]

 

[Rock_Well]

You are making this more complicated than it needs to be because you are uncomfortable in your indoctrinated belief system now that u are faced with facts.

Show me God or any prophet warning ANYONE about the threat of a eternal hell in the Old Testament?

The lack of info would actually go to say that rly neither one of us knows and we can't rightly make a judgment from the lack thereof. we gotta be careful not to make big assumptions when we don't have all the facts. that's how ppl fall for okie dokes left and right.

A mention of eternal destruction in the OT: "The sinners in Zion are afraid; Fearfulness has seized the hypocrites: "Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? Who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?" (Isaiah 33:14)

If 1) there was no warning or scripture of an eternal hell in the Old Testament and for the thousands of years that man has walked the earth but now 2) all of a sudden a white man version of scripture says there is one and 3) u act as if you are too brainwashed to study the facts?

1) What follows here after 'IF' is an assumption. One that is already proven false above.

2) The KJV is a translation. There are several translations of the Book in hundreds (or is it thousands) of diff languages. The original Greek copies we have says there is one too.

3)So safe to say this whole rhetorical question is false?

Like I said you are an evil demon that thinks he will be rewarded to be in heaven based on his belief in Jesus Christ and the majority of others will be damned eternally. Have fun in your Roman Catholic delusions.

That's fine. You can sit up here and call me a demon or whatever you like based on my acceptance of God word as taught in scripture. Are you gonna stand before GOD on the throne and tell Him HE'S a demon?

 

[waterproof]

the portion i bolded is EXTRA paramount. dont trip though on ur development- we are like the earth..there are seasons to sow, to rap, for the earth to rest etc. you just going through a long winter thats all...

Shalom and thanks for the kinds word and encouragment, Because truth be told you with your hebrew knowledge and science and lessons you woke me up and got me to study again and study deeper and remember who am i as a person and Hebrew and how happy and at peace i was when i was studying and praising and following YAHUWAH.

 

[beenwize]

The lack of info would actually go to say that rly neither one of us knows and we can't rightly make a judgment from the lack thereof. we gotta be careful not to make big assumptions when we don't have all the facts. that's how ppl fall for okie dokes left and right.

A mention of eternal destruction in the OT: "The sinners in Zion are afraid; Fearfulness has seized the hypocrites: "Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? Who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?" (Isaiah 33:14)

1) What follows here after 'IF' is an assumption. One that is already proven false above.

2) The KJV is a translation. There are several translations of the Book in hundreds (or is it thousands) of diff languages. The original Greek copies we have says there is one too.

3)So safe to say this whole rhetorical question is false?

That's fine. You can sit up here and call me a demon or whatever you like based on my acceptance of God word as taught in scripture. Are you gonna stand before GOD on the throne and tell Him HE'S a demon?

lol i hope u are not twiting scripture to make it seem as if that is talking about a eternal hell.... show me a straight forward "warning" in the Old Testament about an eternal hell. This is not a warning but a scripture u are taking out of context. All trained Biblical scholars and those learned in in the Old Testament know that there is no mention of an eternal hell in the Old Testament. You just happen to do a google search for the word "eternal fire" in the Old Testament and dont understand the context or meaning of the scripture.

peace

 

[Rock_Well]

lol i hope u are not twiting scripture to make it seem as if that is talking about a eternal hell.... show me a straight forward "warning" in the Old Testament about an eternal hell. This is not a warning but a scripture u are taking out of context. All trained Biblical scholars and those learned in in the Old Testament know that there is no mention of an eternal hell in the Old Testament. You just happen to do a google search for the word "eternal fire" in the Old Testament and dont understand the context or meaning of the scripture.

peace

*sigh*

Show me where it specifically mention BMWs in the Old Testament. And if it doesn't, guess what? BMW's don't exist!

 

[beenwize]

*sigh*
Show me where it specifically mention BMWs in the Old Testament. And if it doesn't, guess what? BMW's don't exist!