Eternal Hell

[judahxulu]

All Praise is due, a couple of years back a meditated, eat right, lived right, worship and search with my whole soul, no drinking, smoking or drugs of any was in my body and And tried my hardest to become one with YHWH, MYSELF, NATURE AND THE UNIVERSE.

Then YHWH showed me something i never forget, for a few minutes while i was in at a place meditating and excersing at a lake all of a sudden my sense's changed. My vision got clearer, the colors got REAL brighter, my hearing was like 1000000000000000x enchance i heard every creeping thing that moved, and everything around me had a aura and was alive. And i felt so small to the universe, and i looked around in this bliss, touching tress and feeliing their energy. And i was just slient. I didnt even trip, i had this feeling and something told me just enjoy it and dont think about it because if i do it will go away

then all of sudden it just faded away slowly and i gave thanks to the most high, YAHUWAH. All that spirtuality journey some are on, i been through that YAHUWAH had me to read the anicent books from The Quran, The Book of the Dead, about buddha, Vedas, Tao Ching. Because all that led me back to everything THE TORAH. THE TORAH is that missing link that connected everything.

All that yin and yang, tai ching, yoga and all that goes back to the science of YAHUWAH. And all that was shown to me in 3 year time because i humble myself, open my mind, soul, heart to YAHUWAH and ask him, who am i and why my people is like this and why we went through all this in history and YAHUWAH told me who my people is and who am I. No MAN OR WOMAN told me, but YAHUWAH by slowly walking me to the truth, and that's after years of wonders and signs YAHUWAH SHOWED ME. But i never got back to it, Im stiff necked a Hebrew.

SO HELL is when your actions and living foul inviting demons into your life by having negative energy that's is manifest by YOU.

the portion i bolded is EXTRA paramount. dont trip though on ur development- we are like the earth..there are seasons to sow, to rap, for the earth to rest etc. you just going through a long winter thats all...

 

[alissowack]

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

I'm not sure how true they are but you should do some research into the gnostic gospels if interested. They are said to have spiritual teachings for humanity but had been suppressed by the powers that be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic_Gospels

The Gnostic Gospels are a collection of about fifty-two texts supposedly based upon the ancient wisdom teachings of several prophets and spiritual leaders including Jesus, written from the 2nd to the 4th century AD.[1] These gospels are not part of the standard Biblical canon of any major Christian denomination, and as such are part of what is called the New Testament apocrypha. Recent novels and films that refer to the gospels have recently increased public interest.[2][3]

The word gnostic comes from the Greek word gnosis, meaning "knowledge", which is often used in Greek philosophy in a manner more consistent with the English "enlightenment". Some scholars continue to maintain traditional dating for the emergence of Gnostic philosophy and religious movements.[4] It is now generally believed that the evidence suggests that Gnosticism was a Jewish movement which subsequently reacted to Christianity or that Gnosticism emerged directly in reaction to Christianity.[5] The name "Christian gnostics" came to represent a segment of the Early Christian community that believed that salvation lay not in merely worshipping Christ, but in psychic or pneumatic souls learning to free themselves from the material world via the revelation.[6] According to this tradition, the answers to spiritual questions are to be found within, not without.[2] Furthermore, the gnostic path does not require the intermediation of a church for salvation. Some scholars, such as Edward Conze and Elaine Pagels, have suggested that gnosticism blends teachings like those attributed to Jesus Christ with teachings found in Eastern traditions.[1]

The problem with this is that there is the impression that people actually can find God within...that it is possible to save themselves from their own shortcomings...and the Bible suggests that it's not possible. Sin makes man pretty much "dead" in respect to God.

 

[alissowack]

not equal for that suggests two seperate entities. the best way i can describe it as ra un nefer postulated in the metu neter (vol. 2 i think) that man's higher consciousness is to the most high as a rain drop is to all the bodies of water on the earth combined. same thing different form on a microcosmic scale.

...or maybe I should have went this route. Because of sin, we are "dead" to God. There isn't enough knowledge or discipline to give any sort of life to our standing with God. It's not to make it sound like people should stop studying their Bibles and try to live a righteous life...and I'm not saying we can't enjoy the feelings of enlightenment, but in respect to God they mean nothing.

 

[beenwize]

The problem with this is that there is the impression that people actually can find God within...that it is possible to save themselves from their own shortcomings...and the Bible suggests that it's not possible. Sin makes man pretty much "dead" in respect to God.

Well the "version" of the Bible we have today comes from the Romans... Weren't they the enemies of Christ and the Hebrews? Do you really think they put all the knowledge in our modern day Bibles? Christianity during the 1st and 2nd centuries was completely different from the way it is now. Why do you think the Romans carried out the Inquisition and murdered millions of people that were following a gnostic form of Christianity? Do some research into early forms of Christianity it wasn't only about worshiping someone for salvation but had spiritual wisdom of knowing thyself within.

 

[judahxulu]

...or maybe I should have went this route. Because of sin, we are "dead" to God. There isn't enough knowledge or discipline to give any sort of life to our standing with God. It's not to make it sound like people should stop studying their Bibles and try to live a righteous life...and I'm not saying we can't enjoy the feelings of enlightenment, but in respect to God they mean nothing.

You are, as they say back home in the k'far (village) you are "dead right" ..so maybe I should re- route. Because of sin, we are "dead" period, to the portion of Yah within to Yah in absoute, Ain Soph. What is sin??
Lexicon Results
Strong's H2398 - chata'
חָטָא

Transliteration

chata'


Pronunciation

khä·tä' (Key)

Part of Speech

verb


Root Word (Etymology)

A primitive root

TWOT Reference

638
Outline of Biblical Usage

1) to sin, miss, miss the way, go wrong, incur guilt, forfeit, purify from uncleanness

a) (Qal)

1) to miss

2) to sin, miss the goal or path of right and duty

3) to incur guilt, incur penalty by sin, forfeit

b) (Piel)

1) to bear loss

2) to make a sin-offering

3) to purify from sin

4) to purify from uncleanness

c) (Hiphil)

1) to miss the mark

2) to induce to sin, cause to sin

3) to bring into guilt or condemnation or punishment

d) (Hithpael)

1) to miss oneself, lose oneself, wander from the way

2) to purify oneself from uncleanness

Key ponts on the primary root of the word sin as it first written with the account of Cain and Abel in B'Raysheet (Genesis) n the Hebraic thought---miss, miss the way, go wrong, incur guilt, forfeit, purify from uncleanness miss the mark
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY to miss ONESELF, lose oneself. You are dead to you in sin. The shows we were given the ultimate power. To be able to choose life or death. You looking at the whole paradigm pessimistically and that aint the proper wisdom on the subject of sin because it locks you into it indefinitely.
There isn't enough knowledge or discipline to give any sort of life to our standing with God BUT if you add joy and giving it don't hurt. People should stop studying their Bible and demonstrate it in Spirit and Truth which results in a prosperous and righteous life...and I'm saying we can enjoy the feelings of enlightenment and in respect to the Yah within and YHWH Elohekha in the absolute, Ain soph=they mean everything. Stringing together the lifestyle (observable worship/work) with the thread of the series of "nows" in a joyful, knowledgable, disciplined, righteous and enlightened frame of mind= eternal life.

 

[alissowack]

You are, as they say back home in the k'far (village) you are "dead right" ..so maybe I should re- route. Because of sin, we are "dead" period, to the portion of Yah within to Yah in absoute, Ain Soph. What is sin??
Lexicon Results
Strong's H2398 - chata'
חָטָא

Transliteration

chata'


Pronunciation

khä·tä' (Key)

Part of Speech

verb


Root Word (Etymology)

A primitive root

TWOT Reference

638
Outline of Biblical Usage

1) to sin, miss, miss the way, go wrong, incur guilt, forfeit, purify from uncleanness

a) (Qal)

1) to miss

2) to sin, miss the goal or path of right and duty

3) to incur guilt, incur penalty by sin, forfeit

b) (Piel)

1) to bear loss

2) to make a sin-offering

3) to purify from sin

4) to purify from uncleanness

c) (Hiphil)

1) to miss the mark

2) to induce to sin, cause to sin

3) to bring into guilt or condemnation or punishment

d) (Hithpael)

1) to miss oneself, lose oneself, wander from the way

2) to purify oneself from uncleanness

Key ponts on the primary root of the word sin as it first written with the account of Cain and Abel in B'Raysheet (Genesis) n the Hebraic thought---miss, miss the way, go wrong, incur guilt, forfeit, purify from uncleanness miss the mark
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY to miss ONESELF, lose oneself. You are dead to you in sin. The shows we were given the ultimate power. To be able to choose life or death. You looking at the whole paradigm pessimistically and that aint the proper wisdom on the subject of sin because it locks you into it indefinitely.
There isn't enough knowledge or discipline to give any sort of life to our standing with God BUT if you add joy and giving it don't hurt. People should stop studying their Bible and demonstrate it in Spirit and Truth which results in a prosperous and righteous life...and I'm saying we can enjoy the feelings of enlightenment and in respect to the Yah within and YHWH Elohekha in the absolute, Ain soph=they mean everything. Stringing together the lifestyle (observable worship/work) with the thread of the series of "nows" in a joyful, knowledgable, disciplined, righteous and enlightened frame of mind= eternal life.

My pessimistic view was only half the story. I went that route because we have this notion that God is as knowable or reachable as a matter of utilizing thought and actions; that if you just follow the rules, then it makes sin null and void. The price for sin would still have to be paid regardless of how "good" we perceive ourselves to be. People can sincerely want to do good, but in respect to God, their goodness can't save them from God's Wrath. It is believing that He has done something about our standing that is more "reviving".

 

[The True Flesh]

I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? Luke 12:49

Not the conventional hot hot heat that we know of!!!!!



Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.

Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.

Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.

And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask thee, saying, What is the burden of the LORD? thou shalt then say unto them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the LORD.

And as for the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, The burden of the LORD, I will even punish that man and his house.

Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbour, and every one to his brother, What hath the LORD answered? and, What hath the LORD spoken?

And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.

Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath the LORD answered thee? and, What hath the LORD spoken?

But since ye say, The burden of the LORD; therefore thus saith the LORD; Because ye say this word, The burden of the LORD, and I have sent unto you, saying, Ye shall not say, The burden of the LORD;

Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence:

And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten. Jeremiah 23:29-40

.......That's eternal fire!

PEACE

 

[beenwize]

I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? Luke 12:49

Not the conventional hot hot heat that we know of!!!!!


Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.

Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.

Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.

And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask thee, saying, What is the burden of the LORD? thou shalt then say unto them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the LORD.

And as for the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, The burden of the LORD, I will even punish that man and his house.

Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbour, and every one to his brother, What hath the LORD answered? and, What hath the LORD spoken?

And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.
Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath the LORD answered thee? and, What hath the LORD spoken?

But since ye say, The burden of the LORD; therefore thus saith the LORD; Because ye say this word, The burden of the LORD, and I have sent unto you, saying, Ye shall not say, The burden of the LORD;

Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence:

And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten. Jeremiah 23:29-40

.......That's eternal fire!

PEACE

Are you trying to convince yourself that these are scriptures about an everlasting hell?

These are not scriptures about any everlasting hell... Show me scriptures from the Old Testament "warning" people of an everlasting hell of fire and brimstone?

peace

 

[The True Flesh]

These are not scriptures about any everlasting hell... Show me scriptures from the Old Testament "warning" people of an everlasting hell of fire and brimstone?

peace

Now why ever would I want to do that?

I have never promoted the mainstream manmade concept of literal eternal "burning"

I already tried to explain that The Almighty God transcends space and time and therefore words like eternal aren't really applicable to anything outside of THIS LIFE as it is still a unit of LINEAR TIME.

.......You REALLY misunderstood where I was going with posting these particular scriptures.

PEACE

 

[Rock_Well]

1 Corinthians 3:16-17

16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20

19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

I'm not sure how true they are but you should do some research into the gnostic gospels if interested. They are said to have spiritual teachings for humanity but had been suppressed by the powers that be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic_Gospels

The Gnostic Gospels are a collection of about fifty-two texts supposedly based upon the ancient wisdom teachings of several prophets and spiritual leaders including Jesus, written from the 2nd to the 4th century AD.[1] These gospels are not part of the standard Biblical canon of any major Christian denomination, and as such are part of what is called the New Testament apocrypha. Recent novels and films that refer to the gospels have recently increased public interest.[2][3]

The word gnostic comes from the Greek word gnosis, meaning "knowledge", which is often used in Greek philosophy in a manner more consistent with the English "enlightenment". Some scholars continue to maintain traditional dating for the emergence of Gnostic philosophy and religious movements.[4] It is now generally believed that the evidence suggests that Gnosticism was a Jewish movement which subsequently reacted to Christianity or that Gnosticism emerged directly in reaction to Christianity.[5] The name "Christian gnostics" came to represent a segment of the Early Christian community that believed that salvation lay not in merely worshipping Christ, but in psychic or pneumatic souls learning to free themselves from the material world via the revelation.[6] According to this tradition, the answers to spiritual questions are to be found within, not without.[2] Furthermore, the gnostic path does not require the intermediation of a church for salvation. Some scholars, such as Edward Conze and Elaine Pagels, have suggested that gnosticism blends teachings like those attributed to Jesus Christ with teachings found in Eastern traditions.[1]

Who wrote Corinthians? Who are they writing to in that letter? (baptized believers) So what is the implication here? That the Spirit of God dwells in the believers body. Don't assume that means the Spirit of God dwells in a non-believer's body. it doesn't. at least not in the way Paul is talking about here. The Spirit of God dwelling in the believers body is something ppl have to ALLOW to happen, and it just don't won't happen when a person doesn't allow the word of God to dwell in them. He didn't touch on that in THIS paticular verse tho. THAT BASE is covered in other verses.(ask for scripture if needed) So like i said, don't assume that the Spirit of God dwelling in man applies to a non believer of the Bible. The word of God and the Holy Spirit is the same thing bruh. Also, just like a person can choose to listen to God voice they can choose to listen to Satan voice also. How you think Satan spit G in cats ears all day? and how can one (you) be so sure who you listening to at any given time and who's voice you're obeying in a given decision??

And please get that Gnostic junk allll the way up outta here kid. Those teaching been out even since the time of the early church and the early church much less God never cosigned none of them joints. All it was was a bunch of shady writings that came out of nowhere. God has always confirmed His word through miracles.

 

[Rock_Well]

cats is rly up in here closing their eyes tite wide shut to the scriptures that mention the second death? i'm done.

 

[beenwize]

Who wrote Corinthians? Who are they writing to in that letter? (baptized believers) So what is the implication here? That the Spirit of God dwells in the believers body. Don't assume that means the Spirit of God dwells in a non-believer's body. it doesn't. at least not in the way Paul is talking about here. The Spirit of God dwelling in the believers body is something ppl have to ALLOW to happen, and it just don't won't happen when a person doesn't allow the word of God to dwell in them. He didn't touch on that in THIS paticular verse tho. THAT BASE is covered in other verses.(ask for scripture if needed) So like i said, don't assume that the Spirit of God dwelling in man applies to a non believer of the Bible. The word of God and the Holy Spirit is the same thing bruh. Also, just like a person can choose to listen to God voice they can choose to listen to Satan voice also. How you think Satan spit G in cats ears all day? and how can one (you) be so sure who you listening to at any given time and who's voice you're obeying in a given decision??

And please get that Gnostic junk allll the way up outta here kid. Those teaching been out even since the time of the early church and the early church much less God never cosigned none of them joints. All it was was a bunch of shady writings that came out of nowhere. God has always confirmed His word through miracles.

lol U dont even understand scripture... Show me where God told men about the punishment of an "eternal hell" thousands of years ago when the world began and when Moses gave the law? Why would God wait thousands of years AFTER many civilizations have already came and fell and then all of a sudden say there is an "eternal hell" now?

If there was an eternal hell then why did King David murder people and commit adultery and God did not say anything to him about an eternal hell?

Show me God giving the Ancient Egyptians, Ancient Israelites, Native Americans, Ancient Olmelecs, Ancient Mayans, Sumerians, Cannanites, Mesphotamians and all these ancient people a teaching of an eternal hell? Show me hell in the Old Testament?

You are indoctrinated under Roman Catholic teachings and if you want to believe the lies of men then do you. Just dont push your fear of hell propaganda over here. And if the gnostic teachings were false why was there millions of people following it during the 2nd and 3rd centuries and why were they slaughtered off by the Romans? What were the Romans trying to hide? If anything is shady its your Roman Catholic religion.

The king james version is NOT original its a book that has been tampered with by men. Someone could have come out with a King Denzel Washington "version" Bible but it dont mean its the truth.

Proverbs 14:15
The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[beenwize]

You see solid analysis I understand that you are apart of the Roman Catholic religion but I have some questions for you.

Why was Apostle Paul persecuting Christians and involved in murder if he knew that he could go to an eternal hell afterwards?

If Hell is real why is it that those who preach it the most look more like Pharisees and the devil, while those who believe in the salvation of all mankind seem to be more loving and merciful than strong Hell-fire believers? It's a plain fact that the colder less loving one is the easier it is to teach Hell while the more loving one becomes the harder it is to talk about Hell. Is heaven full of cold unloving people?

If Hell is real and if good people go to heaven and bad people go to Hell, why does EVERYONE, good or bad, go to the same place in the Old Testament? They ALL go to Sheol which the King James Version translated "Hell" thirty-0ne times, "grave" thirty-one times and "pit" three times? Are we all destined to go to Hell or did the King's translators make some gross translational errors?

If Hell is real, why don't the Jews, many who know the Old Testament better than most Christians, not believe in the modern Christian concept of Hell? They say they don't believe it because it is not in their Scriptures. Most scholars today can not find Hell in the Old Testament. Most leading Bible translations no longer contain the word Hell in the entire Old Testament. (Genesis through Malachi.)

If Hell as a place of everlasting tortures was the real fate of all mankind unless they did something here on earth to prevent it, why didn't God make that warning plain right at the beginning of the Bible? God said the penalty for eating of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was DEATH. He did NOT define death as eternal life being forever tortured in burning fire and brimstone.

If Hell was real why didn't Moses warn about this fate in the Ten Commandments or the Mosaic Covenant consisting of over 600 laws, ordinances, and warnings? The Mosaic Law simply stated blessings and cursings IN THIS LIFETIME for failure to keep the Mosaic Law.

If Hell doesn't exist in the Old Testament, how could Jesus and his disciples teach that salvation was deliverance from a place that is not even found in their Scriptures? (There was only the Old Testament at that time.) Would that not make Him appear like a false teacher? Or could it be that Jesus never taught such a concept in the first place? Could it be that this concept has been added to the church and SOME Bibles through "traditions of men?"

If Hell is real, since SOME English translations use the word Hell for the Greek word "Gehenna," in the New Testament, why didn't this same place (Gehenna) get translated Hell in the many places where it appears in the Hebrew form "ga ben Hinnom" in the Old Testament? If the Jews did not understand this valley as a symbol of everlasting torture, why do SOME English translations give this word such a meaning? And who burned who in this valley? And what was God's response for Israel doing such a horrible thing to their children? (Jer. 32:33-35) And how could God say "such a thing never entered His mind" if in fact He is going to do the very same thing to most of His own children?

If Hell is real why do some of the best Bible scholars and Bible teachers say it is NOT in the Greek or Hebrew text? (William Barclay, John A.T. Robinson, Lightfoot, Westcott, F.W. Farrar, Marvin Vincent, etc.)

 

[alissowack]

lol U dont even understand scripture... Show me where God told men about the punishment of an "eternal hell" thousands of years ago when the world began and when Moses gave the law? Why would God wait thousands of years AFTER many civilizations have already came and fell and then all of a sudden say there is an "eternal hell" now?

If there was an eternal hell then why did King David murder people and commit adultery and God did not say anything to him about an eternal hell?

Show me God giving the Ancient Egyptians, Ancient Israelites, Native Americans, Ancient Olmelecs, Ancient Mayans and all these ancient cultures a teaching of an eternal hell? Show me hell in the Old Testament?

You are indoctrinated under Roman Catholic teachings and if you want to believe the lies of men then do you. Just dont push your fear of hell propaganda over here. And if the gnostic teachings were false why was there millions of people following it during the 2nd and 3rd centuries and why were they slaughtered off by the Romans? What were the Romans trying to hide? If anything is shady its your Roman Catholic religion.

The king james version is NOT original its a book that has been tampered with by men. Someone could have come out with a King Denzel Washington "version" Bible but it dont mean its the truth.

Proverbs 14:15

The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.

2 Timothy 2:15

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Would it be fair to say as much as you declare someone's misunderstanding of scripture, that you are just as prone to that same misunderstanding? There is just this sense that the gaining of knowledge is dignified; a show of progress towards a better state. However, it could just as well lead to someone's destruction especially if it is seen as a way to get to God. Maybe for our sakes it isn't about what we know about God...but whether we know God; whether we fear (or respect) God. For if it is about intelligence, then we will never gain infinity in a lifetime.

 

[beenwize]

Would it be fair to say as much as you declare someone's misunderstanding of scripture, that you are just as prone to that same misunderstanding? There is just this sense that the gaining of knowledge is dignified; a show of progress towards a better state. However, it could just as well lead to someone's destruction especially if it is seen as a way to get to God. Maybe for our sakes it isn't about what we know about God...but whether we know God; whether we fear (or respect) God. For if it is about intelligence, then we will never gain infinity in a lifetime.

When you don't find God speaking of hell at any time after many civilizations have already came and fell and billions of souls have already died then all of a sudden there is a teaching of an eternal hell in a Roman Catholic "version" of a Bible that doesn't spark anything in your mind to research into this discrepancy? If we have respect of God do we teach the traditions of men or the truth of God? People need to stop looking to a man in the sky and realize that god is within.

Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Saddam Hussien, Mumar Ghadafi, and Ghandi were not Christians so are they in hell for not being a Christian?

 

[alissowack]

When you don't find God speaking of hell at any time after many civilizations have already came and fell and billions of souls have already died then all of a sudden there is a teaching of an eternal hell in a Roman Catholic "version" of a Bible that doesn't spark anything in your mind to research into this discrepancy? If we have respect of God do we teach the traditions of men or the truth of God? People need to stop looking to a man in the sky and realize that god is within.

Luke 17:21

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Saddam Hussien, Mumar Ghadafi, and Ghandi were not Christians so are they in hell for not being a Christian?

There is a verse in the Bible that speaks of God being beyond understanding and another that speaks of man's heart being deceitful and desperately wicked. The issue is not with the Roman Catholic Church (thought it has played a role). It is our deceitful hearts to think we can comphrend God. Hell exists...just not in the way the Roman Catholic Church supposedly taught it.

 

[beenwize]

There is a verse in the Bible that speaks of God being beyond understanding and another that speaks of man's heart being deceitful and desperately wicked. The issue is not with the Roman Catholic Church (thought it has played a role). It is our deceitful hearts to think we can comphrend God. Hell exists...just not in the way the Roman Catholic Church supposedly taught it.

yea hell exist as a condition on earth that's why the scripture speaks of death and hell being destroyed in revelations. You can seek god within you... You dont have to always restort outside of you to books tampered with by men to know who god is... God is love. Jesus did not teach people to be Bible thumpers he told taught people to be spiritually renewed and to live by the spirit. But now a days most people are religious Bible thumpers that dont live by the spirit nor seek god within. They seek god in a book.

2 Corinthians 3:6

He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant. This is a covenant not of written laws, but of the Spirit. The old written covenant ends in death; but under the new covenant, the Spirit gives life.

Matthew 28:20

Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

 

[alissowack]

yea hell exist as a condition on earth that's why the scripture speaks of death and hell being destroyed in revelations. You can seek god within you... You dont have to always restort outside of you to books tampered with by men to know who god is... God is love. Jesus did not teach people to be Bible thumpers he told taught people to be spiritually renewed and to live by the spirit. But now a days most people are religious Bible thumpers that dont live by the spirit nor seek god within. They seek god in a book.

2 Corinthians 3:6

He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant. This is a covenant not of written laws, but of the Spirit. The old written covenant ends in death; but under the new covenant, the Spirit gives life.

Matthew 28:20

Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

I would have to disagree with you. No one can and will seek God on their own merit. Our hearts want no part of God.

With those verses you posted, what to they mean in light of this passage of scripture?

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. (Jeremiah 17:9, 10 KJV)

 

[beenwize]

I would have to disagree with you. No one can and will seek God on their own merit. Our hearts want no part of God.

With those verses you posted, what to they mean in light of this passage of scripture?

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. (Jeremiah 17:9, 10 KJV)

Did you know your heart was wicked before u read the king james Bible? I swear some of you walk around brainwashed. The same book also tells u to seek god within and u shall find him. The heart has the potential to be desperately wicked if u let it and it also has the potential to be good if u let it, understand the context of scripture.

Jeremiah 29:12
Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.

And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Matthew 12:35
A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

Proverbs 17:22
A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.

Joel 2:12
Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:

And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.

 

[Rock_Well]

lol U dont even understand scripture...Show me where God told men about the punishment of an "eternal hell" thousands of years ago when the world began and when Moses gave the law? Why would God wait thousands of years AFTER many civilizations have already came and fell and then all of a sudden say there is an "eternal hell" now?

Actually yes i do understand scripture.

The Law of Moses barely even touches on the idea of eternal salvation in Heaven also. It wasn't til around Jesus time that God decided to explain that aspect of the law in more detail. Does that make the reality of eternal salvation any less real? No. So what are you getting at??? The Old Law in a lot of ways served as an introductory of the full and complete law that was to come through Christ. If you my friend had any truly thorough Biblical background maybe you would know that.

And that the OT scriptures don't go into detail about eternal Hell or Heaven doesn't mean that God people in that time didn't have knowledge of it even if it was only vague.

If there was an eternal hell then why did King David murder people and commit adultery and God did not say anything to him about an eternal hell?

I touched on part of why eternal Hell or Heaven isn't really mentioned in OT above.

Show me God giving the Ancient Egyptians, Ancient Israelites, Native Americans, Ancient Olmelecs, Ancient Mayans, Sumerians, Cannanites, Mesphotamians and all these ancient people a teaching of an eternal hell? Show me hell in the Old Testament?

umm. i think ima go with a, No? on that one. is that ok?

You the one building a case...the burden of proof is on you. Meanwhile while u continue to bring forth evidence - the parts of the Bible that you continue to misconcrue - i'll just continue to expose your folly on that. how about that?

You are indoctrinated under Roman Catholic teachings and if you want to believe the lies of men then do you. Just dont push your fear of hell propaganda over here. And if the gnostic teachings were false why was there millions of people following it during the 2nd and 3rd centuries and why were they slaughtered off by the Romans? What were the Romans trying to hide? If anything is shady its your Roman Catholic religion.

First off are you rly going to argue the legitimacy or rightfullness of a religious text from a numeric figure?

Second, bruh just stop talking plz. Why would the Roman Catholic church create a book that goes against the vast majority of it's own teachings? You either look at the Bible as a book from men or from God, you can't have both. You yourself quote the Bible, maybe we should assume you yourself are a covert Catholic.

The king james version is NOT original its a book that has been tampered with by men. Someone could have come out with a King Denzel Washington "version" Bible but it dont mean its the truth.

Again, you the one making a case so the proof falls on you. you the one coming with propaganda. i never seen anyone in here make such a claim anyway...so i hope you having fun playing with all that straw, building those scarecrows over there.