ESPN to Air ‘Outside the Lines’ Special Report on ‘The N-Word’ Sunday...

[caddo man]

And just to clear things up. Yall know this Nigga with a A and nigger with a ER.......... is some BS. People always f- up a word. Most people that say the word is usually saying it while not using the Queen's english. So miss me with that "there is a difference" BS. It is the same word used in different context. That is it.

 

[S2J]

And just to clear things up. Yall know this Nigga with a A and nigger with a ER.......... is some BS. People always f- up a word. Most people that say the word is usually saying it while not using the Queen's english. So miss me with that "there is a difference" BS. It is the same word used in different context. That is it.

Ngga are you serious?

Wow. I've never heard a black man say this. Scratch that...I;ve never heard ANYONE say this.

How old are you? Where are you from? I need to know the backstory of an adult black male in America who could fix his mouth (keyboard) to say some dumb shyt like this.

@caddo_man

 

[playmaker88]

I can agree with a certain point that nigga isnt always used "lovingly" between other niggas sometimes its the icing on the cake of a vile action..as opposed to nigger which is often..... or as itake it a prelude to a vile act.

However, if they would have said we dont tolerate the use of slurs in totality it wouldnt be as ridiculous of a notion of a 15 yarf flag for shit you cant hear anyhow....

Unless a qb is at the line saying nigger nigga nigger

Or if someone spikes the ball and says take that nigga

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

Ngga are you serious?

Wow. I've never heard a black man say this. Scratch that...I;ve never heard ANYONE say this.

How old are you? Where are you from? I need to know the backstory of an adult black male in America who could fix his mouth (keyboard) to say some dumb shyt like this.

@caddo_man

He's right. There is no difference between the 2 words. It's similar to a person up north saying it vs. a person down south. People in the south sound like they end every -er with -a to people who are not from the south.

This is why black people who know what it really is don't allow anyone but black people to say the word, and sometimes not even that. Some black people don't allow anyone to say it around them. You can't pull the wool over our eyes.

... Predicting your response, I also want to point out that these coon ass entertainers do not speak for black people as a whole, and never will. They speak for themselves and at the very most, their family legacy. Not to mention, a lot of times they're not genuine with their statements since they're trying to sell jerseys or albums or sell a brand.

 

[aneed123]

No . I never in my life said or heard another black person say nigger. Only whites and other races .... Black folk say nigga.

 

[Swiffness!]

To me it is like using curse words in general. You use the words to express yourself but only in certain settings. A person that curses all the time usually finds themselves at a lost for words when in a situation where cursing is frowned upon.

That's the thing...

black person calling black person n-word = SWEAR WORD

WHITE person calling black person n-word = RACIAL SLUR

But is the NFL gonna pass a rule banning "fuck" or talmbout a dude's mother? Of course not.

Deadspin Ether'd this bullshit from both the NFL and ESPN beautifully:

In any case, the show sucked, for the same reason the proposed rule change sucks: Even after 400 years of slavery and de jure and de facto racism in this country, we still don't know how to talk about "nigger." We treat the word as a matter of etiquette, as a thing one shouldn't say in civilized society, and rarely reckon with what it actually means for someone to say it.

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We don't like to talk about this, and so we talk around it instead. We get conversations about rap lyrics, referenda on saggy pants. We get rules and hourlong specials devoted to the forms of racism rather than any exploration of the thing itself. We don't talk about where it comes from, or how it expresses itself. We don't even talk about what it actually meant for Richie Incognito to call Jonathan Martin a "half-nigger piece of shit," or the power dynamic in play there—a dynamic that doesn't change if you take one freighted word out of Richie Incognito's vocabulary. The word "nigger" didn't give Incognito license to terrorize the guy he perceived as his lesser; it gave him a tool.

Another part of history, though, is change. In ESPN's strongest segment, a camera crew went to Teaneck High School in New Jersey to tape kids' reactions to the word. Many of them used it and heard it all the time. Most of the time, they were unfazed, because of its context. The sight of their young faces, mixed in among those of older dudes like Mean Joe Greene, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and Jason Whitlock, did more than anything else to show how much this debate was about a generation gap. Older folks hear the word, and it immediately summons all sorts of specters—the violence Whitlock described, maybe, or the memory of indignities endured. Younger folks hear the word now and—depending on the context—shrug. (I'm 25. I say "nigga" all day, every day, and can't remember once directing the word at someone in unironic derision or hatred.)

The evolution of the word is pretty unfathomable and even tragic to many old people, but it's no less real for being resisted by the sort of people who furrow their brows on news specials. There's something healthy about it, in any case. It acknowledges the situational nature of language, that context matters.

In this respect, the NFL's proposed rule is hilariously wrongheaded. It plucks the word out of context, out of history, fixing a precise value on the use of a racial slur. Players are penalized 15 yards for saying "nigger"—not five or 10, or 20 yards, or a down, but 15 yards. Worse than holding, not as bad as intentional grounding. The rule is meant to stop a mountain troll like Incognito from looking across the line of scrimmage at a black player and calling him "nigger." But if such a rule were ever implemented and interpreted with the NFL's usual literal-mindedness, it would only end up policing and punishing more young black men who grew up with the word as a term of endearment than white men who would wield it with malice. Does anyone really think that a black player congratulating a teammate with "My nigga!" is using the same word that Richie Incognito was using?

The problem isn't the word "nigger." The problem is racism. Nothing is accomplished by conflating the two.
http://deadspin.com/what-espn-and-the-nfl-dont-talk-about-when-they-talk-a-1529286618

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and of course, the top comment was GOAT:

NFL: "Nigger" is a bad word that drags us back to the days of slavery. Now step on this scale and run the 40 yard dash so we can measure your physical attributes and let rich white men decide where you get to live and work.

 

[Mister B.]

This explains it all....

 

[aneed123]

Give me an example if a black person saying nigger

 

[jono]

The no fun league strikes again.

Can't have touchdown celebrations because it hurts the other team's feelings.

Now you can't even talk how you want to talk because some dumb cracker used a word he shouldn't have and had to be punished for it.

All it boils down to is control. That's it, there's nothing fancy or highly intellectual about it. Just like when the NBA comes up with stupid rules that have no impact on the game.

It's all about reminding these millionaire, mostly black players that they ain't shit but highly paid employees and that the owners are the bosses and they can control your every move, how you dress and now how you speak.

It's ridiculous. It's not about the world nigga at all, it's about corporate control over other people.

 

[caddo man]

No . I never in my life said or heard another black person say nigger. Only whites and other races .... Black folk say nigga.

How many black you know actually sound out the ER in any word. Unless he is giving a dissertation, he is not it.

Let do this.
http://www.scrabblefinder.com/ends-with/er/

Have someone that uses the n word, read ten words off this list and tell me how many sound out the er vs using ah sound instead. Then you will see my point.

 

[Inglewood_B]

Most unnecessary ESPN special ever

 

[trACE_evidence]

The campaign against the word nigga is only to make white people feel more comfortable.

Some don't want anyone using the word if they can't use it.

I'm also starting to feel like certain people want the word eliminated so people forget where the word actually came from in this country.

"If we eradicate the word nigga/nigger, in 50-100 years we'll be able to act like slavery/Jim crow never even happened."

Nigga is a constant reminder of this county's unsavory history.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

The campaign against the word nigga is only to make white people feel more comfortable.

Some don't want anyone using the word if they can't use it.

I'm also starting to feel like certain people want the word eliminated so people forget where the word actually came from in this country.

"If we eradicate the word nigga/nigger, in 50-100 years we'll be able to act like slavery/Jim crow never even happened."

Nigga is a constant reminder of this county's unsavory history.

Honestly, you can't put this on white people. Black people are the ones that make an issue out of it. You can't get mad because white people want try and make it so that's it's not an issue anymore. Take a step back, and think about how stupid it it is for us to publicaly use that word in everyday life, music, movies, etc... but then turn around and get mad when someone of another race uses it. Black people want it both ways, but that shit isn't realistic. You either want the word to disappear from the country's lexicon or you want to redefine it. If you want it to disappear, no one should use it. If you want to redefine it, then you can't get mad at others when they use it as long as it's according to the new definition and not the old.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

Honestly, you can't put this on white people. Black people are the ones that make an issue out of it. You can't get mad because white people want try and make it so that's it's not an issue anymore. Take a step back, and think about how stupid it it is for us to publicaly use that word in everyday life, music, movies, etc... but then turn around and get mad when someone of another race uses it. Black people want it both ways, but that shit isn't realistic. You either want the word to disappear from the country's lexicon or you want to redefine it. If you want it to disappear, no one should use it. If you want to redefine it, then you can't get mad at others when they use it as long as it's according to the new definition and not the old.

First off, white people have tons of double standards they live by, so miss me with the both ways comment.

Second, we can't control what the entertainers say and do, and we want to make it clear that they don't represent us. Just because JayZ says "nigga this nigga that", doesn't mean I say it, nor does it mean I'm okay with him saying it.

Most of us who do use "nigga," use it behind close doors or with our (black) friends, the same way every other race talks completely different in an unfamiliar environment vs. when they're with their friends.

... Ain't nobody redefining shit, and we're DEFINITELY not getting rid of the word. The rules will stay as long as we have real (black) men in this world. If you're a non-black person and you say the word, YOU WILL GET CHECKED, and that shit WILL NEVER change.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

No . I never in my life said or heard another black person say nigger. Only whites and other races .... Black folk say nigga.

They are the same word!!


What was Chris Rock referring to when he said "niggas" in his set? Was it closer to your definition of nigga or your definition of nigger?

 

[atribecalledgabi]

The campaign against the word nigga is only to make white people feel more comfortable.

Some don't want anyone using the word if they can't use it.

I'm also starting to feel like certain people want the word eliminated so people forget where the word actually came from in this country.

"If we eradicate the word nigga/nigger, in 50-100 years we'll be able to act like slavery/Jim crow never even happened."

Nigga is a constant reminder of this county's unsavory history.

the bolded is really all this boils down to. i've had to take a step back & curtail my usage of nigga in public around certain people cuz non black people (mainly just white ppl tho) don't know how to act when it comes to that word. everything in black culture is supposed to be for everybody on some "you guys do it all the time!" but every other culture gets respect for their nuances. it's bullshit.

i came out of a bar last month & saw these jewish dudes (only knew they were jewish because there was a bar mitzvah down the street) talkin & called somebody a kike & they busted out laughin. me & the people i was with thought nothing of it cuz it's none of our business. people refuse to extend that courtesy to us tho.

 

[S2J]

I just can't...

When it comes to this word people become absolute genius-morons.

@ nothinbuttheruth please gtfoh w/ that textbook argument for a real-life issue.

Look man. Idk how much simplere to explain this:

What's up boy!?

Shut up boy.

Husband to wife: Hi sweetheart

Male employer to female employee: Sweetheart thats not how we do things...

Same words. Different context, Thus different meaning.

THE SHYT IS NOT DIFFICULT.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Honestly, you can't put this on white people. Black people are the ones that make an issue out of it. You can't get mad because white people want try and make it so that's it's not an issue anymore. Take a step back, and think about how stupid it it is for us to publicaly use that word in everyday life, music, movies, etc... but then turn around and get mad when someone of another race uses it. Black people want it both ways, but that shit isn't realistic. You either want the word to disappear from the country's lexicon or you want to redefine it. If you want it to disappear, no one should use it. If you want to redefine it, then you can't get mad at others when they use it as long as it's according to the new definition and not the old.

First off, white people have tons of double standards they live by, so miss me with the both ways comment.

Second, we can't control what the entertainers say and do, and we want to make it clear that they don't represent us. Just because JayZ says "nigga this nigga that", doesn't mean I say it, nor does it mean I'm okay with him saying it.

Most of us who do use "nigga," use it behind close doors or with our (black) friends, the same way every other race talks completely different in an unfamiliar environment vs. when they're with their friends.

... Ain't nobody redefining shit, and we're DEFINITELY not getting rid of the word. The rules will stay as long as we have real (black) men in this world. If you're a non-black person and you say the word, YOU WILL GET CHECKED, and that shit WILL NEVER change.

Nigga you sound like a kid on some "They do it, so why can't I?" shit.

And I get what you're saying. You can't control what other people do. But if you ain't complaining about all the black people using the word in public, then why complain about the obvious consequences of that, which are other groups thinking it's fair game.

And the shit has been redefined. What are you talking about. When cat's go around saying "What's up my nigga?" That most definitely means something different than it originally did. And why wouldn't you want to get rid of the word? Is there something good about keeping a harmful word around? I don't get it. Somebody is going to have to explain to me why you would choose to continue to give a word that much power. It's like some people just want something to cry about.

 

[trACE_evidence]

Honestly, you can't put this on white people. Black people are the ones that make an issue out of it. You can't get mad because white people want try and make it so that's it's not an issue anymore. Take a step back, and think about how stupid it it is for us to publicaly use that word in everyday life, music, movies, etc... but then turn around and get mad when someone of another race uses it. Black people want it both ways, but that shit isn't realistic. You either want the word to disappear from the country's lexicon or you want to redefine it. If you want it to disappear, no one should use it. If you want to redefine it, then you can't get mad at others when they use it as long as it's according to the new definition and not the old.

First off, white people have tons of double standards they live by, so miss me with the both ways comment.

Second, we can't control what the entertainers say and do, and we want to make it clear that they don't represent us. Just because JayZ says "nigga this nigga that", doesn't mean I say it, nor does it mean I'm okay with him saying it.

Most of us who do use "nigga," use it behind close doors or with our (black) friends, the same way every other race talks completely different in an unfamiliar environment vs. when they're with their friends.

... Ain't nobody redefining shit, and we're DEFINITELY not getting rid of the word. The rules will stay as long as we have real (black) men in this world. If you're a non-black person and you say the word, YOU WILL GET CHECKED, and that shit WILL NEVER change.

Nigga you sound like a kid on some "They do it, so why can't I?" shit.

And I get what you're saying. You can't control what other people do. But if you ain't complaining about all the black people using the word in public, then why complain about the obvious consequences of that, which are other groups thinking it's fair game.

And the shit has been redefined. What are you talking about. When cat's go around saying "What's up my nigga?" That most definitely means something different than it originally did. And why wouldn't you want to get rid of the word? Is there something good about keeping a harmful word around? I don't get it. Somebody is going to have to explain to me why you would choose to continue to give a word that much power. It's like some people just want something to cry about.

There are plenty of hurtful words out there. Why start with this one? Especially if the word has been redefined for us to use if WE feel like we want to.

The ONLY reason is to make people that aren't black feel more comfortable.

And even if every black person on earth stopped using the word, do you really think it would go away?

This move by the NFL is about control. It has nothing to do with how horrible they believe the word is.

 

[marc123]

The campaign against the word nigga is only to make white people feel more comfortable.

Some don't want anyone using the word if they can't use it.

I'm also starting to feel like certain people want the word eliminated so people forget where the word actually came from in this country.

"If we eradicate the word nigga/nigger, in 50-100 years we'll be able to act like slavery/Jim crow never even happened."

Nigga is a constant reminder of this county's unsavory history.

c/s all the above. under rated posted. my nigga