"End of Times"

[ThaChozenWun]

Ive been searching forever on this so good luck, I've seriosuly found nothing about anyone being taken first and have seen more evidence that if this God guy would be real and happen to set the end of times, that everyone would suffer and witness the power he unleashes before the saving would begin.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Dispensationalism

Has that misinterpreted the bible? How does anyone get that they will be taken 1st, before this 7 year theory? In the bible it doesn't specify anything at all a before or after.

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15

 

[ThaChozenWun]

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15

That doesnt say your going first.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Ive been searching forever on this so good luck, I've seriosuly found nothing about anyone being taken first and have seen more evidence that if this God guy would be real and happen to set the end of times, that everyone would suffer and witness the power he unleashes before the saving would begin.

You have to study the word of God.



"1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. 11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do." 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10

God has not appointed us (those who believe in Him) to wrath, but to obtain salvation through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Study the word of God my brother.

 

[VIBE]

But because you study and are a follower of God, a man of God it means nothing about 1st or 2nd. The bible NEVER specifies the order of ANYONE or any "RELIGION" of going 1st to heaven.

TBH, to me it would make more sense in leaving everyone to be in this 7 year tribulation.

So if there isn't a specification, and this man who created this whole theory, then isn't he wrong? Therefore his whole dispensation of the bible would be false? Or partly IF NOT whole.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

But because you study and are a follower of God, a man of God it means nothing about 1st or 2nd. The bible NEVER specifies the order of ANYONE or any "RELIGION" of going 1st to heaven.

TBH, to me it would make more sense in leaving everyone to be in this 7 year tribulation.

So if there isn't a specification, and this man who created this whole theory, then isn't he wrong? Therefore his whole dispensation of the bible would be false? Or partly IF NOT whole.

I just posted 1 Thessalonians 5 which makes a clear distinction between two groups of people. Those who believe in God and those who don't. In verse 3 Paul speaks about sudden destruction coming upon "them", not us. Later in verse 9 paul speaks about "us" and says that God has not appointed "us" to wrath, but to obtain salvation. The tribulation period is a time of Gods judgment and wrath. What purpose would God have in leaving those who love Him on the earth to experience His wrath, when He has saved us from His wrath? It doesn't make any sense my brother. Here is 1 Thessalonians 5 1:11. Don't just read it, but study it and see the distinctions that God is making between the 2 groups of people. Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal His truth to you my friend. God will help you understand, He wants you to understand.

"1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. 11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do."

 

[ThaChozenWun]

You have to study the word of God.



"1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. 11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do." 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10

God has not appointed us (those who believe in Him) to wrath, but to obtain salvation through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Study the word of God my brother.

Ive studied the bible until I was fourteen, and even after that I read it atleast once a year for the last 7 years looking for answers. Ive seen this hundreds of times, It still does not specify who goes 1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on before the act is done. It says that men of the lord will be saved but they are still here. Ill honestly probably be studying the bible until I die unless there is concrete evidence that God doesnt exist. I will say it again it does state that those in favor with the Lord will be safe and unharmed, however it doesnt say anywhere they wont witness and be on Earth while these acts are done.

 

[phanatron]

The Millerites had the end-time figured to an exact date. Based upon study and revelation, Jesus was supposed to come back the first Sabbath in August....1833. When the date came and went, they figured it to be a calculation error and revised the date to be in 1843.

When that didn't happened, the Millerites splintered up and from that group we get the Seventh-Day Adventist. Yay.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

The Millerites had the end-time figured to an exact date. Based upon study and revelation, Jesus was supposed to come back the first Sabbath in August....1833. When the date came and went, they figured it to be a calculation error and revised the date to be in 1843.

When that didn't happened, the Millerites splintered up and from that group we get the Seventh-Day Adventist. Yay.

^^^^^^^ This man knows what hes talking about

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Ive studied the bible until I was fourteen, and even after that I read it atleast once a year for the last 7 years looking for answers. Ive seen this hundreds of times, It still does not specify who goes 1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on before the act is done. It says that men of the lord will be saved but they are still here. Ill honestly probably be studying the bible until I die unless there is concrete evidence that God doesnt exist. I will say it again it does state that those in favor with the Lord will be safe and unharmed, however it doesnt say anywhere they wont witness and be on Earth while these acts are done.

Thats good that you have studied the Bible and it's also great to hear that you will not stop studying the Bible. But what I want to know is what purpose does God have in leaving His true church (body of believers) on the earth for the Great tribulation? It is a time of wrath and judgment for those who don't know God. Jesus is our hope and our salvation, if that is true, why would the church have to go through the Great Tribulation? It makes no sense.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

The Millerites had the end-time figured to an exact date. Based upon study and revelation, Jesus was supposed to come back the first Sabbath in August....1833. When the date came and went, they figured it to be a calculation error and revised the date to be in 1843.

When that didn't happened, the Millerites splintered up and from that group we get the Seventh-Day Adventist. Yay.

Whats your point? People have set dates throughout history. Jesus Christ told us that no one knows the day nor hour. If people would just believe God, we would be alright. It's simple my friend. Repent and believe the Gospel. Don't add to it and don't take away from it.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Thats good that you have studied the Bible and it's also great to hear that you will not stop studying the Bible. But what I want to know is what purpose does God have in leaving His true church (body of believers) on the earth for the Great tribulation? It is a time of wrath and judgment for those who don't know God. Jesus is our hope and our salvation, if that is true, why would the church have to go through the Great Tribulation? It makes no sense.

It makes no sense to leave his people here in a time of great destruction your right, but why did he not say he would take them before it happened. No verses, No scripture, no other gospels, no acient texts nothing says God will deliver his people to another place, no one says they will not witness this. It seems to me as if people will be here to witness the end and see the power that God has.

Now if you look at it that way it doesnt neccasarily contradict your beliefs, it could be God will allow them to witness this but guard them from harm so he can restart new life when the old age of sin is vanquished and these people who witnessed will be a testament to future generations on what has happened and that anybody who will smite God in future will ultimatlely deal with the same fate.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Whats your point? People have set dates throughout history. Jesus Christ told us that no one knows the day nor hour. If people would just believe God, we would be alright. It's simple my friend. Repent and believe the Gospel. Don't add to it and don't take away from it.

People have added new to it ever since Jesus died. The new testament has taken things away from it. Classic example, old testaments not all sins are or can be fogiven, new testament any and all sins can be forgiven. Adding and Removing is done to it. Im sure you read and believe the new testament as a man of your faith should, you should know that these are two differences and theres nothing to go around it with, how is it Gods word was changed and its nothing major?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

It makes no sense to leave his people here in a time of great destruction your right, but why did he not say he would take them before it happened. No verses, No scripture, no other gospels, no acient texts nothing says God will deliver his people to another place, no one says they will not witness this. It seems to me as if people will be here to witness the end and see the power that God has.

Now if you look at it that way it doesnt neccasarily contradict your beliefs, it could be God will allow them to witness this but guard them from harm so he can restart new life when the old age of sin is vanquished and these people who witnessed will be a testament to future generations on what has happened and that anybody who will smite God in future will ultimatlely deal with the same fate.

There are scriptures that reference it my brother. Revelation 3:10 states it specifically. "10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." God is speaking to the last true church that will be on the earth before the Great Tribulation. We are living in this time right now. The apostate church, the church of Laodecia, is sprouting up as well and this is the false church that will be left behind because God will spew this church out of it's mouth. Just read Revelation 3:14-19 and see how it perfectly describes a lot of the churches that are in existence today.

Again, Jesus said that He will keep us, His true church (philadelphia), from "the hour of temptation". This hour of temptation will try "them", not us.

You see you have to read the word of God and follow the distinctions that God makes throughout it my friend. You have to study the word thoroughly and have the Lord reveal His truth to you. The rapture is coming my friend. Believe the gospel.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

People have added new to it ever since Jesus died. The new testament has taken things away from it. Classic example, old testaments not all sins are or can be fogiven, new testament any and all sins can be forgiven. Adding and Removing is done to it. Im sure you read and believe the new testament as a man of your faith should, you should know that these are two differences and theres nothing to go around it with, how is it Gods word was changed and its nothing major?

Here is a good breakdown in regards to the OT vs NT.

Question: "Old Testament vs. New Testament - What are the differences?"

Answer: The Old Testament lays the foundation for the teachings and events found in the New Testament. The Bible is a progressive revelation. If you skip the first half of any good book and try to finish it, you will have a hard time understanding the characters, the plot, and the ending. In the same way, the New Testament is only completely understood when it is seen as a fulfillment of the events, characters, laws, sacrificial system, covenants, and promises of the Old Testament.

If we only had the New Testament, we would come to the gospels and not know why the Jews were looking for a Messiah (a Savior King). Without the Old Testament, we would not understand why this Messiah was coming (see Isaiah 53), and we would not have been able to identify Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah through the many detailed prophecies that were given concerning Him, e.g., His birthplace (Micah 5:2); His manner of death (Psalm 22, especially vv. 1, 7-8, 14-18; Psalm 69:21), His resurrection (Psalm 16:10), and many more details of His ministry (Isaiah 52:19, 9:2).

Without the Old Testament, we would not understand the Jewish customs that are mentioned in passing in the New Testament. We would not understand the perversions that the Pharisees had made to God's law as they added their traditions to it. We would not understand why Jesus was so upset as He cleansed the temple courtyard. We would not understand that we can make use of the same wisdom that Christ used in His many replies to His adversaries.

The New Testament Gospels and the Acts of the apostles record many of the fulfillments of prophecies that were recorded hundreds of years earlier in the Old Testament. In the circumstances of Jesus' birth, life, miracles, death, and resurrection as found in the Gospels, we find the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies that relate to the Messiah's first coming. It is these details that validate Jesus' claim to be the promised Christ. And even the prophecies in the New Testament (many of which are in the book of Revelation) are built upon earlier prophecies found in Old Testament books. These New Testament prophecies relate to events surrounding the second coming of Christ. Roughly two out of three verses in Revelation are based on or related to Old Testament verses.

Also, because the revelation in Scripture is progressive, the New Testament brings into focus teachings that were only alluded to in the Old Testament. The book of Hebrews describes how Jesus is the true High Priest and how His one sacrifice replaces all of the previous sacrifices, which were mere portrayals. The Old Testament gives the Law, which has two parts: the commandments and the blessing/curse that comes from obedience or disobedience to those commands. The New Testament clarifies that God gave those commandments to show men their need of salvation; they were never intended to be a means of salvation (Romans 3:19).

The Old Testament describes the sacrificial system God gave the Israelites to temporarily cover their sins. The New Testament clarifies that this system alluded to the sacrifice of Christ through whom alone salvation is found (Acts 4:12; Hebrews 10:4-10). The Old Testament saw paradise lost; the New Testament shows how paradise was regained for mankind through the second Adam (Christ) and how it will one day be restored. The Old Testament declares that man was separated from God through sin (Genesis chapter 3), and the New Testament declares that man can now be restored in his relationship to God (Romans chapters 3–6). The Old Testament predicted the Messiah's life. The Gospels primarily record Jesus' life, and the Epistles interpret His life and how we are to respond to all He has done.

Without the Old Testament we would not understand the promises God will yet fulfill to the Jewish nation. As a result, we would not properly see that the tribulation period is a seven-year period in which He will specifically be working with the Jewish nation who rejected His first coming but who will receive Him at His second coming. We would not understand how Christ's future 1000-year reign fits in with His promises to the Jews, or how Gentiles will fit in. Nor would we see how the end of the Bible ties up the loose ends that were unraveled in the beginning of the Bible, restoring the paradise that God originally created this world to be.

In summary, the Old Testament lays the foundation for, and was meant to prepare the Israelites for, the coming of the Messiah who would sacrifice Himself for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2). The New Testament shares the life of Jesus Christ and then looks back on what He did and how we are to respond to His gift of eternal life and live our lives in gratitude for all He has done for us (Romans 12). Both testaments reveal the same holy, merciful, and righteous God who must condemn sin but who desires to bring to Himself a fallen human race of sinners through the forgiveness only possible through Christ's atoning sacrifice. In both testaments, God reveals Himself to us and how we are to come to Him through Jesus Christ. In both testaments, we find all we need for eternal life and godly living (2 Timothy 3:15-17).

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Ok I understand it better now by why did it take almost 400 years after Jesus died before it was changed? Is there a waiting period? If somethin this big and dramatical with such change takes 375 years to become official how can honestly say its true. The earliest Gospel in the new testament was written around 80 ad, the last being written about 340 ad. How do you know thinks werent forgotten or changed in the final version of these gospels some were floating around for anywhere between 75-290 years after he was crucified. It would have been easy for someone to add or subtract from it without people knowing. How can you trust someone to write the story of someone only passed down in Oral form for 200 years before its acually written down? I have trouble believing whole gospels could be memorized and passed to at least 3 or 4 different people verbally before being wrote down and still be 100% accurate. IMO somerhing so drastic in change should have been written down immediatley not slept on and kept in our minds until we decide to make a new book.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Ok I understand it better now by why did it take almost 400 years after Jesus died before it was changed? Is there a waiting period? If somethin this big and dramatical with such change takes 375 years to become official how can honestly say its true. The earliest Gospel in the new testament was written around 80 ad, the last being written about 340 ad. How do you know thinks werent forgotten or changed in the final version of these gospels some were floating around for anywhere between 75-290 years after he was crucified. It would have been easy for someone to add or subtract from it without people knowing. How can you trust someone to write the story of someone only passed down in Oral form for 200 years before its acually written down? I have trouble believing whole gospels could be memorized and passed to at least 3 or 4 different people verbally before being wrote down and still be 100% accurate. IMO somerhing so drastic in change should have been written down immediatley not slept on and kept in our minds until we decide to make a new book.

God is soveriegn my friend. If God is soveriegn that means that He has all power. If God has all power, don't you believe that He would preserve His eternal word? The Bible is all about the revelation of Jesus Christ to humanity. It is Gods testimony about His Son and what He did for us. The central message of the Bible is Jesus Christ. Nothing more and nothing less. God has preserved His word through-out the ages because Gods word is eternal. The devil, the world, and man have tried to destroy it, but they have been utterly defeated time and time again. The Bible stand the test of time because God is true and His word if true. No other book on the face of this planet has changed more lives than the eternal word of God. Is it just be coincidence that the Bible is the best selling and most published book of all time? I think not my friend. There is power in the word of God because it is living and active, sharper than any 2 edged sword. It's funny that people think that they read the Bible, but the Bible actually reads them. The Bible is a mirror and it shows humanity how it really is. Thats why a lot of people are afraid of it. They don't want to be transformed by it.

"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." Romans 12:2

 

[ThaChozenWun]

God is soveriegn my friend. If God is soveriegn that means that He has all power. If God has all power, don't you believe that He would preserve His eternal word? The Bible is all about the revelation of Jesus Christ to humanity. It is Gods testimony about His Son and what He did for us. The central message of the Bible is Jesus Christ. Nothing more and nothing less. God has preserved His word through-out the ages because Gods word is eternal. The devil, the world,and man have tried to destroy it, but they have been utterly defeated time and time again. The Bible stand the test of time because God is true and His word if true. No other book on the face of this planet has changed more lives than the eternal word of God. Is it just be coincidence that the Bible is the best selling and most published book of all time? I think not my friend. There is power in the word of God because it is living and active, sharper than any 2 edged sword. It's funny that people think that they read the Bible, but the Bible actually reads them. The Bible is a mirror and it shows humanity how it really is. Thats why a lot of people are afraid of it. They don't want to be transformed by it.

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."Romans 12:2

1st bolded.) So in the case of global warming we should do nothing just sit back and let god fix it as he always has because it is man who has destoyed the ozone layer and created the issue?

2. Bolded ) IMO it is the best selling book of all time 1, cause it is one the oldest, 2. Because people fear it, people use it as a false sense of security, 3. Everybody doin life reads it, 4.) It is simply because it gives people the sense that there is more to life, that they are more than just a life on a lonely planet, that they can have this wonderful after life, and people buy it because they think it holds there future. If you told someone theres a book out who will tell them where they are headed further on in life and most people believe this and people are not allowed to speak out on it being untrue, then people are going to flock on it because its human nature to want to understand what life is, why we are here, and where we go when we die. Thats what the bible did, it was written, science was banned for thousands of year to make sure the bible wasnt picked apart and proven wrong in areas, people were told this is true and holds the future and they bought into it. Now that science is accepted and has been doing there thing with studying and figuring out our real history, more and more people are now questioning it and turning to truth rather than the word of a dozen people. In 100 years the number of religious people will be dramatically decreased I believe

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

1st bolded.) So in the case of global warming we should do nothing just sit back and let god fix it as he always has because it is man who has destoyed the ozone layer and created the issue?

2. Bolded ) IMO it is the best selling book of all time 1, cause it is one the oldest, 2. Because people fear it, people use it as a false sense of security, 3. Everybody doin life reads it, 4.) It is simply because it gives people the sense that there is more to life, that they are more than just a life on a lonely planet, that they can have this wonderful after life, and people buy it because they think it holds there future. If you told someone theres a book out who will tell them where they are headed further on in life and most people believe this and people are not allowed to speak out on it being untrue, then people are going to flock on it because its human nature to want to understand what life is, why we are here, and where we go when we die. Thats what the bible did, it was written, science was banned for thousands of year to make sure the bible wasnt picked apart and proven wrong in areas, people were told this is true and holds the future and they bought into it. Now that science is accepted and has been doing there thing with studying and figuring out our real history, more and more people are now questioning it and turning to truth rather than the word of a dozen people. In 100 years the number of religious people will be dramatically decreased I believe

1. LOL @ global warming. Believe the gospel my friend. The real global warming is coming and you don't want to be here when it happens.

"and the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory." Revelation 16:8-9

2. How do you know that there is still another 100 years left in this age? Also science hasn't disproved anything in the Bible. 2 things that have come from scientific thought, evolution and the big bang, are distortions brought about by people looking for other explanations for why the world is.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

1. LOL @ global warming. Believe the gospel my friend. The real global warming is coming and you don't want to be here when it happens.

"and the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory." Revelation 16:8-9

2. How do you know that there is still another 100 years left in this age? Also science hasn't disproved anything in the Bible. 2 things that have come from scientific thought, evolution and the big bang, are distortions brought about by people looking for other explanations for why the world is.

So you dont believe global warming is real?