Eminem Lyrically Is Better Than Biggie...

[5th Letter]

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Niggas always bringing other shit. The nigga made great music and that makes him a legend.

exactly

I dont agree that Pac was the reason that Biggie is a legend.

I checked the RiAA and his singles and album were major in '95 and an entire region was behind him so I disagree with that statement.

i'm surprised you agree with me

Nice side stepping you tried to make a point but have nothing factual to prove it with now your dodging and talking around your argument trying to go a new direction. Man Up own you fucked up in the argument and keep it moving you just look like a jack ass with this spin shit. My initial statement holds true unless you have some type of proof he was talked about outside of music before his death as brother Shakur was. His status as a legend was made through Death and in life he was a stray line by a reporter talking about Tupac outside of music learn to deal...

how did i sidestep? i said that biggie was popping in the mid 90's and he was talked about in other ways besides a beef with tupac, then you tried to sidestep by talking about pac being talked about outside of music and how big wasn't talked about outside of music which i didn't deny. you said biggie was only talked about as apart of the many rappers pac was beefing with in 96, like biggie wasn't the face of the east like pac wasn't the face of the west during the east/west rivalry.

now i have no idea why you're hellbent on me proving whether biggie was talked about outside of music.

 

[DarkRaiden]

ahh u might wanna rethink that.

stan -an overrated good song that he stole the idea from someone else, and Proof supposedly wrote it.
til i collapse-a terrible song with terrible lyrics
his verse on dead wrong??? Yo that ish is bananas...(Stole from Royce Renegade and was ass, Big ate him)
and 3 am...-never heard it, if anything like the rest of his work, it's not fucking with Big
bonnie n clyde- see above
scary movies--see above
bad meets evil..-this was terrible, he sucked and Royce ate him always

SMH at you uncle tom niggas dancing for massa' and sticking up for the white man.

 

[refcortez]

Thought this was common knowledge

the thread is still open after this?

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

exactly

i'm surprised you agree with me

how did i sidestep? i said that biggie was popping in the mid 90's and he was talked about in other ways besides a beef with tupac, then you tried to sidestep by talking about pac being talked about outside of music and how big wasn't talked about outside of music which i didn't deny. you said biggie was only talked about as apart of the many rappers pac was beefing with in 96, like biggie wasn't the face of the east like pac wasn't the face of the west during the east/west rivalry.

now i have no idea why you're hellbent on me proving whether biggie was talked about outside of music.

1st off my original statement that you responded to

Basically it is like this some legends are so while living and others do not become so untill death, Pac while Living was a legend the world press tracked his every move he was constantly talked about outside of music, he came from a still legendary family etc... Biggies became a legend after death in large part due to being connected to Pacs Living Legend he never was talked about outside of music till he died and even then it was all tied to Tupacs legend and their Deaths. Again ! legend while Living the other became Legend in death...

your response to that was

biggie was never talked about til after his death? i mean really? biggie wasn't popping in the mid 90's? and yes you're right there are some legends that became legendary after their death (william shakespeare) but that doesn't apply to biggie at all. even before he died he was already considered one of the best of all time and this was while hip hop was less than 20 years old.

I reitereated it again very clear wording

Reading is Fundamental Biggie was not talked about outside of Music till after he died unless it was mentioning him in a list of people Pac was beefing with he was not a legend till he died Pac was in life anyone who was paying attention nationlly and even internationally in the 90's knows this learn to deal...

Now you have take it to other places after you could not substantiate your claims and are ignoring what I actually said so keep spinning eventually you will get dizzy...

 

[verbal juke]

1st off my original statement that you responded to
your response to that was

I reitereated it again very clear wording

Now you have take it to other places after you could not substantiate your claims and are ignoring what I actually said so keep spinning eventually you will get dizzy...

I'm listening to your argument in regards to Biggie not being mentioned on a national stage as much as Pac. You are correct, Pac was more famous, but I would have to disagree that Biggie did not become a Legend until he died. I'm not sure if you guys just read through past history or actually lived it. Now back in the early 90's before the advent of mass internet in every household popularity was garnered a couple of ways, One being word of mouth. The hip hop community being much closer knit at the time, The Dj's played a vital role for establishing artist. Provided that "Sean Combs" was in Biggies corner, Every DJ in all areas had wind of Biggie. Puff had the machine behind him. Was Big talented? Of course he was but that "machine" pushed him to the front of the pack out of NY rappers at the time. I was living in NYC and anyone old enough to be in the scene would agree with me... I remember hearing a Big L mixtape and I wish I still had it, but it had Big L flowing on that "One more chance" sample I think it's an sample of El Debarge. It started to catch a little buzz, next thing you know, Biggie had the same sample much more cleaner and more friendly for the radio. All the Dj's got it and L's version was gone.. I say that to say, Big had someone well known in the hip hop community crafting his career it's foolish to think that he was not going to rise to the top with his talent.

As far as Pac goes, let's be clear, Pac was not well known in other circles for his music at the time but for the extra curricular that was going on . Pac gained nationally attention when one of the most popular pop artist at the time "Janet Jackson" refused to be in a film with him "Poetic Justice" unless he had an Aids test. This was not to far from the time that Magic came out that he had the Monster. That publicity gave Pac light. I believe that same year Pac was arrested for shooting two off duty police officers in Atlanta. The news caught wind and all hell broke loose. They started doing background checks on the cat and it was confirmed that his Mother was part of the Black Panthers and so forth and it created in image of Pac that became menacing to "White folk". He actually got off on the charges with the Cops but ended up getting caught with another charge of Rape. All this happened within a year and a half to two year span... So once again I say all that to say Pac was not known in outside circles for his music but for his extracurriculars... That's the only difference between the two homeboy... I can't see you refuting this...

 

[MICHAEL-V.I.]

dave chappelle dylan >>>>> real dylan

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dylan -dylan -dylan-dylan-dylan

 

[MICHAEL-V.I.]

Stockton >>> Magic...

he has more steals and assists...

he played the game the right way...

Shock Post

Come on Son... Come On Man..

Trash This/ Magic Left But He was The Greatest - Noreaga

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

I'm listening to your argument in regards to Biggie not being mentioned on a national stage as much as Pac. You are correct, Pac was more famous, but I would have to disagree that Biggie did not become a Legend until he died. I'm not sure if you guys just read through past history or actually lived it. Now back in the early 90's before the advent of mass internet in every household popularity was garnered a couple of ways, One being word of mouth. The hip hop community being much closer knit at the time, The Dj's played a vital role for establishing artist. Provided that "Sean Combs" was in Biggies corner, Every DJ in all areas had wind of Biggie. Puff had the machine behind him. Was Big talented? Of course he was but that "machine" pushed him to the front of the pack out of NY rappers at the time. I was living in NYC and anyone old enough to be in the scene would agree with me... I remember hearing a Big L mixtape and I wish I still had it, but it had Big L flowing on that "One more chance" sample I think it's an sample of El Debarge. It started to catch a little buzz, next thing you know, Biggie had the same sample much more cleaner and more friendly for the radio. All the Dj's got it and L's version was gone.. I say that to say, Big had someone well known in the hip hop community crafting his career it's foolish to think that he was not going to rise to the top with his talent.

As far as Pac goes, let's be clear, Pac was not well known in other circles for his music at the time but for the extra curricular that was going on . Pac gained nationally attention when one of the most popular pop artist at the time "Janet Jackson" refused to be in a film with him "Poetic Justice" unless he had an Aids test. This was not to far from the time that Magic came out that he had the Monster. That publicity gave Pac light. I believe that same year Pac was arrested for shooting two off duty police officers in Atlanta. The news caught wind and all hell broke loose. They started doing background checks on the cat and it was confirmed that his Mother was part of the Black Panthers and so forth and it created in image of Pac that became menacing to "White folk". He actually got off on the charges with the Cops but ended up getting caught with another charge of Rape. All this happened within a year and a half to two year span... So once again I say all that to say Pac was not known in outside circles for his music but for his extracurriculars... That's the only difference between the two homeboy... I can't see you refuting this...

Actually your close to correct but still off on Shit Tupacs national attention outside of Music Circles came well before The Janet Incident or Cop Shootin. I can tell you either did not live it, have a bad memory or just are biased trying to spin shit, In 91 he was attacked while jay Walking by Police officers and had a pending Lawsuit also that same Year. In 92 he had got major attention from the world Media due a kid claiming his 1st album motivated him in killing a cop, he had a incident at a show where a young child was shot then Dan Quayle was making a attack on Pac's music stating "it had no place in our society" Which he actually used as a a sample on his 93 album S4MN During this same time. Again CNN did a report about shakur and his family right around the time his second album came out where they talked about this HipHop star and why he got so much non music attention. The statement about Janet wanting him to do Aids test came well after the movie came out when he was talking in Hindsight about doing the movie. Pac Shared 93 with Snoop because during that year every other song requested was from one of them saying he was not well known Musically as well shows your lack of 1st hand Knowledge and judging by your sign up date and post count that you are most likely someone emergency cosign alias...

In 94 Biggie was just another rapper with the Machine behind him He was a Clive Davis Product and everyone who was ever involved in the industry then to Now Knows Clive still to this day is major in the Music Industry, Sean Was Clives House Negro and was given badboy pretty much because of his relationship with Clive, Yeah Biggie had the radio on Lock But I was in and out of LA when Biggie 1st dropped his presence while hella pushed was not like that of Local artists who were played by request he was in no way considered Legendary over here at that time he was just another radio rapper. Biggie was talented but so were many others he was the latest machine product and he was promoted and payola'd into many hearts, As I have continued to state to the world Biggie was just another Rapper during his Life only mention outside of Music when Talking about Tupac, While Tupac had Transcended and became Legendary in Life not only for his Musical Content but also for Many Public Interactions and Familys Political History. Not recognisng or acknowledging those facts do not change them and anyone who lived during that time and was old enough to pay attention and understand saying different is Lying...

 

[gee757]

biggie wasnt famous until after TUPAC allow;d him 2 sleep on his COUCH lol

Actually your close to correct but still off on Shit Tupacs national attention outside of Music Circles came well before The Janet Incident or Cop Shootin. I can tell you either did not live it, have a bad memory or just are biased trying to spin shit, In 91 he was attacked while jay Walking by Police officers and had a pending Lawsuit also that same Year. In 92 he had got major attention from the world Media due a kid claiming his 1st album motivated him in killing a cop, he had a incident at a show where a young child was shot then Dan Quayle was making a attack on Pac's music stating "it had no place in our society" Which he actually used as a a sample on his 93 album S4MN During this same time. Again CNN did a report about shakur and his family right around the time his second album came out where they talked about this HipHop star and why he got so much non music attention. The statement about Janet wanting him to do Aids test came well after the movie came out when he was talking in Hindsight about doing the movie. Pac Shared 93 with Snoop because during that year every other song requested was from one of them saying he was not well known Musically as well shows your lack of 1st hand Knowledge and judging by your sign up date and post count that you are most likely someone emergency cosign alias...

In 94 Biggie was just another rapper with the Machine behind him He was a Clive Davis Product and everyoe who everyone involved in the industry then to Now Know Clive still to this day is major in the Music Industry, Sean Was Clives House Negro and was given badboy pretty much because of his relationship with Clive, Yeah Biggie had the radio on Lock But I was in and out of LA when Biggie 1st dropped his presence while hella pushed was not like that of Local artists who were played by request he was in no way considered Legendary over here at that time he was just another radio rapper. Biggie was talented but so were many others he was the latest machine product and he was promoted and payola'd into many hearts, As I have continued to state to the world Biggie was just another Rapper during his Life only mention outside of Music when Talking about Tupac, While Tupac had Transcended and became Legendary in Life not only for his Musical Content but also for Many Public Interactions and Familys Political History. Not recognisng or acknowledging those facts do not change them and anyone who lived during that time and was old enough to pay attention and understand saying different is Lying...

jewelz!

 

[a_list]

Falsehoods and mistalks like this is upseting to my immaculate self. Common knowledge Big was on the seen way before him abd Pac was cool but ad usual this will fall on deaf ears of Pac Patriots. But the Biggie Brigade pushes on to cool the tension between the two waring factions to bring peace lol!

yo you cant argue with these cats....you see how delusional they are.....big had a double plat album by the time the at beef popped off....shyt is useless sun

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

yo you cant argue with these cats....you see how delusional they are.....big had a double plat album by the time the at beef popped off....shyt is useless sun

so your argument is sales = Legend??? then vanilla Ice is as big a legend as biggie, I notice no dispute of any facts just hurt feelings from those who cannot cope with the reality of said facts...

 

[gee757]

Falsehoods and mistalks like this is upseting to my immaculate self. Common knowledge Big was on the seen way before him abd Pac was cool but ad usual this will fall on deaf ears of Pac Patriots. But the Biggie Brigade pushes on to cool the tension between the two waring factions to bring peace lol!

wat? itz a FACT biggie didnt blow up until after he got dun fuukin wit pac pac let biggie OPEN his showz...smh

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

Actually your close to correct but still off on Shit Tupacs national attention outside of Music Circles came well before The Janet Incident or Cop Shootin. I can tell you either did not live it, have a bad memory or just are biased trying to spin shit, In 91 he was attacked while jay Walking by Police officers and had a pending Lawsuit also that same Year. In 92 he had got major attention from the world Media due a kid claiming his 1st album motivated him in killing a cop, he had a incident at a show where a young child was shot then Dan Quayle was making a attack on Pac's music stating "it had no place in our society" Which he actually used as a a sample on his 93 album S4MN During this same time. Again CNN did a report about shakur and his family right around the time his second album came out where they talked about this HipHop star and why he got so much non music attention. The statement about Janet wanting him to do Aids test came well after the movie came out when he was talking in Hindsight about doing the movie. Pac Shared 93 with Snoop because during that year every other song requested was from one of them saying he was not well known Musically as well shows your lack of 1st hand Knowledge and judging by your sign up date and post count that you are most likely someone emergency cosign alias...

In 94 Biggie was just another rapper with the Machine behind him He was a Clive Davis Product and everyone who was ever involved in the industry then to Now Knows Clive still to this day is major in the Music Industry, Sean Was Clives House Negro and was given badboy pretty much because of his relationship with Clive, Yeah Biggie had the radio on Lock But I was in and out of LA when Biggie 1st dropped his presence while hella pushed was not like that of Local artists who were played by request he was in no way considered Legendary over here at that time he was just another radio rapper. Biggie was talented but so were many others he was the latest machine product and he was promoted and payola'd into many hearts, As I have continued to state to the world Biggie was just another Rapper during his Life only mention outside of Music when Talking about Tupac, While Tupac had Transcended and became Legendary in Life not only for his Musical Content but also for Many Public Interactions and Familys Political History. Not recognisng or acknowledging those facts do not change them and anyone who lived during that time and was old enough to pay attention and understand saying different is Lying...

Falsehoods and mistalks like this is upseting to my immaculate self. Common knowledge Big was on the seen way before him abd Pac was cool but ad usual this will fall on deaf ears of Pac Patriots. But the Biggie Brigade pushes on to cool the tension between the two waring factions to bring peace lol!

Damn Dickrider instead of crying falsehoods prove me wrong instead of flapping the jaw. But I understand it is easier to your soul just squawking like a chickenhead groupie with no backing then looking and having the facts further cemented to your fragile psyche proving your stance is one based on upon revisonist delusions...

 

[gee757]

They met while Big was on the scene doing his thing at HIS shows Pac being in the game longer ask Big to come along. Big also showed love to Pac by keeping his weed stash on full and showed him the hood spots who to and not fuck with (Jack). Yall act like Pac wrote Big's ryhmes and showed him how to hold a mic Big was on two three major artist cd's before Pac c/s him Heavy D, Supa Cat, & Mary J smh. Im done trying to argue this yall win I lose but Gee them Blue Devils are going to win it all lol!

hold on now ya puttin wordz n my mouf @ da bold cuz i neva said that..itz just 2pac was & is still a bigger star/legend then big will eva b...& ya rite da blu devilz is gonna win i want them 2 2 have a 2peat loll

 

[H-Rap 180]

Actually your close to correct but still off on Shit Tupacs national attention outside of Music Circles came well before The Janet Incident or Cop Shootin. I can tell you either did not live it, have a bad memory or just are biased trying to spin shit, In 91 he was attacked while jay Walking by Police officers and had a pending Lawsuit also that same Year. In 92 he had got major attention from the world Media due a kid claiming his 1st album motivated him in killing a cop, he had a incident at a show where a young child was shot then Dan Quayle was making a attack on Pac's music stating "it had no place in our society" Which he actually used as a a sample on his 93 album S4MN During this same time. Again CNN did a report about shakur and his family right around the time his second album came out where they talked about this HipHop star and why he got so much non music attention. The statement about Janet wanting him to do Aids test came well after the movie came out when he was talking in Hindsight about doing the movie. Pac Shared 93 with Snoop because during that year every other song requested was from one of them saying he was not well known Musically as well shows your lack of 1st hand Knowledge and judging by your sign up date and post count that you are most likely someone emergency cosign alias...

In 94 Biggie was just another rapper with the Machine behind him He was a Clive Davis Product and everyone who was ever involved in the industry then to Now Knows Clive still to this day is major in the Music Industry, Sean Was Clives House Negro and was given badboy pretty much because of his relationship with Clive, Yeah Biggie had the radio on Lock But I was in and out of LA when Biggie 1st dropped his presence while hella pushed was not like that of Local artists who were played by request he was in no way considered Legendary over here at that time he was just another radio rapper. Biggie was talented but so were many others he was the latest machine product and he was promoted and payola'd into many hearts, As I have continued to state to the world Biggie was just another Rapper during his Life only mention outside of Music when Talking about Tupac, While Tupac had Transcended and became Legendary in Life not only for his Musical Content but also for Many Public Interactions and Familys Political History. Not recognisng or acknowledging those facts do not change them and anyone who lived during that time and was old enough to pay attention and understand saying different is Lying...

Damn..Shut Down post right here...made me a believer unless somebody can erase history and refute the truths in the post.

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

@Facade not Blackatall playboy your a lame hating faggot who deal with this like its a still prevalent to 2011. Your a fucking hating as sheep. You still think Pac and Big really give a fuck about this shit now them niggas is laughing at us.

Feelings thats all your posts are I hit you with facts you throw handsfulls of your tears back and dodge the shit that is to painfull for you to accept... Fact Biggie became a Local legend with his death Fact Pac was a International Legend While alive history has it all their but tricks like you brainwashed Biggie necorphiliacs cannot handle the truth so spin on...

 

[gee757]

Damn..Shut Down post right here...made me a believer unless somebody can erase history and refute the truths in the post.

deaddddddddddddddd

 

[5th Letter]

1st off my original statement that you responded to

your response to that was

I reitereated it again very clear wording

Now you have take it to other places after you could not substantiate your claims and are ignoring what I actually said so keep spinning eventually you will get dizzy...

and i said that biggie was considered a legend on his own merit based on his own work. you're saying pac was the reason biggie was talked about due to his beef with pac which is false. can any other pac fn vouch for biggie being talked about after his death because of pac? that is rediculous.

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

and i said that biggie was considered a legend on his own merit based on his own work. you're saying pac was the reason biggie was talked about due to his beef with pac which is false. can any other pac fn vouch for biggie being talked about after his death because of pac? that is rediculous.

LMFAO this shit really Hurts your feelings and you still keep spinning what I said and refuse to acknowledge the truth because you only want to read and respond to parts of statements rather then what was actually said I will say it one more time just because the shit is hella funny to me. Biggie was not talked about outside of Music till after his death and even then it is always in connection to Tupac, he has a legend Born out of his death and interactions with Tupac he is what we call a coattail legend. Tupac was and is a true legend in Life which is what was being discussed he was constantly talked about in and outside of Music In Life, Biggie was not. Now you can go back to your emotional response to the bits and piece of my statements you keep trying to spin...

 

[verbal juke]

Actually your close to correct but still off on Shit Tupacs national attention outside of Music Circles came well before The Janet Incident or Cop Shootin. I can tell you either did not live it, have a bad memory or just are biased trying to spin shit, In 91 he was attacked while jay Walking by Police officers and had a pending Lawsuit also that same Year. In 92 he had got major attention from the world Media due a kid claiming his 1st album motivated him in killing a cop, he had a incident at a show where a young child was shot then Dan Quayle was making a attack on Pac's music stating "it had no place in our society" Which he actually used as a a sample on his 93 album S4MN During this same time. Again CNN did a report about shakur and his family right around the time his second album came out where they talked about this HipHop star and why he got so much non music attention. The statement about Janet wanting him to do Aids test came well after the movie came out when he was talking in Hindsight about doing the movie. Pac Shared 93 with Snoop because during that year every other song requested was from one of them saying he was not well known Musically as well shows your lack of 1st hand Knowledge and judging by your sign up date and post count that you are most likely someone emergency cosign alias...

In 94 Biggie was just another rapper with the Machine behind him He was a Clive Davis Product and everyoe who everyone involved in the industry then to Now Know Clive still to this day is major in the Music Industry, Sean Was Clives House Negro and was given badboy pretty much because of his relationship with Clive, Yeah Biggie had the radio on Lock But I was in and out of LA when Biggie 1st dropped his presence while hella pushed was not like that of Local artists who were played by request he was in no way considered Legendary over here at that time he was just another radio rapper. Biggie was talented but so were many others he was the latest machine product and he was promoted and payola'd into many hearts, As I have continued to state to the world Biggie was just another Rapper during his Life only mention outside of Music when Talking about Tupac, While Tupac had Transcended and became Legendary in Life not only for his Musical Content but also for Many Public Interactions and Familys Political History. Not recognisng or acknowledging those facts do not change them and anyone who lived during that time and was old enough to pay attention and understand saying different is Lying...

After reading your rebuttal it further demonstrates your hearsay and being out of touch with what was going on at the times... Going on the web and Googling exact dates do not impress me or anybody else on the IC for that matter. The timeline I gave is strictly off the dome. Once again, I was old enough to know the times. Now if you telling me that Pac was a huge star in 92 then I know for a fact that you are just researcher...LOL... Pac was doing the humpty dance with Ditigal underground in what 90-91? Furthermore, Pac was not the only rapper getting attention from the media in regards to rap musics influence. Ice-T had "Cop Killer" and before that Public Enemies own "Flava Flav" had "911 is a joke". It was a big misnomer at the time that rap music influenced kids behavior. The movie CB4 demonstrated that. All those songs gained national attention as well. Actually anything that could put Rap in a bad light did. You say Pac was so well known, how come he didn't even come close to reaching top ten when the album was released? Pac's S4MN came out in 93, That's the same year Poetic Justice came out. Also it's the same year that he was accused of shooting 2 officers as well as catching a rape case. So after all that happening in one year, it's safe to say people knew who he was. When all those things happened like I said before, That's when CNN started to really start talking about Pac and his family... You say they interviewed his family when his Album came out, that's just not true...LOL.. They media tried to correlate Pac's lifestyle to the Black Panther party, You making it sound like it was a good piece. It was def happened after all those things was going down. When they mentioned Pac, they made sure they referred to him as the rapper who co-starred next to Janet Jackson. Google doesn't give you that info homeboy... One thing you are correct about, the Janet Jackson Aids info came out later but many believed it was Janet's way of distancing herself from him... As far as Pac sharing 93 with Snoop, not in NYC... Wu Tang was getting mad love in NY. In regards to my sign up date and post count, I post when I fill I need to. The IC is a extra for me.. I'm a Physical Therapist. I spent my time studying instead of spending countless hours googling websites trying to spin a debate...

Now on to BIG. As I stated before, Big was just another rapper in NYC at the time. You have to remember, Peoples favorite rappers of all time was lurking, i.e. NAS, Pun, The whole Wu, Mobb Deep, Big L, not to mention the older heads, Kane, Koog G, Rakim I can go on for days. All these cats was nice but Big had the push. With that push he was shown mad love and lyrically Big was a Beast so he was on his way to becoming a rap legend. But to say he was a legend at the time, he was not but neither was Pac, Nas, Pun or any of them cats for that matter. To compare it's like calling Kevin Durant a legend right now.. He's young and he's nice... Is it safe to say he will project to be a legend based of what he has shown? I would say yes. The same can be said for BIG. Man if cant see that, then you are just debating for the sake of having a debate...