Eminem Lyrically Is Better Than Biggie...

[Fazeem_Blackall]

even though this is a flatout lie, lets go by your logic isn't biggie a rapper that makes music, so what else should he be talked about? with that out the way define "outside of music" because maybe our definitions are mixed up.

revionist historian right here.

delusional comment right here

even during his digital underground days? even when his albums were barely selling? another revionist history post right here. where around the world is pac's family known, you talking like they're the royal family in engalnd.

big's legend was cemented before he died based on his body of work, so stop hating, and those aren't facts those are delusional and twisted opinions.

Alright simple way to prove you are right pull up some News reports or non music interviews made about or by him while he was alive...

If you cannot do that I am right and you are living the revisionist history...

As to Pac and his Family maybe it is because I grew up and paid attention to the struggle, but I Heard of Mutulu and Assata before I ever heard of Pac and yes I remember watching a story on cnn in 93 about Pac and his Family so try again with the delusional stan revison shit because Biggie does not have those type of Legendary roots...

 

[a_list]

lol at this shyt...cats pull shyt out of left field to discredit b.i.g.....

 

[garv]

Truth hurts I know and if you like the way I worded it then you would have take the time to respond based on what I said and not how you felt about it. Biggie was not talked about nationally or internationally outside of music while he was alive unless it was a mention in the list of people Tupac had issue with saying different is a damn lie. Biggies status in Pop culture to this day is only as one of Pacs adversaries, Pac while alive was talked about for years before the beef inside and out ide of music his family is internationally known his legend was cemented while alive, Biggies got a legendary status on pacs coattail after death and those are the facts no matter how you feel none of those emotions will change those facts...

Biggie was one of the biggest artists in Rap from his debut, he was internationally known long before he entered into a full fledged war with Pac, the reason why the beef was so big in the first place was partly due to the fact that they were two of the biggest stars in Rap at the time. Biggie may not have been known much outside of Rap, but to be honest Tupac wasn't the big idol he was today in 95 either, regardless i don't beleive in calling them legends because of their status in 'pop culture' Pac is a legend for his accomplishments in rap and so is Biggie.

 

[H-Rap 180]

I agree with "Brutha Suliman".

Tupac was an international star outside of music.

Movies like "Juice" and "Poetic Justice" made him a Hollywood sensation and helped him procure other roles with the likes of James Belushi, Tim Roth and Micket Rourke.

Tupacs relationship with Madonna also increased his name-recognition.

The media had a love/hate relationship with Tupac, he was in the news and the newspapers every day because of shoot-outs, court-cases, arrests, or Tipper Gore, Calvin Butts, or C. Delores Tucker slandering his name and music.

The Shakur name is known around the world due to the many high-profile trials and incidents surrounding Afeni, Assatta, and Mutulu Shakur.

Tupac was an official mega-star after 1992 when he dropped "Juice" and Strictly for my "N.I.G.G.A.Z" with the Gold selling single "I get around".

Tupac did it all, he was a great brutha.

 

[juelz21]

I agree with "Brutha Suliman".

Tupac was an international star outside of music.

Movies like "Juice" and "Poetic Justice" made him a Hollywood sensation and helped him procure other roles with the likes of James Belushi, Tim Roth and Micket Rourke.

Tupacs relationship with Madonna also increased his name-recognition.

The media had a love/hate relationship with Tupac, he was in the news and the newspapers every day because of shoot-outs, court-cases, arrests, or Tipper Gore, Calvin Butts, or C. Delores Tucker slandering his name and music.

The Shakur name is known around the world due to the many high-profile trials and incidents surrounding Afeni, Assatta, and Mutulu Shakur.

Tupac was an official mega-star after 1992 when he dropped "Juice" and Strictly for my "N.I.G.G.A.Z" with the Gold selling single "I get around".

Tupac did it all, he was a great brutha.

yeah pac did it all was a movie star and he wasn't just a actor he was a good actor at that and he sold millions of records and he was a great lyricist.

 

[H-Rap 180]

but to be honest Tupac wasn't the big idol he was today in 95 either, regardless

That is a misleading statement.

By 95 Tupac had starred in 3 major-motion pictures(Hollywood films)

He was engaged to Quincy Jones daughter, had survived a well publicsized shooting, and made bail at over 1 million dollars.

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Tupac was a superstar by 95, "Me agaisnt the world" was the #1 album and"California Love" was the #1 song in America and also in the top 10 charts on 5 other continents.

It sold 240,000 in a week!

His songs were on the "Bad Boys" soundtrack in 1995 and in the movie...

He owned MTV........

 

[garv]

That is a misleading statement.

By 95 Tupac had starred in 3 major-motion pictures(Hollywood films)

He was engaged to Quincy Jones daughter, had survived a well publicsized shooting, and made bail at over 1 million dollars.

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Tupac was a superstar by 95, "Me agaisnt the world" was the #1 album and"California Love" was the #1 song in America and also in the top 10 charts on 5 other continents.

It sold 240,000 in a week!

His songs were on the "Bad Boys" soundtrack in 1995 and in the movie...

He owned MTV........

Tupac went from this, to having murals in Africa, he went from being a national star to a international icon only second to the likes of Bob Marley and co, theres no doubt that his death heightened his fame, he was selling huge numbers in 95 but so was the likes of Snoop and Big, and his films are urban classics they were never up there with the highest grossing films

 

[H-Rap 180]

Outside of Hiphop I dont think Biggie was a household name.

You do know that Tupac starred in "Poetic Justice" with Janet Jackson in 1993 and it opened at #1 at the box office.

^^^before Biggie had even realesed "Ready to Die"

 

[juelz21]

Outside of Hiphop I dont think Biggie was a household name.

You do know that Tupac starred in "Poetic Justice" with Janet Jackson in 1993 and it opened at #1 at the box office.

^^^before Biggie had even realesed "Ready to Die"

and he had platinum album before biggie

 

[WSGP]

Left the keys in the van, with a gat in each hand

Went up in Eastland and shot a policeman

Fuck a peace plan of citizen bystands

But shit is in my hands, here's your life span

For what your life's worth this money is twice than

Grab a couple grand and live a nice land

See I'm a nice man but money turned me to Satan

I'm thirsty for this green so bad I'm dehydratin'

Hurry up with the cash bitch, I got a ride waitin'

Shot a man twice in the back when he tried escapin'

I want the whole pie, I won't be denied nathan

Maybe I need my head inside straightened

Brain contemplatin', clean out the register

Dip before somebody catches ya

Or gets ya description an' sketches ya

The connection was the prime suspect

But I ain't set to flee the scene of the crime just yet

Cuz I got a daughter to feed

And $200 ain't enough to water the seed

The best thing would be for me to leave Taco Bell an' hit up Chess King

And have the lady at the desk bring

Money from the safe in the back, stepped in wavin' the Mac

Cooperate and we can operate and save an attack

This bitch tried escapin' the jack

Grabbed her by the throat, it's murder she wrote

You barely heard a word as she choked

It wasn't nuttin' for her to be smoked

So I slammed her on her back 'til her vertebrae broke

Just then the pigs bust in yellin' "Freeze!"

But I'm already wanted for sellin' keys

And bunch of other felonies from A to Z like spellin' bees

So before I dropped to the ground and fell on knees

I bust shots, they bust back

Hit me square in the chest, wasn't wearin' a vest

 

[garv]

Outside of Hiphop I dont think Biggie was a household name.

You do know that Tupac starred in "Poetic Justice" with Janet Jackson in 1993 and it opened at #1 at the box office.

^^^before Biggie had even realesed "Ready to Die"

Yeah i agree but he was a big name in rap which i was arguing, Pac was more known outside of Rap for the reasons you had already stated, but there were few bigger rap stars than Biggie even before his death.

 

[WSGP]

Damn its a shame how much hate Em gets. yall out here talkin about oh he's white thats why he sells so much, fuck how much he sells who spits with more passion than this dude. One of the greatest story tellers in the game. listen to brain damage, listen to kim listen to cleaning out my closet listen to our house. Your gonna tell me anything big spit lyrically can fuck with that. Big cant even fuck with Big L or pun on that lyrical shit. Say what you want about Em, the dude can write and thats the botom line

 

[H-Rap 180]

Damn its a shame how much hate Em gets. yall out here talkin about oh he's white thats why he sells so much, fuck how much he sells who spits with more passion than this dude. One of the greatest story tellers in the game. listen to brain damage, listen to kim listen to cleaning out my closet listen to our house. Your gonna tell me anything big spit lyrically can fuck with that. Big cant even fuck with Big L or pun on that lyrical shit. Say what you want about Em, the dude can write and thats the botom line

Please dont confuse "hate" with people saying they simply do not like his music.

I dont hear passion when I listen to Emenim I hear sickness/madness.....Emenim stole his whole style from Biggie.

 

[a-l-p]

If Big spit Em lyrics and vice versa would ya'll still think BIG was the greatest? If Em was spitting Biggie lyrics would ya'll say he was wasn't better than BIG? Basically i think people get caught up in BIG's voice and image.

 

[5th Letter]

Alright simple way to prove you are right pull up some News reports or non music interviews made about or by him while he was alive...

If you cannot do that I am right and you are living the revisionist history...

As to Pac and his Family maybe it is because I grew up and paid attention to the struggle, but I Heard of Mutulu and Assata before I ever heard of Pac and yes I remember watching a story on cnn in 93 about Pac and his Family so try again with the delusional stan revison shit because Biggie does not have those type of Legendary roots...

biggie was a rapper and he made music so what else should he be talked about for doing? i really dont understand how this is relevant to whether biggie was a hip hop legend or not. we're arguing about pac being the reason biggie was a legend, which is a lie, biggie through his own music and impact in the genre is what made him a legend, not some dumb beef with tupac.

 

[Jr523]

biggie was a rapper and he made music so what else should he be talked about for doing? i really dont understand how this is relevant to whether biggie was a hip hop legend or not. we're arguing about pac being the reason biggie was a legend, which is a lie, biggie through his own music and impact in the genre is what made him a legend, not some dumb beef with tupac.

C / S

Niggas always bringing other shit. The nigga made great music and that makes him a legend.

 

[H-Rap 180]

biggie was a rapper and he made music so what else should he be talked about for doing? i really dont understand how this is relevant to whether biggie was a hip hop legend or not. we're arguing about pac being the reason biggie was a legend, which is a lie, biggie through his own music and impact in the genre is what made him a legend, not some dumb beef with tupac.

I dont agree that Pac was the reason that Biggie is a legend.

I checked the RiAA and his singles and album were major in '95 and an entire region was behind him so I disagree with that statement.

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

you know this comparison is Like saying Shit is better then Puke when it comes to how much it stinks...

Basically it is like this some legends are so while living and others do not become so untill death, Pac while Living was a legend the world press tracked his every move he was constantly talked about outside of music, he came from a still legendary family etc... Biggies became a legend after death in large part due to being connected to Pacs Living Legend he never was talked about outside of music till he died and even then it was all tied to Tupacs legend and their Deaths. Again ! legend while Living the other became Legend in death...

biggie was never talked about til after his death? i mean really? biggie wasn't popping in the mid 90's? and yes you're right there are some legends that became legendary after their death (william shakespeare) but that doesn't apply to biggie at all. even before he died he was already considered one of the best of all time and this was while hip hop was less than 20 years old.

I feel you family...

Reading is Fundamental Biggie was not talked about outside of Music till after he died unless it was mentioning him in a list of people Pac was beefing with he was not a legend till he died Pac was in life anyone who was paying attention nationlly and even internationally in the 90's knows this learn to deal...

But he was well on his way to being a legend in rap right?

And both Pac and Biggies legend heightened when they died, but how do you gouge legendary status, through popularity, because before he died Big was the most popular artist in rap, Biggie is vastly overrated but he is still a legend in my eyes.

I respectfully Disagree with your position and do not see taht as so during his life but hold true to my initial assement of it only occuring for biggie with death as their were those during his era in NYC and other areas that did each of the things and better. Hasd Biggie Not died Nas would have took the NYC crown but it is impossible to fight a ghost and Puffy knew that with his marketing and connection the Crown was Given without dispute becuase of that Death. Again Biggies legend comes from pacs Coattail and his untimely death...

reading is fundamental biggie was talked about in other ways besides the beef with pac, and i love how you worded it, like both big and pac weren't joined at the hip during the east/west beef. and let me add that biggie did not need to piggyback off pac like you're insinuating to be considered a legend, he did through his own merits. so lets kill that noise.

Truth hurts I know and if you like the way I worded it then you would have take the time to respond based on what I said and not how you felt about it. Biggie was not talked about nationally or internationally outside of music while he was alive unless it was a mention in the list of people Tupac had issue with saying different is a damn lie. Biggies status in Pop culture to this day is only as one of Pacs adversaries, Pac while alive was talked about for years before the beef inside and out ide of music his family is internationally known his legend was cemented while alive, Biggies got a legendary status on pacs coattail after death and those are the facts no matter how you feel none of those emotions will change those facts...

even though this is a flatout lie, lets go by your logic isn't biggie a rapper that makes music, so what else should he be talked about? with that out the way define "outside of music" because maybe our definitions are mixed up.

revionist historian right here.

delusional comment right here

even during his digital underground days? even when his albums were barely selling? another revionist history post right here. where around the world is pac's family known, you talking like they're the royal family in engalnd.

big's legend was cemented before he died based on his body of work, so stop hating, and those aren't facts those are delusional and twisted opinions.

Alright simple way to prove you are right pull up some News reports or non music interviews made about or by him while he was alive...

If you cannot do that I am right and you are living the revisionist history...

As to Pac and his Family maybe it is because I grew up and paid attention to the struggle, but I Heard of Mutulu and Assata before I ever heard of Pac and yes I remember watching a story on cnn in 93 about Pac and his Family so try again with the delusional stan revison shit because Biggie does not have those type of Legendary roots...

I agree with "Brutha Suliman".

Tupac was an international star outside of music.

Movies like "Juice" and "Poetic Justice" made him a Hollywood sensation and helped him procure other roles with the likes of James Belushi, Tim Roth and Micket Rourke.

Tupacs relationship with Madonna also increased his name-recognition.

The media had a love/hate relationship with Tupac, he was in the news and the newspapers every day because of shoot-outs, court-cases, arrests, or Tipper Gore, Calvin Butts, or C. Delores Tucker slandering his name and music.

The Shakur name is known around the world due to the many high-profile trials and incidents surrounding Afeni, Assatta, and Mutulu Shakur.

Tupac was an official mega-star after 1992 when he dropped "Juice" and Strictly for my "N.I.G.G.A.Z" with the Gold selling single "I get around".

Tupac did it all, he was a great brutha.

biggie was a rapper and he made music so what else should he be talked about for doing? i really dont understand how this is relevant to whether biggie was a hip hop legend or not. we're arguing about pac being the reason biggie was a legend, which is a lie, biggie through his own music and impact in the genre is what made him a legend, not some dumb beef with tupac.

Nice side stepping you tried to make a point but have nothing factual to prove it with now your dodging and talking around your argument trying to go a new direction. Man Up own you fucked up in the argument and keep it moving you just look like a jack ass with this spin shit. My initial statement holds true unless you have some type of proof he was talked about outside of music before his death as brother Shakur was. His status as a legend was made through Death and in life he was a stray line by a reporter talking about Tupac outside of music learn to deal...

 

[tompetrez3]

why niggas be acting like biggie is some kind of mythical mc that cant be touched lyrically. the nigga was nothing special in 94. like seriously he wasnt rapping about nothing special. line for line ghost and rae shitted on him in that era. redman too. cl smooth no doubt. buckshot. jeru of course. method. sadat x. umm who else. treach, even his label mate craig mack was more lyrical than biggie. fake ass stories about shooting dread in the head and shooting preggo women dont make your shit groundbreaking. im tired of these 90s crackbabies who dont know what the fuck they talking about stickin up for biggie like he was 2nd coming of rakim with them average ass materialistic flows that ruined hip hop. the nigga didnt spit no rhyme that made me say damn. he didnt make me rewind no shit. his albums wasnt even rockin like that. at the tails end of 94 isleys brothers samples been wrecked and smahed by other artists rtd is so fucking boring. no real concept to the album just a nigga basically freestyling. like easy mo bee said this nigga wasnt no song writer. rtd would of been nothing but a whole album of flows and no hooks if it wasnt for craig mack teaching that nigga how to write a 16 and a hook. no biggie cant fuck with eminem at all.

 

[H-Rap 180]

Bump>>>>>>>