East Coast Tell Us Why U Mad Son!Interview with Method Man,Raekwon,and Ghostface

[J. Rob]

Now that's an explination I can respect. Well put. Better than the, "Nobody wants to use a dictionary to listen to music" excuse...which I can somewhat agree with that too. But most music that they claim you need a dictionary for, you actually don't. Just a little bit of common sense...and even if u do need to go grab a dictionary or hit up Google...what the fuck is wrong with learning???

and that's where the "southern niggas are slow" stereotype comes from. People who call rappers like Nas, Common, and Talib "dictionary rappers". If you really need a dictionary to understand those dudes, I'm sorry bruh....you're not very bright

 

[a_list]

yo dude sucks they called him out and thats its ...yall cats gotta come up with something other than he hating on the south i know thats the first thing that comes to mind just like wacka flacka spits the first thing that comes to hi mind thats where i see the resemblence he's wack and yall cant come up with nothing other than they hating...lol this wack flacka threw shots and people are answering nothing wrong with that remember rick ross dissed 50 because he thought that 50 looked at him a certain way or something like that...now sun is entitled to his opinion but he should expect whats happening i remember during the 90's when prime time step up to the plate during a baseball game and drew a dollar sign in the dirt and them the veteran carlton fisk bought it to him because he felt that it was disrespectful so this punk is getting checked....besides that we all know a ton of lyrical rappers who are paid off of this shyt

 

[dookeyface]

Here's my view of the South. For me, it traces back to Master P. Here was a dude who repped the South, had no lyrical skills. All he had was the hustle mentality, some paper & a dream to get legit $$. He puts out his work, and becomes regional, and then national. What this did was open the floodgates for anybody who wanted to get legit paper. You can point to him and say, "I don't need lyrics to be a rapper and get piles of paper". "I could just spit anything, as long as the hook is catchy, and the beat is halfway decent, I got a hit". The problem is that people didn't let Master P have this lane. Most Southern rappers (and a few East Coast cats as well) jumped on P's wagon, and in turn lowered the standard of what it takes to be a rapper. If you don't need lyrics to be a rapper nowadays, what does it take? This is why everybody is/wants to be a rapper. It don't take much. It's hard to create a real lyrical piece of work that everybody likes, gets fans attention, and can sell records, all at the same time. This is why some of the greatest lyricists (Nas, Rakim, G. Rap) don't sell like true hip hop fans would like. Although they can run circles around any "new" southern rapper lyrically, the bar has been lowered, and these type of rappers are regarded as the best to ever do it, but at the same time, too deep for fans. Or in some cases, they're garbage, has-beens, or "ol-heads", because their songs aren't spun all day long on your local "Urban Contemporary" radio station.

Also the generational gap. Today's youth is a cookie cutter generation. Give it to me now, I don't wanna have to think about it, and I'm done with it within the next minute. Like disposable douches. Use it, throw it away. I think of it as Vinyl (Rakim) vs MP3 (Gucci Mane). SP1200/MPC60/S950 (G. Rap) vs Fruity Loops (Soulja Boy). Conventional Ovens (Nas) vs Microwaves (Waka). The newer technology gets the job done faster with imperfections, while the older ones are more rich with tradition. The older ways of doing things will always be around, while the newer technology is obsolete within a year or two.

 

[dookeyface]

I agree with you...nobody wants an album FULL of club songs just like nobody wants an album FULL of nothing but drug talk...that's just stupid to think anybody would want that...but what I think alot of east coast heads don't realize is that music/times do change and I think NY was so used to controlling the climate of what was popular in rap that they didn't know HOW to handle it when the spotlight wasn't on them...they reacted the same way in the early 90's when the West took over the game...some of what the east says is constructive criticism but some is just outright hatred...people saying shit like "The south killed hip-hop" or "Insert southern artist here is killing hip-hop"....also even tho NY doesn't support wack rappers on a whole, they also try and pretend they don't exist...like NOTHING wack ever comes out of NY...every city/region has great rappers and wack rappers...the problem ppl have with NY when it comes to criticizing is that NY is rarely ever able to acknowledge their own short comings when it comes to what they bring to the rap game

I think that's because we kill most our wack shit from the very start (ahem..Webstar). Need I say more

 

[blackrain]

I think that's because we kill most our wack shit from the very start (ahem..Webstar). Need I say more

nigga Webstar had that "Dancin On Me" shit last summer and performed at Summer Jam (NY's biggest rap concert)...wack shit gets supported sometimes in NY too just not on the same level as the south...a one hit wonder in NY is like a 1 month hit song...in the south a one hit wonder song can get played for like a year

 

[Ibex]

They're not crying and they have. The problem is better music does not equal the wack shit that has been coming from all areas lately.

If it was better music then it would get the play it deserves....Kanye and Lupe get just as many spins as Gucci, people are going to like what sounds good to them. You sound like a typical "Yo Son" nigga making excuses

 

[a_list]

nigga Webstar had that "Dancin On Me" shit last summer and performed at Summer Jam (NY's biggest rap concert)...wack shit gets supported sometimes in NY too just not on the same level as the south...a one hit wonder in NY is like a 1 month hit song...in the south a one hit wonder song can get played for like a year

lol dog aint nobody being critical at summer jam webstar got play on hot 97 but if webstar performed at that raekwon show hw wouldve got booed too...at the same time if the juiceman went to a jim jones show he wouldve rocked it different croud different circumstances ....cats bring up chicken noodle soup but that was a 15 year old girl im glad she was rapping about dancing if ny got behind mims like these cats get behind wack rappers that dude wouldve been thru the roof

 

[dookeyface]

nigga Webstar had that "Dancin On Me" shit last summer and performed at Summer Jam (NY's biggest rap concert)...wack shit gets supported sometimes in NY too just not on the same level as the south...a one hit wonder in NY is like a 1 month hit song...in the south a one hit wonder song can get played for like a year

Nigga What?!? Nigga Who?!? I ain't never heard this shit you talking about. Lemme YouTube it. Nevermind, that shit is Webstar + Song = Shit I never wanted to hear in the 1st place. You kinda contradict yourself with the 2nd statement. How do we support wack shit, but it's only like a month? When I said we "shut shit down" I didn't mean like before the MP3 file is e-mailed to the radio station. But ok, he was at Summer Jam, and where is he now?

 

[meeks973]

I dont think its even a lyrical or hip hop thing. I think its really a buzz things. Gthese southern cats gettin buzz and niggas quick to get mad. Im just saying hip hop is music. Music is expressing yourself through melody and words telling a story. Just because you cant relate to the story southern rappers talking bout dont make them wack. Or same as ny rappers.. They all talk bout the same shit just word it different.

 

[Kushington]

South coast east coast beef

Wu tang was speakin the truth but it still comes off as cryin

If them niggas was still makin bangers they would still be in the forefront, other than rae them niggas aint got it like that anymore , its a different climate of hip hop now, its a new generation, and sometimes niggas with no lyrics can get on, cause of catchy hooks and beats....thats just the way it is

Niggas like gucci and wakka flocka and oj are JUST LIKE MASTER P...all them niggas grew up on p and cash money so thats who they emulate...not everybody in the south is as artistic as goodie mob or outkast, but you got people like ti, luda,ross, b.o.b., lil brother, jay elec, so there is all types of music in the south, it seems like new yorkers pick the wackest niggas to single out, when those wack niggas is not tryin to be in a lyrical lane to begin with

 

[blackrain]

Nigga What?!? Nigga Who?!? I ain't never heard this shit you talking about. Lemme YouTube it. Nevermind, that shit is Webstar + Song = Shit I never wanted to hear in the 1st place. You kinda contradict yourself with the 2nd statement. How do we support wack shit, but it's only like a month? When I said we "shut shit down" I didn't mean like before the MP3 file is e-mailed to the radio station. But ok, he was at Summer Jam, and where is he now?

well part of that "support" i was talking about is also due to the east being so much smaller than the west...it's a shorter time period in the east cuz it's smaller so ppl gonna get tired of it quicker...in the south it can be a hit in GA for a month, then hit FLA, then hit LA, then hit TX then hit other places in the south...alot of southern artists extended success is built on this one factor...the fact that the south is such a huge region they can stretch out a bullshit hit single for alot longer before everybody realizes "this shit ain't that good"...

 

[blackrain]

lol dog aint nobody being critical at summer jam webstar got play on hot 97 but if webstar performed at that raekwon show hw wouldve got booed too...at the same time if the juiceman went to a jim jones show he wouldve rocked it different croud different circumstances ....cats bring up chicken noodle soup but that was a 15 year old girl im glad she was rapping about dancing if ny got behind mims like these cats get behind wack rappers that dude wouldve been thru the roof

the bolded is the main point of this entire thread...different music for different audiences...I love Talib Kweli but honestly I saw him in concert and while it was a good show it was only good cuz it was in a smaller venue...his music isn't made to be "performed" really...artist like Soulja Boy etc. make songs to be performed...songs that if you play in a room full of people will get them moving...Talib makes music, for the most part, that you can sit back and take in...nothing wrong with either but it 2 styles of music that ppl always try to compare that never will be equal...

 

[dookeyface]

I dont think its even a lyrical or hip hop thing. I think its really a buzz things. Gthese southern cats gettin buzz and niggas quick to get mad. Im just saying hip hop is music. Music is expressing yourself through melody and words telling a story. Just because you cant relate to the story southern rappers talking bout dont make them wack. Or same as ny rappers.. They all talk bout the same shit just word it different.

Big misconception. I agree that slang for example, is universal. No matter where you from, if you kick your slang, I can understand it, and vice-versa. However, you might be delusional if you think that in terms of creative wordplay, Ace Hood/Waka Flaka or Flocka/Gucci Mane is "talking about the same shit" as...um... Black Thought/Cassidy/Nas.

 

[[Trillmatic]]

when did they hate on wacka flocka??? all i heard is he respect him..then he spoke the real about hoppin on songs with real niggas. thats hatin now?

 

[meeks973]

big misconception. I agree that slang for example, is universal. No matter where you from, if you kick your slang, i can understand it, and vice-versa. However, you might be delusional if you think that in terms of creative wordplay, ace hood/waka flaka or flocka/gucci mane is "talking about the same shit" as...um... Black thought/cassidy/nas.

you have a point with bt and nas. But cassidy? Cassidy speak bout the same shit as flocka gucci and them, he just has more metaphors

 

[tompetrez3]

the south got this locked for another 10 years. try again in 2020 noo yawkas. i can see why PA niggas dont want to affliate themselves with yall. smh. bitter ass old haters with NO HUSTLE. old ass niggas still signing record contracts and making demo tape whining about lyricism. have fun keeping it real while counting pennies in that 2000 a month studio apt.

 

[5th Letter]

Like I said yesterday in another thread who would have thought NY would be where it is now this time ten years ago? Hip Hop is slowly going in another direction (Drake, Kid Cudi, J Cole, Wale', Charles Hamilton) and eventually these Wakka Flocka types wont be around anymore.

 

[tri3w]

its crazy cause niggas up north fucks wit flocka and gucci. but these old heads coming in and hating. yes they are nice lyrically. well some are cause others i still think suck. but at the end of the day its music. not lyrics. music. hell country dont talki bout shit but chicken fried cold beer on a friday night. whats the difference b/w country and rap? nothing other than the melody. the telling stories. just in a different way

Who told u that???

 

[5th Letter]

Who told u that???

Some do fuck with Gucci.

 

[dookeyface]

the bolded is the main point of this entire thread...different music for different audiences...I love Talib Kweli but honestly I saw him in concert and while it was a good show it was only good cuz it was in a smaller venue...his music isn't made to be "performed" really...artist like Soulja Boy etc. make songs to be performed...songs that if you play in a room full of people will get them moving...Talib makes music, for the most part, that you can sit back and take in...nothing wrong with either but it 2 styles of music that ppl always try to compare that never will be equal...

Agree & disagree. Yes, I too sawTalib perform once at Soundbombing years ago. Small venue. Also had Shabaam Saddiq, Monch, Mos Def, R.A. The Rugged Man, Hi-Tek, the whole Rawkus crew. However there were tons of people who didn't get in (because of the small venue) who were still going in after the show was over. While he/they may not sell out "The Coliseum" I think that if the fans that appreciate them were given the opportunity to see 'em they'd enjoy it. You mentioned Summer Jam, and I went to the '99 Summer Jam @ The Meadowlands. Peep the killer line-up: (I believe this was the order of performances) Missy/Busta/LL/50 Cent/Q-Tip, Cash Money, P-Diddy, Nas, Ruff Ryders (The Lox, Eve, and DMX to close their set), and Jay-Z & Roc-a-fella closing the show. Now with the exception of Nas, RR, & Jay-Z, people (at least in my section) were more interested in blazin' Ls, than the show. I came in, and Missy/Busta was already on stage and the arena wasn't even halfway full. Cash Money only drew interest off Bling Bling, Back That Thing up, and Ha (w/Jigga making an cameo). And Diddy only got crowd responses I think off of Benjamins. The show didn't really start 'til Nas did his thing (Hate Me Now was HUGE @ that time).