Dr. Umar Johnson At The Breakfast Club

[Olorun22]

umar is right... some people won't like umar because he's not following in the tradition of people like DUBOISE, MLK, JESSE JACKSON ETC ETC ETC he is following closer to the tradition of marcus garvey, Malcolm x , black panthers etc etc etc

if you are trying to be one of these "in the system" niggas what umar is saying won't really appeal to you

Dr. Umar Johnson isn't a Christian and you would never work with a non-Christian

 

[Vellum]

It was solid, but not super impressive. You could tell envy and char had realized that something seems to be missing with these brothas coming on the show preaching, but reality doesnt seem to fully lineup with what theyre saying.

There is always something to learn from umar, tariq nasheed, and boyce watkins. Sometimes they miss points, and exaggerate a lot more than they need to. Boyce less.

I think michael eric dyson articulates the reality of black issues in america from both sides much better than the previous 3.

I feel like dr umar out of all of them seems to hype up the paranoia of white racist america more than what reality truly reflects that in this country in this day and age. I think focusing to much on building black paranoia of white racist america is not a good thing. Much better shit to focus on that we can do for ourselves to elevate ourselves. I could name 10 things off top with ease, that these brothas never bring up. Boyce does sometimes. Like getting into different predominately white male fields of work.

This is because you don't want to empower black people, you(AND Boyce Watkins, who I think is a pseudo-intellectual) want to assimilate into white culture

You have nothing to add to this discussion. Dr. Umar Johnson lays out the facts and that scares you so just fall back and watch /shrug

Please name those 10 things "off the top with ease" that AREN'T affected by white supremacy

Yeah sure. I'll list them. I assume youre gonna say that racism prevents all this, and we i guess should just be victims forever, but sure, i'll play your game.

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We came from chuck berry, little richard, sammy davis, jimi hendrix, marvin gaye, the temptations, dianna ross, and all the HOUSE music legends that followed the disco era. To well what we have now, starting with NWA.

Music influences young people all over the world daily, and we have to make sure that our youth are hearing a better message than what we're selling them now. Its your right to express yourself artistically how you want, but if you think these little young niggas in chicago, oakland, bmore, nyc, flint, miami aint turning up to your music in a negative way, and being influenced to do things based on this music. Then well youre delusional .

Fluff just like your first post

Dr Umar spoke on literally all of this, and he speaks on all of this on a daily basis.

Your entire post was redundant

Like I said before, you're objecting because you want to assimilate and the realness of Umar Johnson scares you

And yes, pretty much everything you stated is affected by white supremacy

You also played the black on black crime card smh.

You should just fall back like I said before. You're out of your element

Its easy to just disagree, and have nothing to say besides hiding behind umar. Youre sitting here fronting like i hate umar johnson. lol. Did you even read my initial post. While i didnt think the entire interview was fire. I said there is ALWAYS something to learn from umar. If there wasnt, i wouldnt have watched all 4 hidden colors. I wouldnt have watched all his breakfast club interviews, and spent entire weekends watching other random interviews, and lectures of his on youtube. Literal weekends of watching boyce, umar, etc..

But good job trying to paint me as the not good enough black because i have a difference of opinion, while you offer nothing but an opinion wrapped in Umars nuts, rather than actually have anything of any substance to say back yourself.

This is hilarious, you came in here passive-aggressively insulting Umar Johnson and now you're trying to play the victim

Please just stick to lurking

I didnt passive aggressively insult him. I critiqued his interview, and his rhetoric that ive heard through actually listening to him for years.

Why would i play victim. I gain nothing from that on an anonymous internet forum. I was merely correcting peoples inaccurate assessment of who i am, and how i feel about Umar.

I didnt know umar johnson was an infallible demi god on this forum. Noted.

Sigh. I remember when this place use to be dope back in 2004. lol

 

[zzombie]

umar is right... some people won't like umar because he's not following in the tradition of people like DUBOISE, MLK, JESSE JACKSON ETC ETC ETC he is following closer to the tradition of marcus garvey, Malcolm x , black panthers etc etc etc

if you are trying to be one of these "in the system" niggas what umar is saying won't really appeal to you

Dr. Umar Johnson isn't a Christian and you would never work with a non-Christian

THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID STOP FUCKING LYING!!!!! I SAID I WON'T WORK WITH ATHEIST UMAR IS NOT AN ATHEIST.

There are certain groups of people my conscience won't allow me to fuck with they include: Hebrew Israelites, atheist and any nigga calling himself a moor.

 

[Olorun22]

umar is right... some people won't like umar because he's not following in the tradition of people like DUBOISE, MLK, JESSE JACKSON ETC ETC ETC he is following closer to the tradition of marcus garvey, Malcolm x , black panthers etc etc etc

if you are trying to be one of these "in the system" niggas what umar is saying won't really appeal to you

Dr. Umar Johnson isn't a Christian and you would never work with a non-Christian

THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID STOP FUCKING LYING!!!!! I SAID I WON'T WORK WITH ATHEIST UMAR IS NOT AN ATHEIST.

There are certain groups of people my conscience won't allow me to fuck with they include: Hebrew Israelites, atheist and any nigga calling himself a moor.

I think Umar is a Muslim and what you say about Muslims? ??

 

[zzombie]

umar is right... some people won't like umar because he's not following in the tradition of people like DUBOISE, MLK, JESSE JACKSON ETC ETC ETC he is following closer to the tradition of marcus garvey, Malcolm x , black panthers etc etc etc

if you are trying to be one of these "in the system" niggas what umar is saying won't really appeal to you

Dr. Umar Johnson isn't a Christian and you would never work with a non-Christian

THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID STOP FUCKING LYING!!!!! I SAID I WON'T WORK WITH ATHEIST UMAR IS NOT AN ATHEIST.

There are certain groups of people my conscience won't allow me to fuck with they include: Hebrew Israelites, atheist and any nigga calling himself a moor.

I think Umar is a Muslim and what you say about Muslims? ??

If you would read and not selectively read what I said in that thread you would know that I said that despite how much I despise islam I would work with a black muslims

 

[Koltrain]

he really went in on the President there.

It was truth tho.

he really went in on the President there.

He did. But it was honest, respectful and only in the context of his politics.

Let's not get caught up in Umar's opinion of Obama's politics. The crux of the Umar's content was White Supremacy and it's systematic destruction of Blacks in America.

I get ya'll african americans frustration with Barry O but ( i believe its more complex than people labelling him a coon etc) you gatta pick ?

is he all powerful,willingfully complicit and not good.

or

is he a powerless puppet who might be sincere but cant do nothing.

then we can judge him on either merit.

I don't think he's a coon. I think he's sincere, but is a puppet.... Dr. Umar explained it best - What measurable actions did Obama fight for black people? Did he fight for all the violence in Chicago? Did he fight for Police reform? NO, he fought for the lgbt community and regained economic interests in Africa.. like the Arab spring.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

It was solid, but not super impressive. You could tell envy and char had realized that something seems to be missing with these brothas coming on the show preaching, but reality doesnt seem to fully lineup with what theyre saying.

There is always something to learn from umar, tariq nasheed, and boyce watkins. Sometimes they miss points, and exaggerate a lot more than they need to. Boyce less.

I think michael eric dyson articulates the reality of black issues in america from both sides much better than the previous 3.

I feel like dr umar out of all of them seems to hype up the paranoia of white racist america more than what reality truly reflects that in this country in this day and age. I think focusing to much on building black paranoia of white racist america is not a good thing. Much better shit to focus on that we can do for ourselves to elevate ourselves. I could name 10 things off top with ease, that these brothas never bring up. Boyce does sometimes. Like getting into different predominately white male fields of work.

This is because you don't want to empower black people, you(AND Boyce Watkins, who I think is a pseudo-intellectual) want to assimilate into white culture

You have nothing to add to this discussion. Dr. Umar Johnson lays out the facts and that scares you so just fall back and watch /shrug

Please name those 10 things "off the top with ease" that AREN'T affected by white supremacy

Yeah sure. I'll list them. I assume youre gonna say that racism prevents all this, and we i guess should just be victims forever, but sure, i'll play your game.

1) More "OG's" need to be mentoring more young black man to get a college education, graduate high school with good grades, and get into traditionally non black careers. If you dont understand how a system works, you cannot manipulate, or change it for the benefit of your people.

2) Encourage more conservative sexual activity among young black men and women. We are having too many children out of wed lock, without the financial ability to properly take care of our children, and it is a part of many problems we face in america. It is too easy to buy condoms, get on birth control, or even buy a fucking plan b pill.

3) We can march and protest to change police interactions within the community, but its best if we ourselves become the people policing, and policing with the best of intentions. Not policing to fall victim to the bias the predominately affects young black men in america.

4) More black multimillionaires need to be sending better, and clearer message to our youth. Right now, you can tune into one of hundreds of black entertainers opinions on the social issues we face in this country, and you might as well be talking to a trash can. These black idols are looked up to by young brothas and sistas in america, and you have to be diligent in how you address them, if you are actually concerned about change in the community.

5) Black on Black crime has to be addressed, and it has to be addressed by a movement as powerful and loud as BLM. I recognize that black people getting killed by officers is not the same in some ways, but when your movement (BLM) constantly crosses the lines of blending these two, confusing the majority of the populace at hand, you end up working backwards.

If you are driving on a legit license, not speeding, with legit insurance and registration, complying with officers, and being transparent. You are not likely to just get randomly shot in the head. Has it happened. Yeah, and people have also driven off of cliffs. We deal with those situations as they come. I say that to say this.

I can do everything right in life. Walk down Chief Keefs O block, and get robbed or murdered just cause a niggas ribs is touchin, or ridiculous mistaken identity by someone high as fuck off their 5th blunt for the day.

6) Focus on racism when there is evidence of racism. If you just assume racism all the time, you become the boy who cried wolf, and people will pay less attention to you. Our default as a country cannot be to ignore logic, laws, and rational for our feelings.

The very so called enemy (white people) that some black people speak of, are the same people using this tactic. THEYRE IRRATIONALLY FEARFUL OF US BASED ON THEIR EMOTIONS. NOT LOGIC. You cannot use the tactics of your "enemy" to somehow magically find yourself getting ahead in that society.

7) Start branching out black owned businesses from just urban attire. You know why there arent a bunch of asian urban attire stores, even though they love black urban american culture, BECAUSE THERE IS NO FUCKING MONEY IN IT. You see what styles p did. He gave back to the people, and got a great business going with juicing. He said, i see white people on this juice shit, and its good for my people, so lemme get one poppin on the block.

We need to own more fast food franchises that stuff fat americans filled with what they love. We need to open more laundromats, liquor stores, grocery stores, etc.. You need to look at the fundamental needs of your average american, and seek to open businesses related to that. No one needs jordans. FUCK JORDANS.

8) In relation to the above, if you cannot get the business loan, then we need to be pooling together with each other to get to a level where we can, or just do it ourselves without a bank loan. Its not a myth that foreigners seem to have more rights and access to financial aid of the business type than we do, but its not like black people still dont get business loans.

We just work with what we have, and over time it will change. Over time if you dont just give up, and put your hands out waiting for some white man to come save you like white jesus, people will start looking at black people, and black culture as the money culture. Not the culture to make money off of, but the culture that MAKES THE MONEY.

9) Our musical interest have to shift. We can tell ghetto stories, but we can no longer continue to sell sex, drugs, money, violence, and debauchery to the kids, and to the world.

We came from chuck berry, little richard, sammy davis, jimi hendrix, marvin gaye, the temptations, dianna ross, and all the HOUSE music legends that followed the disco era. To well what we have now, starting with NWA.

Music influences young people all over the world daily, and we have to make sure that our youth are hearing a better message than what we're selling them now. Its your right to express yourself artistically how you want, but if you think these little young niggas in chicago, oakland, bmore, nyc, flint, miami aint turning up to your music in a negative way, and being influenced to do things based on this music. Then well youre delusional .

So which of these points are you PERSONALLY invested in and ACTING on? Or is this another case of brainstorming?

 

[Ajackson17]

umar is right... some people won't like umar because he's not following in the tradition of people like DUBOISE, MLK, JESSE JACKSON ETC ETC ETC he is following closer to the tradition of marcus garvey, Malcolm x , black panthers etc etc etc

if you are trying to be one of these "in the system" niggas what umar is saying won't really appeal to you

Dr. Umar Johnson isn't a Christian and you would never work with a non-Christian

THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID STOP FUCKING LYING!!!!! I SAID I WON'T WORK WITH ATHEIST UMAR IS NOT AN ATHEIST.

There are certain groups of people my conscience won't allow me to fuck with they include: Hebrew Israelites, atheist and any nigga calling himself a moor.

You won't work with me?

 

[Ajackson17]

I thought I posted in here, but anyway, excellent interview and tangible goals. I can definitely rock with this.

 

[Olorun22]

umar is right... some people won't like umar because he's not following in the tradition of people like DUBOISE, MLK, JESSE JACKSON ETC ETC ETC he is following closer to the tradition of marcus garvey, Malcolm x , black panthers etc etc etc

if you are trying to be one of these "in the system" niggas what umar is saying won't really appeal to you

Dr. Umar Johnson isn't a Christian and you would never work with a non-Christian

THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID STOP FUCKING LYING!!!!! I SAID I WON'T WORK WITH ATHEIST UMAR IS NOT AN ATHEIST.

There are certain groups of people my conscience won't allow me to fuck with they include: Hebrew Israelites, atheist and any nigga calling himself a moor.

I think Umar is a Muslim and what you say about Muslims? ??

If you would read and not selectively read what I said in that thread you would know that I said that despite how much I despise islam I would work with a black muslims

Some of the shit you say doesn't make any sense.

 

[zzombie]

umar is right... some people won't like umar because he's not following in the tradition of people like DUBOISE, MLK, JESSE JACKSON ETC ETC ETC he is following closer to the tradition of marcus garvey, Malcolm x , black panthers etc etc etc

if you are trying to be one of these "in the system" niggas what umar is saying won't really appeal to you

Dr. Umar Johnson isn't a Christian and you would never work with a non-Christian

THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID STOP FUCKING LYING!!!!! I SAID I WON'T WORK WITH ATHEIST UMAR IS NOT AN ATHEIST.

There are certain groups of people my conscience won't allow me to fuck with they include: Hebrew Israelites, atheist and any nigga calling himself a moor.

I think Umar is a Muslim and what you say about Muslims? ??

If you would read and not selectively read what I said in that thread you would know that I said that despite how much I despise islam I would work with a black muslims

Some of the shit you say doesn't make any sense.

Like what??? not being able to do business with atheist??? I don't fuck with atheist because I cannot trust them because if you have no concept of deity then that means I cannot know by what metric you judge what is right or wrong... atheist can have morals but they have personal subjective morals that they invent/decide for themselves therefore it would be risky dealing with them

 

[blackgod813]

Who cares what fictious character some one prays to when we building

 

[zzombie]

umar is right... some people won't like umar because he's not following in the tradition of people like DUBOISE, MLK, JESSE JACKSON ETC ETC ETC he is following closer to the tradition of marcus garvey, Malcolm x , black panthers etc etc etc

if you are trying to be one of these "in the system" niggas what umar is saying won't really appeal to you

Dr. Umar Johnson isn't a Christian and you would never work with a non-Christian

THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID STOP FUCKING LYING!!!!! I SAID I WON'T WORK WITH ATHEIST UMAR IS NOT AN ATHEIST.

There are certain groups of people my conscience won't allow me to fuck with they include: Hebrew Israelites, atheist and any nigga calling himself a moor.

You won't work with me?

You seem like a nice guy and we agree on much but I don't know you personally and as an overall policy I don't trust atheist when it come to certain things.

 

[zzombie]

Who cares what fictious character some one prays to when we building

If you think my god is fake then you can never understand why I believe what I do and therefore cannot understand why I do what I do and we can therefore never really be on the same page

 

[Ajackson17]

umar is right... some people won't like umar because he's not following in the tradition of people like DUBOISE, MLK, JESSE JACKSON ETC ETC ETC he is following closer to the tradition of marcus garvey, Malcolm x , black panthers etc etc etc

if you are trying to be one of these "in the system" niggas what umar is saying won't really appeal to you

Dr. Umar Johnson isn't a Christian and you would never work with a non-Christian

THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID STOP FUCKING LYING!!!!! I SAID I WON'T WORK WITH ATHEIST UMAR IS NOT AN ATHEIST.

There are certain groups of people my conscience won't allow me to fuck with they include: Hebrew Israelites, atheist and any nigga calling himself a moor.

You won't work with me?

You seem like a nice guy and we agree on much but I don't know you personally and as an overall policy I don't trust atheist when it come to certain things.

We can work on food, water, shelter, clothing, and technology and protection. You can base me on those I respect and admire, Im more agnostic then anything really.

 

[D0wn]

Umar is a beast man, I'm glad this was a hour and not like 22 minutes

It felt like 22 minutes....

 

[D0wn]

We want to see your credentials "Dr. Umar"......


Dr. Cornell West has been calling Obama out since day one......

Umar was obviously talking about, as a community.... Obama had over 90% of the blk vote twice...

It wasn't only one person who voted for him.

He's failed he community, therefore the community should speak up.

 

[bambu]

We want to see your credentials "Dr. Umar"......


Dr. Cornell West has been calling Obama out since day one......

Umar was obviously talking about, as a community.... Obama had over 90% of the blk vote twice...

It wasn't only one person who voted for him.

He's failed he community, therefore the community should speak up.

I'm saying that black folks did speak up.....

I got banned in this bitch for "bashing Obama"....

Dr. West got blacklisted.....

There was a minute when black folks couldn't say no wrong about Obama without catching hell from the majority of black folks....

Obama got the black vote because niggas wasn't trying to vote for the white dudes......

Niggas been acquiesced Obama 's policies for what his image means to the community..

Too late to stand up now....

The nigga got a foot out the door....

 

[fortyacres]

he really went in on the President there.

It was truth tho.

he really went in on the President there.

He did. But it was honest, respectful and only in the context of his politics.

Let's not get caught up in Umar's opinion of Obama's politics. The crux of the Umar's content was White Supremacy and it's systematic destruction of Blacks in America.

I get ya'll african americans frustration with Barry O but ( i believe its more complex than people labelling him a coon etc) you gatta pick ?

is he all powerful,willingfully complicit and not good.

or

is he a powerless puppet who might be sincere but cant do nothing.

then we can judge him on either merit.

I don't think he's a coon. I think he's sincere, but is a puppet.... Dr. Umar explained it best - What measurable actions did Obama fight for black people? Did he fight for all the violence in Chicago? Did he fight for Police reform? NO, he fought for the lgbt community and regained economic interests in Africa.. like the Arab spring.

if you know he is a puppet who is sincere then how is he at fault ? then according to that reasoning he is fighting bigger forces than him.

 

[$tayRichROLLIN]

Who cares what fictious character some one prays to when we building

If you think my god is fake then you can never understand why I believe what I do and therefore cannot understand why I do what I do and we can therefore never really be on the same page

So if our beliefs are different when it comes to religion then you cannot be on the same page? I don't mean to insult you or your god but should you try and bring those close to your God that doesn't believe. Finding things you guys could relate on to be on the same page. Like converting someone? I could be way off base but hey...