Don't let this be you.........

[kingblaze84]

Any book that supports slavery and genocide like the Bible does is a book to be taken with a grain of salt. I'll take my chances without the Bble, thank you very much.

And if God is so all loving, he shouldn't send people to hell just because they don't give a fuck about Jesus. There have been plenty of good people to follow out there, why should we worship only one Jewish zombie who's lied to us over and over again. Didn't Jesus say he'll come quickly, after he died? It's been 2 thousand and 10 years motherfucker, come on out already. Oh yeah I forgot, Jesus was just a regular guy like me, no need to worry about this hell thing. Fuck any God that would send someone to hell just because they're not a believer in a man who was one of the biggest liars of all time.

 

[kingblaze84]

Summary

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LMAO!!!! Hahahahaha......I've been laughing for a minute now. So true and so funny, LMAO......

 

[kingblaze84]

I wish the stone cold logic you use could be given to people who actually know what the scriptures say so that the correct conclusions would be drawn. THe image you posted and the beliefs you are stating truly do sound FOOLISH. These thoughts aren't even found in the bible yet people believe them.

1. YHWH did not create man with Original Sin... the committed the sin of their own free will. They were perfect beings and they made this decision on their own.

2. Yehoshua / Jesus is not the same as YHWH... not a biblical teaching and this can easily be seen through the scriptures. THe trinity was never a teaching the Hebrews prescribed to and this teaching was introduced WHICH HISTORY CLEARLY STATES 200+ years after the bible was completed. Some enlightened person even showed this by means of a youtube video. I stated it like 4 pages ago but whatever. THerefre YHWH did not impregnate Mary with Himself... it was his son. THis is far more believable and makes far more sense

3. Once again Yehoshua and YHWH are not the same so he didn't sacrifice himself to himself. Adam was a PERFECT MAN whose sin threw mankind into a negative spiral leading to death. Yehoshua a PERFECT MAN had to in turn give his life in order to balance the scales so to speak. As YHWH says an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth. He even went so far as to apply that righteous rule in regards to his son... PERFECT LIFE for PERFECT LIFE.

Now you may not believe in God and that is cool - but doesn't the information about make far more sense then what the above image shows and what most misguided Christians believe?

Interesting post, if you're right.....the Bible would have a lot more credibility if there weren't so much bullshit in it, along with many retards as followers who make it seem Jesus IS God.

 

[killah_muhfucka]

Interesting post, if you're right.....the Bible would have a lot more credibility if there weren't so much bullshit in it, along with many retards as followers who make it seem Jesus IS God.

THe funny thing is every point I have made here is verifiable through history and the study of the customs of the people. Every single point these people have made has come about after the time the bible was written by people with agendas and through mistranslations which any scholar can pinpoint Easily. I completely understand why people think religions based on the bible are so foolish because they make it a religion based on fear.

Funny enough hell and purgatory and all that suffering was a thought foreign to the original Hebrews but it was taken from the babylonians and Egyptians. They argue using a translation that has so many errors and crapulent translation errors it is a shame.

How can anyone believe in a God that kill would let someone die... then resurrect them so he can make them burn in hell forever ROFL

 

[killah_muhfucka]

You didn’t really answer the question. ‘God’ says in the first person: “My counsel shall stand, and I WILL DO ALL MY PLEASURE [Heb: chephets- -desire, delight “(Isa. 46:10). Now ‘god’ has stated in (I Tim. 2:4) what His desire and pleasure and that was to have ALL men to be saved. So, are you saying ‘god’ will NOT fulfill ‘his’ desire to save all humanity?

I refuse to debate this with you because you are being completely illogical. If God was going to make sure that every man walking the face of this earth was going to be saved then the bible would have been two sentences.

"In the beginning... fuck it I am going to save everyone anyway so what the fuck else do I need to talk about. Rape, murder, rob and enjoy life because in the end I am gonna save you all anyway".

 

[kids in america_]

I am going to say this again..

THIS DOES NOT MEAN EVERY MEMBER OF MANKIND, it means MEN OF ALL RACES and BACKGROUNDS and not just JEWS. It hadn't been to long that the message of the "CHRIST" had been taken not only to the JEWS but now to the GENTILES.

Lok at the word all in a variety of other places, do you really think it means every single person in eery instance that it is used? The following verse says that he gave his life as a ransom for all but that does not mean that all will accept it.

So basically, you're saying god's "desire" to save all (I Tim. 2:4) is but a weak and unachievable wish and "he" can not do it. Interesting.

Furthermore, the scriptures that say the unforgivable sin is a grieving of the holy spirit. SO God is going to Forgive someone who commits the UNFORGIVABLE SIN just because he wants everyone to be saved?

I never heard of such a thing as the UNFORGIVABLE SIN. Where in scripture does it say this particular sin is unforgivable?

I am beginning to think you really have not thought this through or you are some weird form of new school Calvinist.

I'm a supporter of "biblical" universalism.

WHy should anyone follow a godly path because after all God is going to save you regardless of what you do. OOOOORRRRRR maybe God is going to let you die, then resurrect you and say.."He is it nice to be alive again? Well now you are going to burn for all eternity right next to the Devil and Hell." I stil want you to explain to anyone how HELL which you believe is a REAL place with FLAMES AND IS BURNING... IS GOING TO BE THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE WHICH IS ALSO A PLACE OF FLAMES AND BURNING.

I don’t take the “lake of fire” literally. I just don’t think the “lake of fire” has anything to do with “eternal” torment or “eternal” destruction of the "wicked" [two sickening doctrines I might add], but rather with chastisement/ correction and judgment of ‘god’. And the judgments of ‘god’ will set people right and ultimately "save" them. Quoting [Isaiah 26:9]… “for when Thy [god’s] judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness." Here’s a quote from [Rev 15:4 KJV] Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for ALL nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

It seems that when god's judgments are manifest or else revealed we will learn righteousness and every knee will bow and ALL NATIONS WILL worship "him".

For the love of god there are scriptures that clearly state that certain ones will not inherit gods kingdom and that they will be cut off.

LOOK AT YOU. the words you are stating are in contrast to these other two people but I bet all of you think you know what you are talking about.

I say the same thing.

 

[kids in america_]

I refuse to debate this with you because you are being completely illogical. If God was going to make sure that every man walking the face of this earth was going to be saved then the bible would have been two sentences.

"In the beginning... fuck it I am going to save everyone anyway so what the fuck else do I need to talk about. Rape, murder, rob and enjoy life because in the end I am gonna save you all anyway".

Now I never said there weren’t any consequences.

 

[killah_muhfucka]

So basically, you're saying god's "desire" to save all (I Tim. 2:4) is but a weak and unachievable wish and "he" can not do it. Interesting.

All i am going to say is context, context, context... God mentions so many times that there will be those who will destroyed and NOT BE A PART OF HIS KINGDOM. THEREFORE ALL MEN WILL NOT BE SAVED. IT SAYS BROAD AND SPACIOUS IS THE ROAD LEADING TO DESTRUCTION AND MANY ARE THE ONES FINDING IT. (I am not yelling... just capitilizing for emphasis). It was God's desire that Adam and Eve not eat of the tree as well... but they did. So they suffered and threw mankind into this state. It is actually very simple to understand. However you are also using a translation that IS KNOW FOR BEING ERRONEOUS and this scripture is one of those scriptures that has been translated incorrectly. All men is referring to men of all nations, all classes... not every single human on the planet. If that was the case then there would be no reason for anyone to take in knowledge of Christ now because in the end all will be saved anyway. Seriously I have no idea why this is hard to understand. Even with the King James version this is something that shouldn't be difficult to comprehend.

I never heard of such a thing as the UNFORGIVABLE SIN. Where in scripture does it say this particular sin is unforgivable?

Matthew 12:31-32

I'm a supporter of "biblical" universalism.

I don’t take the “lake of fire” literally. I just don’t think the “lake of fire” has anything to do with “eternal” torment or “eternal” destruction of the "wicked" [two sickening doctrines I might add], but rather with chastisement/ correction and judgment of ‘god’. And the judgments of ‘god’ will set people right and ultimately "save" them. Quoting [Isaiah 26:9]… “for when Thy [god’s] judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness." Here’s a quote from [Rev 15:4 KJV] Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for ALL nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

It seems that when god's judgments are manifest or else revealed we will learn righteousness and every knee will bow and ALL NATIONS WILL worship "him".

I do not believe the lake of fire is a place of eternal suffering... God is not capable of such evil. Maybe that point was made by the other three people and I confused that with you.
Once again though, look at revelations... even after the 1000 year reign of Christ there will still be those who past through the great tribulation and still side with the serpent AFTER HIS RELEASE from the Abyss. These ones will die. Not by being in fire forever but they will finally be destroyed along with the devil. Do you think that God is going to let them die YET AGAIN... and raise them back to be taught the right way to live AGAIN. Really if that is how god is operating he is a lunatic. Rev 20:7-9 states that after the 1000 year reign... Satan will once again mislead many as the sands of sea on the seashore and they will be destroyed by fire....

So let's say a faithful man died in 1543... then he is resurrected into God's Kingdom as the bible states. He decides he wants to screw up and sides with satan. Then God has to destroy him. THIS IS GODS DESIRE TO DESTROY THIS WICKED MAN.(You guys seem to understand his desire). Then he says to Himself... I like that guy. Let me bring him back to life again.

I say the same thing.

You guys are complicating things that are so simple, that is the reason peole tend not to believe Christians because they never accept the bible for what it says or even try to truly find out what it says through the context.

 

[killah_muhfucka]

Now I never said there weren’t any consequences.

PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING....

If God is ensuring that all men live forever.... and they all will regardless of the lifestyle they lead. What are the consequences?????

If God gave us free will to serve him or not as we know he has. HOW IN THE WORLD CAN HE ENSURE EVERYONE will recieve the bounty. If he does that there are no consequences.

 

[kids in america_]

I wish the stone cold logic you use could be given to people who actually know what the scriptures say so that the correct conclusions would be drawn. THe image you posted and the beliefs you are stating truly do sound FOOLISH. These thoughts aren't even found in the bible yet people believe them.

1. YHWH did not create man with Original Sin... the committed the sin of their own free will. They were perfect beings and they made this decision on their own.

2. Yehoshua / Jesus is not the same as YHWH... not a biblical teaching and this can easily be seen through the scriptures. THe trinity was never a teaching the Hebrews prescribed to and this teaching was introduced WHICH HISTORY CLEARLY STATES 200+ years after the bible was completed. Some enlightened person even showed this by means of a youtube video. I stated it like 4 pages ago but whatever. THerefre YHWH did not impregnate Mary with Himself... it was his son. THis is far more believable and makes far more sense

3. Once again Yehoshua and YHWH are not the same so he didn't sacrifice himself to himself. Adam was a PERFECT MAN whose sin threw mankind into a negative spiral leading to death. Yehoshua a PERFECT MAN had to in turn give his life in order to balance the scales so to speak. As YHWH says an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth. He even went so far as to apply that righteous rule in regards to his son... PERFECT LIFE for PERFECT LIFE.

Now you may not believe in God and that is cool - but doesn't the information about make far more sense then what the above image shows and what most misguided Christians believe?

1.) This doesn't make sense. If Adam and Eve were "perfect" beings that shouldn't have sin to begin with. If they were "perfect" beings it seems like they should of made the right choice instead of the wrong choice.

 

[kids in america_]

@killah I use more than one one "bible" translation . Most of the modern "bibles" are more accurate than the King James Bible. I just quote from the King James for the reason it is the most common.

 

[kids in america_]

I'm going to stop. I don't believe in a personal Satan, free will, eternal damnation and destruction, hell fire and brimstone, talking serpents, and so on. Our understandings of the "bible" are radically different. I don't see us really understanding each other on these particular issues. Also you completely ignored these verses:

[Isaiah 26:9]… “for when Thy [god’s] judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness."

[Rev 15:4 KJV] Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for ALL nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

 

[killah_muhfucka]

1.) This doesn't make sense. If Adam and Eve were "perfect" beings that shouldn't have sin to begin with. If they were "perfect" beings it seems like they should of made the right choice instead of the wrong choice.

First off lets look at this... WHy would god create a creature that he intended to have commit a sin that would alienate this creation from him... once again showing a god that is a complete moron. Just because he was perfect in body and mind does not mean that he is not allowed to do what he wants. He knew full well what sining against GOD WOULD bring.. but he wanted to anyway because he wanted to know what it was like to know "GOD AND BAD". Adam made the decision he wanted to make. He was not fooled as the Bible states. He gave up perfection and having a personal relationship with his father so that he could have the power of knowing what they tree offered.

Also the angels are perfect spirit beings.. but they left God as well.

REMEMBER your bible say at Dueteronomy 32:3,4 that ALL of YHWH ways are PERFECT! A god in whom there is no injustice. Is it just for him to create beings that were destined to fail?
It also says PERFECT is his Activity. THink ABout that.

Is there anyone besides god who is perfect?

Remember there are also levels of perfection... the angels are perfect... but certain angels are more powerful then others and have other responsibilities that others do not. SHowing different levels of perfection

Adam made the decision that he WANTED to MAKE and he Made it. As a human you are thinking Perfect in the abslute sense... there is relative perfection / levels to perfection.

Hebrews 10:1-4 says that certain sacrifices make men perfect.. does that mean it makes them like GOD.

1 john 4:8 says perfect love throws fear outside... so here we have the acknowledgement that imperfect individuals can have perfect love.

Perfection can be relative.

 

[kids in america_]

Matthew 12:31-32

Matthew 12:31 -32 does not say that the blasphemy of the spirit will NEVER EVER be pardoned. The verses say only unpardonable in this world/age and also in the world/age to come [the impending age]. It doesn't say it will NEVER be pardoned--only in this and the coming world/ age will it NOT be pardoned.

"Mat 12:31 Therefore I tell you, people will be forgiven for every sin and blasphemy, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. "

 

[killah_muhfucka]

I'm going to stop. I don't believe in a personal Satan, free will, eternal damnation and destruction, hell fire and brimstone, talking serpents, and so on. Our understandings of the "bible" are radically different. I don't see us really understanding each other on these particular issues.

Also you completely ignored these verses:

[Isaiah 26:9]… “for when Thy [god’s] judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness."

[Rev 15:4 KJV] Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for ALL nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

I believe that satan is a real spirit being because after all in Job it says he appeared before Gods angels and spoke directly to God.
I believe in Free Will... that is why we can all chose who we want to serve and deal with the consequences of our actions. Otherwise we are all robots and the bible and all its wisdom are useless because in the end everyone would be saved. They would have no choice.
I dont believe in Hellfire or Brimstone but I do believe in people being destroyed and not living forever.

I am not ignoring your scriptures it is just the fact that you are taking a word and using it out of context. If we look at the bible and everywhere it uses the word all literally using it to mean "ALL" then we are ridiculous. Its just like you saying "All the Girls love me"... I am sure there are some that do not.

Jesus Himself say that the mustard seed is the tiniest of "ALL" seeds on the earth. That was not true there are seeds that are smaller but they are not native to that region so if he said one that they would not know about the illustration would have made no sense to them and prove ineffective. SO Jesus using "ALL" didn't really mean all.. IT WAS RELATIVE TO WHAT THEY KNEW. I could go one but it wouldn't matter

Do you really think that the word ALL everytime it is used literally means ALL ENCOMPASSING EVERYTHING? ITS IN THE CONTEXT.

 

[killah_muhfucka]

Matthew 12:31 -32 does not say that the blasphemy of the spirit will NEVER EVER be pardoned. The verses say only unpardonable in this world/age and also in the world/age to come [the impending age]. It doesn't say it will NEVER be pardoned--only in this and the coming world/ age will it NOT be pardoned.

"Mat 12:31 Therefore I tell you, people will be forgiven for every sin and blasphemy, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. "

Not sure if you notice this but you are proving the point. Your comprehension game is down son.
The fuck he have to say it like ANDRE 3000, "never, never ever, never ever ever"?

It says it will NOT BE forgiven. Doesn't that mean he will not forgive it. Then the following verse speaks that anyone speaking against the Son of Man will not be forgiven now or Later... The fuck you need to read so that you UNDERSTAND THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN. THE HELL ARE YOU ON?

Seriously dog... You and the other guy said "If god says he DESIRES ALL MEN TO BE SAVED" don't you think he will do it.

Yet he says this sin is unforgivable... but you believe it still is...

I dont expect everyone to believe the same thing but for God's sake all your beliefs are off of conjecture / mistranslated text / Pagan Ideas incorporated after the bible was completed in its writing.

I give to you plan logic from the bible, and I am wrong??

 

[kids in america_]

First off lets look at this... WHy would god create a creature that he intended to have commit a sin that would alienate this creation from him... once again showing a god that is a complete moron. Just because he was perfect in body and mind does not mean that he is not allowed to do what he wants. He knew full well what sining against GOD WOULD bring.. but he wanted to anyway because he wanted to know what it was like to know "GOD AND BAD". Adam made the decision he wanted to make. He was not fooled as the Bible states. He gave up perfection and having a personal relationship with his father so that he could have the power of knowing what they tree offered.

Personally, I believe 'god' intended from the beginning that man sin. Genesis says ‘god’ is creating man in his own image and likeness. Read Gen 3:22: Then the LORD God said, "See, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"-

I think knowing “good and evil” maybe one of the most essential rudiments in being made in the image of ‘god’. In my opinion, to truly “know” both “good and evil” Adam and Eve had to partake of its source, which was the “tree of knowledge of good and evil”. Well that's my belief.

Also the angels are perfect spirit beings.. but they left God as well.

REMEMBER your bible say at Dueteronomy 32:3,4 that ALL of YHWH ways are PERFECT! A god in whom there is no injustice. Is it just for him to create beings that were destined to fail?
It also says PERFECT is his Activity. THink ABout that.

Is there anyone besides god who is perfect?

Remember there are also levels of perfection... the angels are perfect... but certain angels are more powerful then others and have other responsibilities that others do not. SHowing different levels of perfection

Adam made the decision that he WANTED to MAKE and he Made it. As a human you are thinking Perfect in the abslute sense... there is relative perfection / levels to perfection.

Hebrews 10:1-4 says that certain sacrifices make men perfect.. does that mean it makes them like GOD.

1 john 4:8 says perfect love throws fear outside... so here we have the acknowledgement that imperfect individuals can have perfect love.

Perfection can be relative.

That's why I put the world perfect in quotation marks. I didn't really know how you were using the word.

 

[kids in america_]

Not sure if you notice this but you are proving the point. Your comprehension game is down son.

The fuck he have to say it like ANDRE 3000, "never, never ever, never ever ever"?

It says it will NOT BE forgiven. Doesn't that mean he will not forgive it. Then the following verse speaks that anyone speaking against the Son of Man will not be forgiven now or Later... The fuck you need to read so that you UNDERSTAND THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN. THE HELL ARE YOU ON?

lol

It says the sin against the holy spirit will not be pardoned in either of these two ages [this age and the age to come]. What about the age AFTER those two ages?

 

[killah_muhfucka]

Personally, I believe 'god' intended from the beginning that man sin. Genesis says ‘god’ is creating man in his own image and likeness. Read Gen 3:22: Then the LORD God said, "See, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"-

I think knowing “good and evil” maybe one of the most essential rudiments in being made in the image of ‘god’. In my opinion, to truly “know” both “good and evil” Adam and Eve had to partake of its source, which was the “tree of knowledge of good and evil”. Well that's my belief.

That's why I put the world perfect in quotation marks. I didn't really know how you were using the word.

But why would he INTEND for man to sin. What was the point of that.

 

[kids in america_]

I believe that satan is a real spirit being because after all in Job it says he appeared before Gods angels and spoke directly to God.

I believe in Free Will... that is why we can all chose who we want to serve and deal with the consequences of our actions. Otherwise we are all robots and the bible and all its wisdom are useless because in the end everyone would be saved. They would have no choice.

I dont believe in Hellfire or Brimstone but I do believe in people being destroyed and not living forever.

I am not ignoring your scriptures it is just the fact that you are taking a word and using it out of context. If we look at the bible and everywhere it uses the word all literally using it to mean "ALL" then we are ridiculous. Its just like you saying "All the Girls love me"... I am sure there are some that do not.

Jesus Himself say that the mustard seed is the tiniest of "ALL" seeds on the earth. That was not true there are seeds that are smaller but they are not native to that region so if he said one that they would not know about the illustration would have made no sense to them and prove ineffective. SO Jesus using "ALL" didn't really mean all.. IT WAS RELATIVE TO WHAT THEY KNEW. I could go one but it wouldn't matter

Do you really think that the word ALL everytime it is used literally means ALL ENCOMPASSING EVERYTHING? ITS IN THE CONTEXT.

"Free will" is not just making choices. A computer can make choices.