Does Jay Z Have A "One Hot Album Every 10 Year Average"?

[TrillRussell]

Vol 1 & Vol 2 are just average??? Smh....wtf grading scale are you using??? If 95% of rappers released those albums they'd be praised as great albums but since jay dropped em they're average that's like lebron dropping a triple double and ppl saying it's just a ok game just cuz its lebron...

If we're really being honest the grading scale is different for jay then it is for other rappers so average for him would be above average for others....but if you believe his catalog is "average" who's catalog do you consider above average/great cuz I'm pretty sure jay's is right on par with who ever you can name

No disrespect bruh...but you do have A Rocafella chain in your avi..So i'm pretty sure you think everything he did was great

That's what's wrong with IC niggas think you gotta be a stan just cuz your a fan....my avi don't mean I think everything the man does is great but to say his albums aren't hot and are just average means you don't move past the IC or your grading them on a different scale from other rappers which is backwards to grade a rappers albums on an above average scale but then call them average or not hot

How is Jay Graded on A higher scale when niggas do the same shit to other legends on the IC daily?but it's ok then right?..Niggas can hurl piles of shit on other rappers legacies and catalogues that did just as much for the game as Jay if not more..and get laughs and cosigns from it..but Oh when somebody logically critiques Jay's body of work people wanna act like you disrespected god?nah bruh

Bra you keep talking bout what everybody does to everybody else which is changing up the discussion...I've never heard anybody say nas catalog is average or pac or cube unless they were trolling....and to say jay ain't graded on a higher scale nigga you bugging all the goats are if Ross were to drop vol 1 you'd be calling it fire if ja rule were to drop something like vol 2 you'd call it above average etc....its the same thing with all the goats...you ain't gotta like a nigga albums to give them their do credit cuz that's when it turns from opinion to hate..

You aint say all greats were graded on a higher scale..you said Jay himself was graded on a higher scale..Like he just head and shoulders above every rapper that ever did it..and that's bullshit

 

[5 Grand]

I think Hov is more of a businessman than a rapper tho, he's just good at covering that. Yall ever notice that Hov never drops an album without sponsors to back it ? Blueprint 2 he had the major sneaker deal with Reebok & Roc Tha Mic tour, Black Album he sold Rocawear for 204 mil and "retired", Kingdom Come was the album to fulfill his obligation to Def Jam & return plus he got the Budweiser deal and a liquor deal for Armand De Bregnac/Ace of Spades, American Gangster he got a big ass pay check from the movie studio to promote the album and his album was the soundtrack to it. Blueprint 3 he got the LiveNation deal for $150 million dropped the Decoded book, got married, and announced he was doing WTT with Kanye. MCHG he had the Samsung deal and all that.

I don't think Jay cares about dropping a "GREAT" album, it just has to be a superior product that he's pleased with that he knows yall will eat up and will satisfy his corporate sponsors sales wise. There's nothing wrong with that but when you have obligations to other organizations it's hard to drop music that is going to be critically acclaimed consistently and true to an artist's vision. That's why he did AG and it was so well received by critics cuz it was on music he grew up on and wasn't anyone to tell him to watch what he say cuz the theme of the music was consistent w/ how he felt.

That's also why Kanye West can drop albums and have such a consistent catalog of "classics". Ye don't have 101 sponsors to please backing him. He just has the label and b/c of who he is they're not gonna tell him how to make a Kanye album. If Hov wasn't so heavy into business and doing that he'd have more classic albums.

Agreed. And that whole 11 or 12 number one albums or whatever number he's at now is clearly only because he drops his albums when nobody else is dropping anything. He dropped the blueprint 3 back when the other other competition at the time was a lil boosie album so of course it was gonna be a number one album.

i cant believe people still make this point with a straight face

its always jay is avoiding competition on release dates instead of competition avoiding him

fact is jay dropped on the same day as outkast twice, black star, r. kelly, mariah carey, bob dylan, nickelback, snoop, g-unit at the height of 50's popularity, etc. and still recorded number ones

no other rappers gets discredited for dropping number ones albums. why single out jay?

Because he made himself a target by bragging about it and because both you and I know that bp3 wouldn't have been a number one album had it dropped at the same time as a Kanye or Eminem album which easily outsells a Jay-Z album any day of the week. Check the numbers. Not saying none of his albums are worthy of being number one albums but Kingdom Come was garbage and he's been mediocre since he came back from retirement. Jay-Z goes platinum but he rarely goes double or triple platinum. And just out of curiosity, which albums did Jay drop at the same time as any of the artists that you mentioned?

out of jay's 12 solo albums, only 3 sold less than 2 million

there's only 1 artist that has more number 1 albums than jay i believe. as a hip hop artist is that not one hell of an accomplishment?

jay's first week sales on average is the same if not higher than kanye's. the only big name artist kanye went up against is 50. impressive victory nonetheless. em? no other rap act will outsell eminem in the first week. then again not many rappers are outselling jay in that aspect either

vol. 2 and aquemini dropped on the same day

dynasty and stankonia dropped on the same day

blueprint, dylan's love & theft,nickelback and carey's glitter dropped on 9/11/01

black album and beg for mercy dropped on the same day

kingdom come and snoops blue carpet treatment dropped on the same day

i stand corrected with r. kelly's R and black star going head to head with jay but the rest are accurate

I'm pretty sure Beg For Mercy and The Black Album were 1 week apart.

 

[Already Home_17]

I think Hov is more of a businessman than a rapper tho, he's just good at covering that. Yall ever notice that Hov never drops an album without sponsors to back it ? Blueprint 2 he had the major sneaker deal with Reebok & Roc Tha Mic tour, Black Album he sold Rocawear for 204 mil and "retired", Kingdom Come was the album to fulfill his obligation to Def Jam & return plus he got the Budweiser deal and a liquor deal for Armand De Bregnac/Ace of Spades, American Gangster he got a big ass pay check from the movie studio to promote the album and his album was the soundtrack to it. Blueprint 3 he got the LiveNation deal for $150 million dropped the Decoded book, got married, and announced he was doing WTT with Kanye. MCHG he had the Samsung deal and all that.

I don't think Jay cares about dropping a "GREAT" album, it just has to be a superior product that he's pleased with that he knows yall will eat up and will satisfy his corporate sponsors sales wise. There's nothing wrong with that but when you have obligations to other organizations it's hard to drop music that is going to be critically acclaimed consistently and true to an artist's vision. That's why he did AG and it was so well received by critics cuz it was on music he grew up on and wasn't anyone to tell him to watch what he say cuz the theme of the music was consistent w/ how he felt.

That's also why Kanye West can drop albums and have such a consistent catalog of "classics". Ye don't have 101 sponsors to please backing him. He just has the label and b/c of who he is they're not gonna tell him how to make a Kanye album. If Hov wasn't so heavy into business and doing that he'd have more classic albums.

Agreed. And that whole 11 or 12 number one albums or whatever number he's at now is clearly only because he drops his albums when nobody else is dropping anything. He dropped the blueprint 3 back when the other other competition at the time was a lil boosie album so of course it was gonna be a number one album.

i cant believe people still make this point with a straight face

its always jay is avoiding competition on release dates instead of competition avoiding him

fact is jay dropped on the same day as outkast twice, black star, r. kelly, mariah carey, bob dylan, nickelback, snoop, g-unit at the height of 50's popularity, etc. and still recorded number ones

no other rappers gets discredited for dropping number ones albums. why single out jay?

Because he made himself a target by bragging about it and because both you and I know that bp3 wouldn't have been a number one album had it dropped at the same time as a Kanye or Eminem album which easily outsells a Jay-Z album any day of the week. Check the numbers. Not saying none of his albums are worthy of being number one albums but Kingdom Come was garbage and he's been mediocre since he came back from retirement. Jay-Z goes platinum but he rarely goes double or triple platinum. And just out of curiosity, which albums did Jay drop at the same time as any of the artists that you mentioned?

out of jay's 12 solo albums, only 3 sold less than 2 million

there's only 1 artist that has more number 1 albums than jay i believe. as a hip hop artist is that not one hell of an accomplishment?

jay's first week sales on average is the same if not higher than kanye's. the only big name artist kanye went up against is 50. impressive victory nonetheless. em? no other rap act will outsell eminem in the first week. then again not many rappers are outselling jay in that aspect either

vol. 2 and aquemini dropped on the same day

dynasty and stankonia dropped on the same day

blueprint, dylan's love & theft,nickelback and carey's glitter dropped on 9/11/01

black album and beg for mercy dropped on the same day

kingdom come and snoops blue carpet treatment dropped on the same day

i stand corrected with r. kelly's R and black star going head to head with jay but the rest are accurate

I'm pretty sure Beg For Mercy and The Black Album were 1 week apart.

 

[5 Grand]

You know what? That Wikipedia link is wrong. I remember when those albums came out. They were a week apart and G-Unit outsold Jay Z. I remember when it happened cause me and the people I worked with were saying that 'people like 50 Cent more than they like Jay Z because G Unit sold more'

 

[GetoBoy]

Vol 1 & Vol 2 are just average??? Smh....wtf grading scale are you using??? If 95% of rappers released those albums they'd be praised as great albums but since jay dropped em they're average that's like lebron dropping a triple double and ppl saying it's just a ok game just cuz its lebron...

If we're really being honest the grading scale is different for jay then it is for other rappers so average for him would be above average for others....but if you believe his catalog is "average" who's catalog do you consider above average/great cuz I'm pretty sure jay's is right on par with who ever you can name

No disrespect bruh...but you do have A Rocafella chain in your avi..So i'm pretty sure you think everything he did was great

That's what's wrong with IC niggas think you gotta be a stan just cuz your a fan....my avi don't mean I think everything the man does is great but to say his albums aren't hot and are just average means you don't move past the IC or your grading them on a different scale from other rappers which is backwards to grade a rappers albums on an above average scale but then call them average or not hot

How is Jay Graded on A higher scale when niggas do the same shit to other legends on the IC daily?but it's ok then right?..Niggas can hurl piles of shit on other rappers legacies and catalogues that did just as much for the game as Jay if not more..and get laughs and cosigns from it..but Oh when somebody logically critiques Jay's body of work people wanna act like you disrespected god?nah bruh

Bra you keep talking bout what everybody does to everybody else which is changing up the discussion...I've never heard anybody say nas catalog is average or pac or cube unless they were trolling....and to say jay ain't graded on a higher scale nigga you bugging all the goats are if Ross were to drop vol 1 you'd be calling it fire if ja rule were to drop something like vol 2 you'd call it above average etc....its the same thing with all the goats...you ain't gotta like a nigga albums to give them their do credit cuz that's when it turns from opinion to hate..

You aint say all greats were graded on a higher scale..you said Jay himself was graded on a higher scale..Like he just head and shoulders above every rapper that ever did it..and that's bullshit

Well this thread is about jay....didn't know I needed to literally spell it out for you kinda thought you would have got the point of my post....whether you wanna admit it or not jay music is graded on a higher scale then damn near any other rapper so to call his music below average on a scale where if another artist were to drop it would be credited with a great album is just backwards

 

[Already Home_17]

You know what? That Wikipedia link is wrong. I remember when those albums came out. They were a week apart and G-Unit outsold Jay Z. I remember when it happened cause me and the people I worked with were saying that 'people like 50 Cent more than they like Jay Z because G Unit sold more'

i think g-unit was supposed to drop the following week but it was ultimately moved up

black album peaked at #1. g-unit peaked at #2. BA sold 3 million. beg for mercy sold 2 million. thats not outselling on the units part

but if you can provide a link proving me wrong then props

 

[5 Grand]

You know what? That Wikipedia link is wrong. I remember when those albums came out. They were a week apart and G-Unit outsold Jay Z. I remember when it happened cause me and the people I worked with were saying that 'people like 50 Cent more than they like Jay Z because G Unit sold more'

i think g-unit was supposed to drop the following week but it was ultimately moved up

black album peaked at #1. g-unit peaked at #2. BA sold 3 million. beg for mercy sold 2 million. thats not outselling on the units part

but if you can provide a link proving me wrong then props

Not to nitpick, but are those sales domestic or international? Cause I could swear that G Unit outsold The Black Album in their first week, but it was a week apart. Ja Rule's Blood in My Eye EP came out around the same time. Also Nas's God's Son was out around that time.

Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but those first week numbers can change over time.

 

[TrillRussell]

Vol 1 & Vol 2 are just average??? Smh....wtf grading scale are you using??? If 95% of rappers released those albums they'd be praised as great albums but since jay dropped em they're average that's like lebron dropping a triple double and ppl saying it's just a ok game just cuz its lebron...

If we're really being honest the grading scale is different for jay then it is for other rappers so average for him would be above average for others....but if you believe his catalog is "average" who's catalog do you consider above average/great cuz I'm pretty sure jay's is right on par with who ever you can name

No disrespect bruh...but you do have A Rocafella chain in your avi..So i'm pretty sure you think everything he did was great

That's what's wrong with IC niggas think you gotta be a stan just cuz your a fan....my avi don't mean I think everything the man does is great but to say his albums aren't hot and are just average means you don't move past the IC or your grading them on a different scale from other rappers which is backwards to grade a rappers albums on an above average scale but then call them average or not hot

How is Jay Graded on A higher scale when niggas do the same shit to other legends on the IC daily?but it's ok then right?..Niggas can hurl piles of shit on other rappers legacies and catalogues that did just as much for the game as Jay if not more..and get laughs and cosigns from it..but Oh when somebody logically critiques Jay's body of work people wanna act like you disrespected god?nah bruh

Bra you keep talking bout what everybody does to everybody else which is changing up the discussion...I've never heard anybody say nas catalog is average or pac or cube unless they were trolling....and to say jay ain't graded on a higher scale nigga you bugging all the goats are if Ross were to drop vol 1 you'd be calling it fire if ja rule were to drop something like vol 2 you'd call it above average etc....its the same thing with all the goats...you ain't gotta like a nigga albums to give them their do credit cuz that's when it turns from opinion to hate..

You aint say all greats were graded on a higher scale..you said Jay himself was graded on a higher scale..Like he just head and shoulders above every rapper that ever did it..and that's bullshit

Well this thread is about jay....didn't know I needed to literally spell it out for you kinda thought you would have got the point of my post....whether you wanna admit it or not jay music is graded on a higher scale then damn near any other rapper so to call his music below average on a scale where if another artist were to drop it would be credited with a great album is just backwards

No he's not..he's dropped wack and average shit like every other rapper..stop being a stan bruh

 

[GetoBoy]

Who said he hasn't dropped average music again??? Bra get outta yo hating feelings my nig I never said everything he's dropped been classic I said his catalog is above average if we're grading it on a scale equal to everybody else but since you and I know that's not how he's graded then it's hard to call his catalog average when his music is graded on a higher scale then most rappers...

 

[Already Home_17]

You know what? That Wikipedia link is wrong. I remember when those albums came out. They were a week apart and G-Unit outsold Jay Z. I remember when it happened cause me and the people I worked with were saying that 'people like 50 Cent more than they like Jay Z because G Unit sold more'

i think g-unit was supposed to drop the following week but it was ultimately moved up

black album peaked at #1. g-unit peaked at #2. BA sold 3 million. beg for mercy sold 2 million. thats not outselling on the units part

but if you can provide a link proving me wrong then props

Not to nitpick, but are those sales domestic or international? Cause I could swear that G Unit outsold The Black Album in their first week, but it was a week apart. Ja Rule's Blood in My Eye EP came out around the same time. Also Nas's God's Son was out around that time.

Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but those first week numbers can change over time.

gods son dropped in 2002

beg for mercy sold 3 million worldwide

black album sold 3 million in the u.s. and was certified*gold,platinum,silver etc.* in a few other countries

 

[TrillRussell]

Who said he hasn't dropped average music again??? Bra get outta yo hating feelings my nig I never said everything he's dropped been classic I said his catalog is above average if we're grading it on a scale equal to everybody else but since you and I know that's not how he's graded then it's hard to call his catalog average when his music is graded on a higher scale then most rappers...

When you say his music is graded on A higher scale you basically saying his shit that's graded as wack/Average is actually good/great...and I don't agree..A wack/average album is A wack/average album.period I don't play the "Well if this artist dropped this album it would be perceived this or that way" type of games..fact of the matter is..He dropped them..they weren't great..get over it

 

[GetoBoy]

Ok bruh vol 1 and vol 2 are below average albums.....and jay has just a run of the mill average catalog.....Gotcha!!!

 

[semi-auto-mato]

just out of curiousity...what things factor into an album being below average, average, or above average...just asking anyone

 

[TrillRussell]

Ok bruh vol 1 and vol 2 are below average albums.....and jay has just a run of the mill average catalog.....Gotcha!!!

I aint saying that his catalog is wack overall my nigga..I even gave the nigga credit for 3 maybe 4 classic albums.most niggas don't even think he has that many.but What i'm saying is....why should his body of work be off limits to discuss and you can't say any of his shit is wack or average without niggas wack'n and nosigning..But it's ok to throw piles of shit on other legends catalogs that laid down just as much foundation in the game if not more?I've seen other legends get their discographies and legacies ripped to shreds on this mufucka..but anytime somebody says anything other than "Jayz is the greatest of all time and he can do no wrong" it's a no sign or A wack post?lol..c'mon bruh..but i'm the 1 in my feelings?I appreciate the culture as A whole..And I give unbiased opinions..I aint A man fan of any of these niggas

 

[GetoBoy]

IMO I think it differs from artist to artist or person to person.... Each person idea of what average is differs on which artist you talking about so average for nas ain't the same as average for big sean or average for jay ain't the same as average for rick ross becuz they make different types of music so the scale is gonna change...it also matters if you're asking is something average for them or average for everybody cuz somebody feel if it ain't some super lyrical nas rap then it's not great or average so it's all subjective

 

[semi-auto-mato]

@getoboy...ok i was thinking the same that some people are just graded differently. they kinda have their own bar.

@trillrussell.. u not really unbiased. u continue to make the point that u have seen other legends ripped apart so u kinda doing ur best to rip jay. u havent really given a reason for saying he is below average other than i can do it because people rip other legends.

 

[TrillRussell]

@getoboy...ok i was thinking the same that some people are just graded differently. they kinda have their own bar.

@trillrussell.. u not really unbiased. u continue to make the point that u have seen other legends ripped apart so u kinda doing ur best to rip jay. u havent really given a reason for saying he is below average other than i can do it because people rip other legends.

I aint ripping him tho..I think he's 1 of the greats..I gave him his just due for 3 to 4 hip hop classics..But what i'm saying is..He's not untouchable and his work outside of the masterpieces has some inconsistencies..and if 1 logic applies to other legends it should apply to him too...Am I wrong for that?

 

[semi-auto-mato]

@getoboy...ok i was thinking the same that some people are just graded differently. they kinda have their own bar.

@trillrussell.. u not really unbiased. u continue to make the point that u have seen other legends ripped apart so u kinda doing ur best to rip jay. u havent really given a reason for saying he is below average other than i can do it because people rip other legends.

I aint ripping him tho..I think he's 1 of the greats..I gave him his just due for 3 to 4 hip hop classics..But what i'm saying is..He's not untouchable and his work outside of the masterpieces has some inconsistencies...Am I wrong for that?

absolutely not wrong for that. i guess its how u put it. if i say jay has 3 classics i need to be able to explain it some way other than they hot albums i give them 5 mics. if u say he has wack albums u should explain ur reasoning for that but u are definitely not wrong for feeling the way u feel.

 

[GetoBoy]

Ok bruh vol 1 and vol 2 are below average albums.....and jay has just a run of the mill average catalog.....Gotcha!!!

I aint saying that his catalog is wack overall my nigga..I even gave the nigga credit for 3 maybe 4 classic albums.most niggas don't even think he has that many.but What i'm saying is....why should his body of work be off limits to discuss and you can't say any of his shit is wack or average without niggas wack'n and nosigning..But it's ok to throw piles of shit on other legends catalogs that laid down just as much foundation in the game if not more?I've seen other legends get their discographies and legacies ripped to shreds on this mufucka..but anytime somebody says anything other than "Jayz is the greatest of all time and he can do no wrong" it's a no sign or A wack post?lol..c'mon bruh..but i'm the 1 in my feelings?I appreciate the culture as A whole..And I give unbiased opinions..I aint A man fan of any of these niggas

Either your new here or you just trolling cuz NOBODIES catalog gets ripped and dissected more around here the jay's...where are you getting yo info its like you have a block on all negative jay z post and threads to keep saying the same thing....jay gets ripped to shreds more then damn near anybody so idk where you keep getting this everybody act like jay is off limits stuff....and if you don't believe me you need to go back through a few of the jay threads and freshin up...but if you believe jay gets a pass while everybody else gets ripped start a who has a better catalog jay nas big pac cube face etc and see where it goes you'll end up finding out that the last thing he gets is a pass

 

[_Lefty]

just out of curiousity...what things factor into an album being below average, average, or above average...just asking anyone

Popular opinion. Dark side of the moon by Pink Floyd is considered a universal classic in the music community. But most of us can't/won't sit through half of it. Subjectivity and popular opinion drive hip hop debate. You can't go to a Nas discussion board and say he's better than Jay, and you can't go to a Jay-z discussion board and say he's better than Nas. If there's nothing statistical to draw from except sales, and sales don't matter amongst serious hip-hop listeners, who ever has the most compelling argument wins. Subjectivity my nigga.