Do you believe in Karma?

[Doctopian]

so my comment still stands.

About Atheists? No it doesn't.

For your statement to be true, one would have to equate a lack of belief in a god with belief in nothing. Sure, you could believe that, but it doesn't make it true in any objective way.

 

[SlickestR]

so my comment still stands.

About Atheists? No it doesn't.

For your statement to be true, one would have to equate a lack of belief in a god with belief in nothing. Sure, you could believe that, but it doesn't make it true in any objective way.

Alright, i got you.

 

[Mr.Audigier216]

Now this should b moved to a different forum

 

[jsnowpro]

this why i dont fuck wit religious folk. u nyggas is backward as fuck ..

 

[Idiopathic Joker]

There is no karma

I believe in God but fuck religion

Satan is a myth

Man is naturally good and evil

 

[DreadsRIGHT]

Lol at this clown in here saying to blame the devil for bad things. If you beleive in christian god he created the devil.

None of that christian shit makes sense the more knowledge you gain the more you stray away..

I dont believe in karma but i do believe in positive and negative energy

 

[CoolJoe]

Nope.

 

[Dr.Chemix]

Lol at this clown in here saying to blame the devil for bad things. If you beleive in christian god he created the devil.

None of that christian shit makes sense the more knowledge you gain the more you stray away..

I dont believe in karma but i do believe in positive and negative energy

He didn't create the devil dummy. He created morningstars. Lucifer's choice made him into the devil. God just didn't create the devil from that very existence of evil.

Instead of trying to be smart ass, how about being an actual smart ass and read before you say something that you know nothing about

brainchild...

You don't believe in karma but you believe in positive and negative energy

Ass backwards yo...

 

[fiat_money]

maybe not karma in it's strictest definition. but i think more than likely doing bad things will come back to you. that's more so cuz you're burning people and will eventually run into someone like yourself or have people seeking revenge against you

That's "cause and effect" b.

that's true

i think that's what is being mislabelled karma by most people

Altered and cosigned.

I didn't know "labelled" was a valid alternate spelling of "labeled".

that's the american english spelling. in the oxford english dictionary it has 2 l's, and since i'm canadian, it's the spelling system i use

Word, I was going to alter its spelling at first, but when I googled that shit I saw it was valid.

 

[DR. JEK]

Nawl wtf is karma really? Id rather believe in Jesus. I don't like believing in luck or things deriving from nothing into something or we all came from monkeys or non of that other tired shit. I been thru too much in my life t think karma worked for me

 

[tru_m.a.c]

5 pages and nobody wants to drop definitions to end all this silly bickering

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Karma (Sanskrit, also karman, Pāli: Kamma) means "action" or "doing"; whatever one does, says, or thinks is a karma. In Buddhism, the term karma is used specifically for those actions which spring from the intention (Sanskrit: cetanā, Pali: cetana) of an unenlightened being.

These bring about a fruit (Sanskrit, Pali: phala) or result (S., P.: vipāka; the two are often used together as vipākaphala), either within the present life, or in the context of a future rebirth. Other Indian religions have different views on karma. Karma is the engine which drives the wheel of the cycle of uncontrolled rebirth (S., P. saṃsāra) for each being. In the early texts it is not, however, the only causal mechanism influencing the lives of sentient beings.

As one scholar states, "the Buddhist theory of action and result (karmaphala) is fundamental to much of Buddhist doctrine, because it provides a coherent model of the functioning of the world and its beings, which in turn forms the doctrinal basis for the Buddhist explanations of the path of liberation from the world and its result, nirvāṇa."[1]

as fiat already said, how do you cut & paste karma from its doctrine and throw everything else away???

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Incorrect understandings of karma in the early sutras

In Buddhism, karma is not pre-determinism, fatalism or accidentalism, as all these ideas lead to inaction and destroy motivation and human effort. These ideas undermine the important concept that a human being can change for the better no matter what his or her past was, and they are designated as "wrong views" in Buddhism. The Buddha identified three:

Pubbekatahetuvada: The belief that all happiness and suffering, including all future happiness and suffering, arise from previous karma, and human beings can exercise no volition to affect future results (Past-action determinism).

Issaranimmanahetuvada: The belief that all happiness and suffering are caused by the directives of a Supreme Being (Theistic determinism).

Ahetu-appaccaya-vaada: The belief that all happiness and suffering are random, having no cause (Indeterminism or Accidentalism).[26]

Karma is continually ripening, but it is also continually being generated by present actions, therefore it is possible to exercise free will to shape future karma. P.A. Payutto writes, "the Buddha asserts effort and motivation as the crucial factors in deciding the ethical value of these various teachings on kamma."

good fuckn night

 

[Dr.Chemix]

No you can come to that conclusion.

Karma exists whether you believe or not...

Those who don't believe in karma in this thread will run into a karma example soon

The question is, will they notice it or just chuck it up to randomness

Probably so...

Karma doesn't exist. Your belief in it is irrelevant.

Those who do believe in karma, will encounter life circumstances that they will attribute to karma, but that attribution will be without substance or merit.

Despite how unsubstantiated their claims are, they will continue to belief in them out of a sense of comfort. After all, the universe/god has a vested interest in our well-being for whatever reason.

Yeah, this is the part where we agree to disagree.

Yo man

How the fuck you're going to tell me that MY belief in it is irrelevant??

Lol...people yo...

So fucking smart but can't calculate why their own heads up their asses

Your belief in its non existence is irrelevant.

Like I said, you super smart dudes always trying to see things through logic

But this entire realm, this universe is illogical.

 

[Doctopian]

Yo man

How the fuck you're going to tell me that MY belief in it is irrelevant??

Lol...people yo...

So fucking smart but can't calculate why their own heads up their asses

Your belief in its non existence is irrelevant.

Like I said, you super smart dudes always trying to see things through logic

But this entire realm, this universe is illogical.

Eh, the same way you did in the post I quoted?

I see my point went over your head. I took what you said and turned it against you in attempt to illustrate how childish our "discussion" became. It basically devolved into, "I'm right and you're wrong," so there was really no point in continuing it. It didn't help matters that we weren't even using the same definitions for the concept of Karma which makes a coherent discussion about it impossible.

I'm using the definition of the term as it is understood in the Eastern religious traditions from which it originated, while your definition seems to be influenced by some form of Judeo-Christian Spirituality.

I'm not going to even address those feelings-laced generalizations you made as they don't really apply to me.

 

[fiat_money]

^^Classic "okey doke":

 

[fiat_money]

5 pages and nobody wants to drop definitions to end all this silly bickering

Word, I dropped the definition pages ago; but niggas make up their own definitions, so it's cool.

 

[Dr.Chemix]

Yo man

How the fuck you're going to tell me that MY belief in it is irrelevant??

Lol...people yo...

So fucking smart but can't calculate why their own heads up their asses

Your belief in its non existence is irrelevant.

Like I said, you super smart dudes always trying to see things through logic

But this entire realm, this universe is illogical.

Eh, the same way you did in the post I quoted?

I see my point went over your head. I took what you said and turned it against you in attempt to illustrate how childish our "discussion" became. It basically devolved into, "I'm right and you're wrong," so there was really no point in continuing it. It didn't help matters that we weren't even using the same definitions for the concept of Karma which makes a coherent discussion about it impossible.

I'm using the definition of the term as it is understood in the Eastern religious traditions from which it originated, while your definition seems to be influenced by some form of Judeo-Christian Spirituality.

I'm not going to even address those feelings-laced generalizations you made as they don't really apply to me.

No point went over my head. And you devolved it into "I'm right and you're wrong" scenario. I simply stated my beliefs. You the one that felt the need to "illustrate how childish our discussion became". Where did that happen? People have their beliefs and they defend them.

It doesn't take an extensive vocabulary or an education to realize that.

This is simple: people state their beliefs in God or maybe practice/belief system in a religion and you, along with others who view the world only from logical and proven facts standpoint, seek every way to denounce their beliefs while simultaneously attacking someone's intelligence.

That's what I don't like.

Everything you talk about concerning me reverts back to you...

Saying my belief is irrevelant

Stating you're not going to "address those feelings-laced generalizations" when you have done that in mostly every post addressed to someone who believes in karma.

There is a way to have a discussion with people without attacking the intelligence, as if that is a means for their creditability on the matter of the present discussion.

That's nothing more than arrogance.

Just to add, my definition is not crafted from Judeo-Christian spirituality. My beliefs come from experience, first hand.

 

[Doctopian]

No point went over my head.

We shall see...

And you devolved it into "I'm right and you're wrong" scenario. I simply stated my beliefs. You the one that felt the need to "illustrate how childish our discussion became". Where did that happen? People have their beliefs and they defend them.

Probably when you brought up Issac Newton and implied that it was absurd for a person to buy into his model of Physics while disregarding Karma as you define it.

This is simple: people state their beliefs in God or maybe practice/belief system in a religion and you, along with others who view the world only from logical and proven facts standpoint, seek every way to denounce their beliefs while simultaneously attacking someone's intelligence.

There in lies the problem, you equated Karma, Causality, and the Ethic of Reciprocity and stood by the assertion when those three things aren't the same in a technical sense. If that's your personal belief, fine, but don't expect to have a smooth conversation on the topic when you and the people you're talking to aren't even in the same chapter, let alone on the same page.

There you go with those generalizations again. My entire philosophical position is based on the absurdity of the universe and our individual struggles to find our place in it, so miss me with the strawman Atheist you created to argue against; I don't fit that mold.

And I never attacked anyone's intelligence. I merely called out faulty reasoning when I saw it.

That's what I don't like.

My job isn't to placate you, homie.

Everything you talk about concerning me reverts back to you...

No, it really can't. Are you confusing me with someone else?

Saying my belief is irrevelant

Apparently you did miss the point. That entire post was facetious, sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek. Again, I wanted to show you how ridiculous the post you directed at me was by making an equally ridiculous post that flipped your position.

Stating you're not going to "address those feelings-laced generalizations" when you have done that in mostly every post addressed to someone who believes in karma.

Again, you must have me confused with someone else. Point out where I made a feelings-laced generalization about anything in this thread.

There is a way to have a discussion with people without attacking the intelligence, as if that is a means for their creditability on the matter of the present discussion.

For the second time, I wasn't attacking anyone's intelligence. This is the way I type.

That's nothing more than arrogance.

This coming from the cat who said he wasn't of this world? Get the fuck outta here.

Just to add, my definition is not crafted from Judeo-Christian spirituality. My beliefs come from experience, first hand.

So your referencing the Bible and Satan in your posts aren't examples of Judeo-Christian influences?

 

[Dr.Chemix]

Lol!!!!! Wow, really?

Was it really that serious for you to put a tablet on the page? It's like I pulled your string and you're spinning like a top. And that's not arrogance right there either, that's just my observation on the matter.

But I will say it again. You have devolved the discussion. And for you it wasn't even a discussion. It was people with their silly ideas and beliefs that you sought to debunk. It's evident in your post.

No offense but this bores me and only serves to dull my intelligence. If we were having a discussion, it would serve to broaden my horizons. But what we have here is a clear case of "point vs point". Especially since you put that tablet up there with the break down of quotes...that's so kiddish. How long did it take you to do that, seriously?

And for the record, arrogance has nothing to do with knowledge of one self.