Do you agree with J. Cole about music sampling?

[Ear2DaSt]

Im glad it aint super easy plenty of sh*t still goin on even with the laws

You can make a unofficial freestyle mixtape slowed and chopped and profit straight out the trunk

You could make your buzz huge

I aint hatin just glad the law is where it's at to let everyone get money

without it I think it would take away competition whoever was hott would stay hott

diversified beats levels the playing field make them come original

 

[R2_163]

but who sets the price?

what if the someone says "you can sample a song but you got to give me 500 million"

 

[SneakDZA]

but who sets the price?

what if the someone says "you can sample a song but you got to give me 500 million"

Then you either pay up or don't sample it.

 

[Billy_Poncho]

I wouldn't want someone to make a mockery of my hard work, so in that sense I feel as if the artist should have some control

 

[5 Grand]

I disagree. The 10 Crack Commandments is a perfect example. Public Enemy tried to make uplifting music and Biggie sampled Chuck's voice for a song about making crack. Unfortunately, I don't think Chuck D owned the rights to the song. So it wasn't Chuck D suing Bad Boy, it was Def Jam suing Bad Boy.

Another issue I've always wondered about is when a DJ plays somebody's song at a party. The song has been released to the public and the DJ (presumably) bought the record or downloaded the song from iTunes. Does that DJ have the right to charge $$$ for gigs where he plays other people's music? What if the DJ charges $1,000 for a New Years Eve gig and plays Jay Z's music for a strait hour? Does Jay get any of that money? Does he deserve any of that money? What does the law say?

My guess is that since a DJ playing at a party is only a one time event and there's probably under 100 people at the gig it goes under the radar and unnoticed.

But I know when they play a song at a sporting event when there's 20,000 people in the arena the artist/publishing company gets paid something.

 

[Focal Point]

Where inspiration ends and sampling starts...

 

[SneakDZA]

I disagree. The 10 Crack Commandments is a perfect example. Public Enemy tried to make uplifting music and Biggie sampled Chuck's voice for a song about making crack. Unfortunately, I don't think Chuck D owned the rights to the song. So it wasn't Chuck D suing Bad Boy, it was Def Jam suing Bad Boy.

Another issue I've always wondered about is when a DJ plays somebody's song at a party. The song has been released to the public and the DJ (presumably) bought the record or downloaded the song from iTunes. Does that DJ have the right to charge $$$ for gigs where he plays other people's music? What if the DJ charges $1,000 for a New Years Eve gig and plays Jay Z's music for a strait hour? Does Jay get any of that money? Does he deserve any of that money? What does the law say?

My guess is that since a DJ playing at a party is only a one time event and there's probably under 100 people at the gig it goes under the radar and unnoticed.

But I know when they play a song at a sporting event when there's 20,000 people in the arena the artist/publishing company gets paid something.

In theory the dj is supposed to pay up which is ludicrous. There used to be this guy that would go around to bars in Brooklyn and if there was a dj he would take notes of the songs that got played and then send the bar a bill. Everyone knew the guy - i saw him once he was this old white guy that just didn't fit.

I think the angle was he would do it in bars that didn't have a jukebox to pressure them to get one since those have a surcharge for royalties and it's all mob run. So he would send those lists to ASCAP or BMI even though he didn't really work for them and they would send a bill that no one ever paid.

 

[aneed123]

originality done gone down the toilet

 

[Kwan Dai]

I agree. Especially in clear cases where the listener has no clue of the who the damn artists sampled is to begin with. The MC hammer can't touch this, Puff Daddy technique of making Hip Hop isn't sampling. Them niggas was doing cover songs.

 

[freshb651]

Make your own damn beats

 

[Kwan Dai]

I agree. Especially in clear cases where the listener has no clue of the who the damn artists sampled is to begin with. The MC hammer can't touch this, Puff Daddy technique of making Hip Hop isn't sampling. Them niggas was doing cover songs.

so....someone should agree to let you use their works if you obscure it enough to where a listener wouldnt know?

i dont get it.

Cole was probably pissed because one of his better songs was sampled and couldnt get the clearance.

Not so much because, it's obscure but more so because, it's now a new and different piece of work\art.

 

[5 Grand]

If you sample a hit from the 80s (Michael Jackson, Prince, Madonna) it should be a different law than sampling a rare jazz record from the 70s. Its really two different art forms.

Some of the stuff DJ Premiere, Pete Rock, RZA and QTip sampled in the mid 90s is damn near impossible to find and nobody was bumping it until it got sampled.

Its like that old Stetsasonic song, "Tell the truth James Brown was old/till Eric and Ra came out with I Got Soul"

 

[Stew]

If you sample a hit from the 80s (Michael Jackson, Prince, Madonna) it should be a different law than sampling a rare jazz record from the 70s. Its really two different art forms.

Some of the stuff DJ Premiere, Pete Rock, RZA and QTip sampled in the mid 90s is damn near impossible to find and nobody was bumping it until it got sampled.

Its like that old Stetsasonic song, "Tell the truth James Brown was old/till Eric and Ra came out with I Got Soul"

what?

if i own the obscure 70's jazz record and you sample me, first...imma decide if i want you sampling my shit. if so, you paying.

yall making it seem like its ok to steal shit as long as nobody knows the source.

the fuck

Thats how muhfuckas be catching these lawsuits 20 years later, eventually that record gets around to the rightful owner then boom, you in court patna.

 

[blackrain]

disagree.

i see what hes trying to say but nobody is entitled to use another person's work just because they put it into the world.

its all about ownership.

ehh, if you don't want anyone to use it keep it to yourself... cuz it will happen

people can make a parody of your work & put it out w/o your consent, protected by law

you think Mike would've cleared weird Al for this shit? Lol

Actually on Weird Al's Behind The Music he said MJ thought The parodies were funny

 

[smp4life]

I disagree. The 10 Crack Commandments is a perfect example. Public Enemy tried to make uplifting music and Biggie sampled Chuck's voice for a song about making crack. Unfortunately, I don't think Chuck D owned the rights to the song. So it wasn't Chuck D suing Bad Boy, it was Def Jam suing Bad Boy.

Another issue I've always wondered about is when a DJ plays somebody's song at a party. The song has been released to the public and the DJ (presumably) bought the record or downloaded the song from iTunes. Does that DJ have the right to charge $$$ for gigs where he plays other people's music? What if the DJ charges $1,000 for a New Years Eve gig and plays Jay Z's music for a strait hour? Does Jay get any of that money? Does he deserve any of that money? What does the law say?

My guess is that since a DJ playing at a party is only a one time event and there's probably under 100 people at the gig it goes under the radar and unnoticed.

But I know when they play a song at a sporting event when there's 20,000 people in the arena the artist/publishing company gets paid something.

In theory the dj is supposed to pay up which is ludicrous. There used to be this guy that would go around to bars in Brooklyn and if there was a dj he would take notes of the songs that got played and then send the bar a bill. Everyone knew the guy - i saw him once he was this old white guy that just didn't fit.

I think the angle was he would do it in bars that didn't have a jukebox to pressure them to get one since those have a surcharge for royalties and it's all mob run. So he would send those lists to ASCAP or BMI even though he didn't really work for them and they would send a bill that no one ever paid.

Yep, that's basically how it goes. Any establishment that spins music will get billed by ASCAP/BMI. That guy most likely did work for one of those orginizations.