Do u think obama will be re-elected?

[kingblaze84]

One of the main factors you could point to in Bush's re-election was that John Kerry was an exceptionally bad candidate. If Obama faces an exceptionally bad challenger like Bush did in 04, it certainly would help him.

Also, someone previously commented that all likely Republicans have polls showing that if the election were today, they could beat Obama. While that's mainly true, those numbers are misleading. There's an old saying that goes something like "A high profile candidate's best day on the campaign trail is the first day". What it means is that anyone with name recognition will have better numbers before the campaign actually gets underway. Let's take Palin as an example of this. The day she was announced as McCain's runningmate, polls showed that independents and Hillary supporters had surprisingly high opinions of her. After a couple weeks on the campaign trail, as the tough questions started getting asked, her approval shot way down. Now she's supposedly more popular, but let her get on the trail for 2012 and you better believe she's gonna face those same old problems. If you go back and look at what seasoned, rational analysts (as opposed to narrative driven pundits who just wanna hype up juicy stories) the consensus always was that Palin's high poll numbers would fall when people got to know about her. The same will happen for anyone else once they start running.

Solid points. I guess it's just too early to tell now, but your post is the reason why I think eventually, a newcomer will be the one to challenge Obama and beat him. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

The terrible economy is NOT helping Obama, and sadly, it doesn't look like it's gona pick up anytime soon. If things get any worse, I don't know how the hell Obama will win. At least the economy was in average to good shape when Bush was in office.....Obama does not have the same luxury.

It's not looking pretty for Obama..........

 

[earth two superman]

the election also is not gonna be anytime soon. 2 yrs is a lifetime in politics.

 

[kingblaze84]

^^^

Obama's support for overruling the Arizona law, his failure to have any new ideas to fix the economy, and the never ending war in Afghanistan will still bite Obama in the ass in 2 years.....whether he survives or not remains to be seen........

 

[shootemwon]

^^^

Obama's support for overruling the Arizona law, his failure to have any new ideas to fix the economy, and the never ending war in Afghanistan will still bite Obama in the ass in 2 years.....whether he survives or not remains to be seen........

Yeah, Obama's popularity 2 years from now can't really be predicted, which is the main reason why my first point was that no one can honestly tell you they know what's going to happen for sure and anyone who says otherwise is stupid or a liar.

But I do think it's fair to say that the idea of some yet-unknown phantom republican appearing and taking on Obama as the nominee is highly, highly unlikely. Only way I could see it would be if Palin decides not to run but instead plucks someone she likes up and puts all her support behind that campaign. But then again, even if she fancies herself a party elder, I think it's a bit soon for her to be trying that with the national ticket. It also hinges on the clout of the Tea Party crowd not only lasting, but increasing over the next few years, and it's my opinion that they've just about peaked already.

 

[earth two superman]

and isnt it very likely that the tea party will run its own candidate, splitting the right wing vote, and giving obama the victory?

 

[janklow]

and isnt it very likely that the tea party will run its own candidate, splitting the right wing vote, and giving obama the victory?

it's more likely that the Tea Party types will be split between whatever GOP candidate is out there and some much-more-conservative third party candidate, and then there will be this angry post-election debate about how that third party cost the Republicans the election

 

[Aquafinafloe]

lmaoooo omg...why do u guys do this that is funny!!!! leave him alone!

...this muh fucka tryin to make a smart thread now

 

[kingblaze84]

good post

and to reiterate a famous saying: it's the economy stupid.

^the jobs aren't coming back before the mid-term elections. but the economy will bounce back, albeit nowhere near previous levels. once the jobs start coming back in force, a lotta things people are holding against him will be forgiven or forgotten.

You're very optimistic on the economy bouncing back by 2011, despite no real ideas now to fix it.....I admire your positivity.

Not sure if positivity is a word though.

 

[shootemwon]

and isnt it very likely that the tea party will run its own candidate, splitting the right wing vote, and giving obama the victory?

If the Tea Party sticks around, the fear of that could certainly be present in the Republican primary, leading some party insiders to push for more right wing candidates. But at least this far, the Tea Party has content in hijacking the GOP rather than starting an actual political party. In American history, we've had groups like the Tea Party both on the left and their right, and their effect is to push the established parties away from moderate candidates and moderate policies. I think Obama would have been a better president so far if there was a group of unruly angry activists talking about starting their own 3rd party since the D's and R's are both too conservative, but alas, it's the other way around, and thus, Obama has been a worthless, spineless, piece of shit.

 

[shootemwon]

I've got history on my side. even under extenuating circumstances (which in this case would be the housing market's current state), the economy always bounces back. positively* always

*is a word

I'd imagine we'll see some improvement by 2012, but I wouldn't be shocked at all if we don't really see much of a difference. The fact that so many policy makers are shouting that we need to reduce the national debt (know-nothing economics) means that our own elected officials are diminishing the odds of a recovery any time soon. Obama's first big mistake was not spending enough money on stimulus. I do believe he realizes that looking back, but now he lacks the political capital to get the amount of money we need. The public is being fooled into thinking that debt and inflation are our biggest concerns when the lack of economic growth really means that deflation is a bigger threat, but I doubt these myths will be dispelled any time soon, so all we can do is cross our fingers and hope something else can restore confidence.

 

[earth two superman]

I'd imagine we'll see some improvement by 2012, but I wouldn't be shocked at all if we don't really see much of a difference. The fact that so many policy makers are shouting that we need to reduce the national debt (know-nothing economics) means that our own elected officials are diminishing the odds of a recovery any time soon. Obama's first big mistake was not spending enough money on stimulus. I do believe he realizes that looking back, but now he lacks the political capital to get the amount of money we need. The public is being fooled into thinking that debt and inflation are our biggest concerns when the lack of economic growth really means that deflation is a bigger threat, but I doubt these myths will be dispelled any time soon, so all we can do is cross our fingers and hope something else can restore confidence.

do you think it shouldve been 1 trillion +?

 

[shootemwon]

do you think it shouldve been 1 trillion +?

I'm not an economic expert, but unlike most of the deficit fanatics out there, I know that I'm not an economic expert, so I take the advice of those who are, which means I think it should have been somewhere in the area of 2.5-3 trillion.

 

[usmarin3]

He will get re-eclected, because the Republican party fucked up with the Arizona immigration issue. The latino vote is gonna swing towards the Democrats imo.

 

[shootemwon]

He will get re-eclected, because the Republican party fucked up with the Arizona immigration issue. The latino vote is gonna swing towards the Democrats imo.

oversimplification post

 

[usmarin3]

oversimplification post

How is it oversimplified, you don't think these Cubans,Dominicans,Mexicans, and Puerto Ricans aren't looking at how these Republicans are handling these immigration issues. I know they have traditionally vocated Republican, but this is an issue that strikes at the core of them.

 

[shootemwon]

How is it oversimplified, you don't think these Cubans,Dominicans,Mexicans, and Puerto Ricans aren't looking at how these Republicans are handling these immigration issues. I know they have traditionally vocated Republican, but this is an issue that strikes at the core of them.

The GOP is setting themselves up for trouble considering the growing hispanic population in this country. That alone isn't cause enough to conclude that Obama is a shoe-in for re-election in 2012.

 

[thesoulcontroller]

Of course he'll win. No other party has a strong enough candidate. Especially at Obama's current success rate, he'll win by another landslide.

McCain was just chum for the Obama machine. After he lists all of his accomplishments at the end of this term, there will be no comp.

 

[shootemwon]

as I'm sure you're already aware, Obama's already set up a bipartisan commission that's gonna look at the long-term effects of the debt, along with ways of managing it. I don't remember the name off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure the results will come in on December 1, 2010.

I'm sure there's gonna be plenty of backlash at that time, of course. but it WILL be after the mid-term elections, so...instead of different politicians trying to posture, maybe something'll get done. *not holding my breath here, lol

Thing is, he shouldn't be wasting his time and efforts trying to decrease debt right now. It's fucking stupid to be worried about debt with 10% unemployment. Get the economy moving again, THEN handle the debt. All he's doing with this debt commission nonsense is making things much worse.

 

[e london 50]

I'm collecting people's opinions on President Obama. Can any of you answer these questions on him?

http://www.stackway.com/search.php?search=barack obama&s=0&o=0

 

[shootemwon]

??? are u serious??

have u checked any of what's goin on in Europe lately?? the words "austerity measures" mean anything to u...yet? Greece, Italy, Ireland, European Union?? dude, there's entire countries that are bein choked due to debt right now...

we're in deep shit here. the US is. the debt's GOT TO come down...China already owns so much of this and so much of that...while we definitely need jobs in the States, Obama's the one callin the shots over here. he can try to make things happen and bring jobs back, but to just blow off the debt?? worry about it later?? that's what got us fucked in the first damn place yo...fact is, dude's bein proactive. the last president took a surplus and blew it in 2 wars in 8 years...the president before that got the US out of debt for the first time in a generation...the current president's tryna bring back jobs and at least address what the future holds...before the States have to deal with our own austerity measures.

Like I said,we deal with that as soon as we get economic growth back on track. Do you really think we're ever going to solve our long term debt problems with such a shitty economy? Where do you think revenue comes from? I don't know who's been brainwashing you with deficit hysteria "the sky is falling" propaganda, but it's not true. For the time being we can continue to borrow at good rates. It's true that in the long term we need to deal with debt, but we're never going to have the revenue to do that if we don't continue to spend in the short term.

What got us in trouble was blowing off the debt when we were in a good position to pay some of it down. Now we're not in that position, and we need to get back there to address the problem. This reactionary nonsense is simply bad economics.

Then again I guess it depends who you ask. Ask Nobel laureate and Princeton economics professor Paul Krugman,and I'm right. Ask the bobbleheads over at Fox News, and you're right.