Do moderate muslims speak out against some of the atrocities commited in their name?

[ThaChozenWun]

they speak out against terrorism all the time

but they ALWAYS preface or follow it by saying "but the US and the Jews are really to blame for it"

they will not just say "there are extremist muslims who murder people"

they will always say that any horrible thing done by a muslim is somehow the fault of either the US or the Jews

this is how they are raised to think

That is how they have to say it, although they all don't, but for your argument lets say they all do.

To a racist saying, "Yes their are extremist Muslims" instantly means all Muslims are bad and then they get thrown into the mix either way.

 

[And Step]

and by "establish community" you really mean "take over mecca, medina, everything in between, and as much of Arabia as possible in his lifetime, with the rest of the conquest to be carried out by his followers"

lol

you might as well say George Washington was just "establishing a community"

what a fucking liar you are

you'll tell any lie to defend your disgusting religion

First of all, I don't have a religion, in the classical sense, Shylock. Second your whole persona is a lie. You have no credibility, after crafting a so-called Jewish identity only to say you were lying. Then I caught you fabricating Quranic verses out of your ass because your a ghetto scholar who is only interested in trolling.

Your knowledge of any theology is rudimentary at best. Theology was my Major and still my passion. I do serious research, not that bullshit google shit you do. I probably know more about the Talmud that spawned you, than you do. Your religion is the most disgusting. You have no respect for anyone including yourself.

Keep running your mouth and I'm going to show these good folks why you think and respond like you do.

And to show you how stupid you are, GW had a whole army behind him. Muhammad started by himself after being run out of Mecca, he started a community in Medina away from persecution of his own tribe. They returned to Mecca after 10 years without a fight. That is why the tradition of no fighting, weapons, or any other disruptive behavior is not tolerated in Mecca, even the most hardened critics know this.

Your not qualified to speak on any issue that relates to this.

 

[And Step]

But you and me both know the fighting in the Quran and the attacks by groups like Al-Queda are different things. And terrorist don't have to be Muslim so that excuse wouldn't work with them. The entire US is a terrorist organization, Israel, Tim McVeigh, Some nigga that robs a bank and kills the teller, the KKK.

Man, I have been alot of places and most people on this Earth want the same thing, they just go about it in different ways. Them people just want to be left alone. I listen to dickheads like Ktulu, and I know damn well by his ignorant, uninformed responses, that he probably hasn't left his kiddie pool. People take whatever the media funnels into their brains and run with it. Americans are easily the most gullible and ignorant when it comes to international affairs. This nigga will have you believe that if you step foot in places like Saudi Arabia and your Christian they will chop your head off, when the fact is there thousands of European Christians who live and work there. My friends fathers runs a telecom company and had lived there for over 14 years. And he is a staunch Christian.

Turn the TV off, and explore from your own vantage point. Look at all angles and make an informed intelligent decision.

Anything less, is less than civilized...............and stupid.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Man, I have been alot of places and most people on this Earth want the same thing, they just go about it in different ways. Them people just want to be left alone. I listen to dickheads like Ktulu, and I know damn well by his ignorant, uninformed responses, that he probably hasn't left his kiddie pool. People take whatever the media funnels into their brains and run with it. Americans are easily the most gullible and ignorant when it comes to international affairs. This nigga will have you believe that if you step foot in places like Saudi Arabia and your Christian they will chop your head off, when the fact is there thousands of European Christians who live and work there. My friends fathers runs a telecom company and had lived there for over 14 years. And he is a staunch Christian.

Turn the TV off, and explore from your own vantage point. Look at all angles and make an informed intelligent decision.

Anything less, is less than civilized...............and stupid.

Nothing really in response to what I said lol. But yea, you do know that certain groups take their want for things too far and in some cases it is religious fanaticism. Bin Laden didn't want to be left alone, America cut a deal with him in the past then fucked him over and he wanted revenge, now certain groups are just on a power trip. Every religion has their own group of extremists. And yea, most peoples perceptions of the Middle East are wrong. Obvious in this thread by dumb ass niggas thinkin every Arab is Muslim. But when I played ball we had all types of people, Muslim, Christian, Jew, Atheist. We all got along fine, we went countries like Saudi, Jordan, Sudan, Egypt, etc... and played and never once had an issue. We had more issues in European countries than we did anywhere Islam is the dominant religion. The only place we have ever been denied access is Mecca. And that's fine if they want a secluded area strictly for Muslims.

 

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The only place we have ever been denied access is Mecca. And that's fine if they want a secluded area strictly for Muslims.

Even Muslims are limited to what they can take into those precincts. National Cultural Dress is forbidden. If you rocking FUBU or Sean John or they make you take dem shits off.

 

[playmaker88]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam

Trying to understand and comprehend what this religion is truly about I find myself more confused than before/ever - I'm done with it -----

Did you watch larry king last nite.. probably not the imam spoke..

 

[memphis]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam

Trying to understand and comprehend what this religion is truly about I find myself more confused than before/ever - I'm done with it -----

read the Qu'ran, that might shed some light. I'm sure ya could probably get it at one of those large bookstore chains. Or you could go to Gainesville on saturday and rescure one of the ones being burned

 

[memphis]

http://www.amazon.com/Islam-Dummies-Malcolm-Clark/dp/0764555030

You could read that, and no, I'm not insinuating anything