Do moderate muslims speak out against some of the atrocities commited in their name?

[ThaChozenWun]

There are alot of them. In "Where in the World Is Osama Bin Laden" you get to see what alot of Muslims really think of Americans. And that is that the good majority don't have an issue with us. And think going after Bin Laden was a good thing.

Now obviously in Iraq and Afghanistan that is going to be swayed by their houses laying in rubble, but Saudi, Pakistan, Iran, Kuwait, etc... they treated dude like one of them.

I'll post some videos up in here though outside of that in a little bit.

 

[memphis]

There are alot of them. In "Where in the World Is Osama Bin Laden" you get to see what alot of Muslims really think of Americans. And that is that the good majority don't have an issue with us. And think going after Bin Laden was a good thing.

Now obviously in Iraq and Afghanistan that is going to be swayed by their houses laying in rubble, but Saudi, Pakistan, Iran, Kuwait, etc... they treated dude like one of them.

I'll post some videos up in here though outside of that in a little bit.

cool, thanks.

Do you think I am right thoguh, that those who do speak out are denied a proper platform to so?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

cool, thanks.

Do you think I am right thoguh, that those who do speak out are denied a proper platform to so?

Which kind of platform though?

If it's a national platform where they can go all over Al Jazeera and say they're cool with us then naw, they are denied a national level of freedom to speak favorably about us from within certain countries. But American Muslims, European Muslims I don't think they are.

 

[memphis]

Which kind of platform though?

If it's a national platform where they can go all over Al Jazeera and say they're cool with us then naw, they are denied a national level of freedom to speak favorably about us from within certain countries. But American Muslims, European Muslims I don't think they are.

yeah, that kind of platform. Most of the intolerance we see is from MSM outlets

here is a good link, the kind of thing I was looking for

http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm

 

[ThaChozenWun]

yeah, that kind of platform. Most of the intolerance we see is from MSM outlets

here is a good link, the kind of thing I was looking for

http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm

There a few nationally televised outlets they could go on and say that. I don't think it's much worst than some American Stations. I don't know how familiar you are in Canada with FOX news but it's pretty much banned anything that it thinks promotes socialism ie, universal health care, free schooling, government funded jobs, anything not biased in regards to black people, anything pro-obama, anything un-christian like, anything denouncing every Muslim as the spawn of Satan.

Plus you have to remember who is funding the MSM outlets. Alot of the time it is people with corrupt ties or terror cell ties.

 

[memphis]

we get fox up here, I only watch the sitcoms on that station though and turn it off as soon as nightly news comes on

can you get Al-jazeera in the U.S

 

[ThaChozenWun]

BTW I looked a little bit on youtube, most of it was only beheadings or about Muslims in America. There was a couple I found from Saudi news networks supporting the US but it had no subtitles or anything.

Here is a link to watch the movie I was talking about. It gives you a very good description on how the average American thinks, and then how that thoughts is usually wrong in regards to their life, their thoughts, and how they feel.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/where-world-osama-bin-laden/

we get fox up here, I only watch the sitcoms on that station though and turn it off as soon as nightly news comes on

can you get Al-jazeera in the U.S

I don't think, at least not where I live. You can catch it online though.

 

[memphis]

cool man, thanks, I will watch it very soon.

yeah, I knew you could watch it online. I was wondering if there were lobbyist groups, I wont name names, that, like here in canada fought to prohibits its airing. They failed and it's available on almost all television service providers up here.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

cool man, thanks, I will watch it very soon.

yeah, I knew you could watch it online. I was wondering if there were lobbyist groups, I wont name names, that, like here in canada fought to prohibits its airing. They failed and it's available on almost all television service providers up here.

Oh no it aint in the US as far as I'm aware, our lobbyist have alot more control on our cultural availabilities.

 

[memphis]

Oh no it aint in the US as far as I'm aware, our lobbyist have alot more control on our cultural availabilities.

that's too bad. It would be good for peole to have an alternative voice.

I think it is important to have a balanced perspective from differen viewpoints on the happenings of the world. That's the beauty of the internet. You can go to cnn and then go to AJE and get a complete different take on things. Magazines are doing a great job providing new coverage to their readers as well. I frequent foreignpolicy.com very almost everyday.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

that's too bad. It would be good for peole to have an alternative voice.

I think it is important to have a balanced perspective from differen viewpoints on the happenings of the world. That's the beauty of the internet. You can go to cnn and then go to AJE and get a complete different take on things. Magazines are doing a great job providing new coverage to their readers as well. I frequent foreignpolicy.com very almost everyday.

Yea, ever since I started lookin on the internet for news, history, alternative views, etc.. and not the TV or people from my neighborhood my views on alot of things have changed.

 

[politicalthug202]

ok your a blk person on a hiphop board right. do you apologize for every murder done by blk hiphop youth. NO u dont

so should alll muslims apologize for terrorist attacks just because they sharre aspects of a certain culture with the attackers.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

ok your a blk person on a hiphop board right. do you apologize for every murder done by blk hiphop youth. NO u dont
so should alll muslims apologize for terrorist attacks just because they sharre aspects of a certain culture with the attackers.

No one said they should.

Just as your example and just as slavery what was done by those in the past is their responsibility and people of now should not have to bear the weight of someone elses actions.

 

[shootemwon]

The press is only interested in two kinds of Muslims. The first is terrorists and their supporters. The second is actually comprised primarily of former Muslims who converted, and now disparage the faith and the culture.

As far as Muslims who want peace and despise radical violence being committed in the name of Islam, but also won't apologize for their faith and won't accept charges of collective guilt....well they just don't make a good news story I guess.

The other day NPR was interviewing a young Palestinian man living in the Gaza Strip who had the courage to say "fuck both of them" referring to the violent attacks being carried out by both Palestinians and Israelis. He goes on to say that all he wants is a job so he can support a family and have children with a woman he loves. Yeah, it's a dumb dream, I know, but the point is that while NPR is providing an idea of what life is like for regular people in the Muslim world, the more mainstream sources are only focusing on radicalism and controversy.

Brings me back to a point I often make, which always holds true: The only agenda the mainstream media has is ratings, but it's an agenda malicious enough to shit all over any sense of integrity.

 

[And Step]

What is a moderate Muslim.

Don't know what that means. Haven't got a definition yet.

Haven't got one for Terrorist either. I remember former President Asad of Syria asked Clinton to define terrorist after Clinton ask for his help fighting terrorist, and Bill clammed up because if he would have gave the widely accepted definition, then Asad could have labeled the US a terrorist nation. That was one the only time I saw Clinton get sonned.

Besides, when white people from Europe on Westward begin speaking out and taking responsibility for things committed in their name, then maybe I will listen. A few suicide bombers every now and then is nothing compared to their track record, historically, past and present.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

What is a moderate Muslim.

Don't know what that means. Haven't got a definition yet.

Haven't got one for Terrorist either. I remember former President Asad of Syria asked Clinton to define terrorist after Clinton ask for his help fighting terrorist, and Bill clammed up because if he would have gave the widely accepted definition, then Asad could have labeled the US a terrorist nation. That was one the only time I saw Clinton get sonned.

A moderate Muslim is a Muslim who simply practices the Islamic faith and is a believer in Allah and Muhammad.

A terrorist is someone who advocates violence or threats toward a group with whom they disagree with or brings death upon those not involved with the intended target to send a message.

 

[And Step]

A moderate Muslim is a Muslim who simply practices the Islamic faith and is a believer in Allah and Muhammad.

A terrorist is someone who advocates violence or threats toward a group with whom they disagree with or brings death upon those not involved with the intended target to send a message.

Ok, but the faith advocates violence in some instances. Matter of fact, the Quran says fighting is inevitable because some will not leave you alone even unto death. Muhammad fought. He didn't start out fighting but when he was trying to establish a community, many came against him and they had to fight. Although it forbids aggression it doesn't forbid fighting.

And quite frankly, It just strikes me as amazing, when white people asks some group to speak out or take collective responsibility. Seriously, they have no moral standing to even suggest such a thing. None whatsoever.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

they speak out against terrorism all the time

but they ALWAYS preface or follow it by saying "but the US and the Jews are really to blame for it"

they will not just say "there are extremist muslims who murder people"

they will always say that any horrible thing done by a muslim is somehow the fault of either the US or the Jews

this is how they are raised to think

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Ok, but the faith advocates violence in some instances. Matter of fact, the Quran says fighting is inevitable because some will not leave you alone even unto death. Muhammad fought. He didn't start out fighting but when he was trying to establish a community, many came against him and they had to fight. Although it forbids aggression it doesn't forbid fighting.

But you and me both know the fighting in the Quran and the attacks by groups like Al-Queda are different things. And terrorist don't have to be Muslim so that excuse wouldn't work with them. The entire US is a terrorist organization, Israel, Tim McVeigh, Some nigga that robs a bank and kills the teller, the KKK.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Muhammad fought. He didn't start out fighting but when he was trying to establish a community, many came against him and they had to fight.

and by "establish community" you really mean "take over mecca, medina, everything in between, and as much of Arabia as possible in his lifetime, with the rest of the conquest to be carried out by his followers"

lol

you might as well say George Washington was just "establishing a community"

what a fucking liar you are

you'll tell any lie to defend your disgusting religion