Different types of "Nice Guys"..read this interesting post (a lil long)

[Yung_Souf_Money]

women dont want a nice guy,they want some nice dick

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I've already named so many in previous posts, it's really pointless. I'll just say that women want equality but expect preferential treatment.

I'll be waiting for a woman to dispute this fact

 

[Fooley]

Dissapointed yet again :/

To be honest, it was pointless to start the convo, if you knew you weren't actually interested in talking about it. Might as-well have saved your fingers the time and energy.

damn, you trying to lil boy a nigga? Ok I'll make a comprehensive list. Women don't want to be thought of as maids/housewives but yet expect a man to provide and take care of them. They claim to be independent but yet expect a man to pay for dates and the whole nine. They expect men to be chivalrous but preach equality. Not to mention the countless injustices in the court system(custody, divorce). It all stems back to them wanting preferential treatment but constantly parroting this concept of equality. All those privileges were the result of gender stereotypes and women being treated as property of men. Either you want equality or you don't.

 

[kAjUn]

different strokes to different folks really

females call me an asshole because off my slick mouth and sense of humor

but at the sametime that's appealing to most women cause they say assholes are fun to be around cause their funny

and one of the best qualities i learned for man to have to a woman is to be able to make her laugh

 

[rico_ENS]

damn that nigga fooley came n shut the thread down with that preferential treatment line.. i aint see one female argue that shit yet....

btw if thats really u kat ill smash... how that ass lookin tho n while u lookin back there get me somethin to eat..baby

 

[Fooley]

(Warning: Titangraph ^_^ For everyone else; either read or don't read. Please don't complain. Kthanxbye)

^_^ Thanks for humoring me. And no, not trying to 'lil boy' you. I was genuinely interested if having this convo.

Generally speaking, there's hypocrisy on both sides. Men want women to portray the 'traditional' submissive house-wife. Yet pull the full work-load that was once their sole responsibility. I wont deny that there are those who want to have their cake and eat it too, but I dont think you or anyone else can deny that both genders are guilty of that. Women now (and I mean the non-crazies), don't actually have the exact same tradition based expectations that you said. Where once a man paid for everything, things are now reciprocal. And you can clearly see that reflected in the expectations men have now that didn't exist 40 years ago. For example, how many men would actually entertain dating a girl who expected, and insisted, that he pay for every date? And how many relationships are actually founded on that type of courtship? Very, very few.

The idea of chivalry is dying. But the fundamental idea that men should be gentlemanly, is coexisting with the idea that many men have, that women should cater to them. And from what I can see, the latter expectation is much stronger then the former. And when not provided with it, men tend to be more upset then a woman who boyfriend isn't the most chivalrous man alive.

As far as the courts are concerned. The reverse heavy-handedness exists because of outdated laws, that are the remaining fossils of a time when women desperately needed those protections. Are they still needed to the same degree now? No. However, the simple fact remains that most congress-men, judges and other law makers are men. It's time to start adjusting the laws to reflect current times, however, women aren't primarily responsible for the length of time it's taking for that to happen. The courts are not abused as widely as they are perceived to be. Most men are not and never will be in the position that Micheal Jordan/Tiger Woods are/was in, and the perception that men have of those wives shouldn't be pushed onto all other women. Especially considering that the vast majority of women don't seek alimony or go to court for child support. The large sums given, only happen in specific circumstances. Most ex-couples deal with things the painful, drawn-out, non-court-involved way.

Lastly, we're still in a transition period. For millenia, the rights and freedoms of women were extremely limited, and only in a few societies in certain points in history did they have similar opportunities that we do now. The mentality that was pushed for so long by a male dominated society, that we are meant to rely on men for everything because we are incapable of doing anything for ourselves still has a strong aftereffect. It won't dissipate immediately, but that doesn't mean that every woman alive is the absolute hypocrite you describe. Considering where womanhood was only 60 years ago, we've made giant strides. And will continue too. And sooner rather than later we'll move closer to actual equality.

Which for any real feminist only means equal opportunity. Since no two people are the same. By the way, women are still paid less for the same work, under the same circumstances, then men are. They still face discrimination when it comes to upward mobility in the corporate world. They still have to face the challenges of being expected to take on the majority of household duties, while working the same hours outside of their home as their husband, and still somehow have the time and energy to cater to him. It's not exactly smelling like roses on our side of the fence either.

But you can't say men are hypocritical because they weren't the ones who started this equality movement, women did. They are going with the times because this is how it is now. If men always wanted it to be that way(women to be submissive), it's not hypocrisy. It is women who don't want equality all around but instead only in situations that benefit them. They don't want to be submissive, but want a man to provide for them. They want to be able to hit men, but men shouldn't hit back. They want to be considered equal, but not when it comes to parenting(they think women should have custody instead of men). They want to be treated with respect, but don't reciprocate it. A man should do all the hard household labor(mowing the lawn, fixing utilities, etc.) but they shouldn't have to be in the kitchen. Also, ladies still constantly try to tell men what a "real" man is. They continue to try and define the role of a man but yet they don't want to be defined themselves. You can't deny that women want men to provide for them.They expect the man to have a higher income than them. That in itself is hypocritical, because they expect equal pay but then want a man who makes more than them. Women also expect men to cater to them. Anniversaries, Valentines Day, Marriage(wedding ring) and the and men have to buy gifts(Chivalry). Also, if women were such big advocates of equality, why aren't they in the streets protesting like they once were? It's because they like being in a position that's beneficial to them. Women get custody 80% of the time so yes there is a big discrepancy and obvious discrimination based on gender. You can't go from one extreme to another extreme, that's illogical. Men were automatically given custody in previous times, and now generally women are given that privilege.

Also, men do want to be gentlemanly, but they don't want to be gentlemanly if you don't want to be submissive. Women expect chivalry and a provider, but don't want to be a submissive partner. That's not an equal trade off. Women are the one's who want it to be an equal partnership but have all these qualifications a man has to meet.

 

[Fooley]

What do you have against the letter 'Y'?

My s/n is Ka'Y'

And Fooley, if you'll bear with me, I'm in the middle of my peace studies class. I shall return with (probably another) titangraph of my own.

yeah, cool.

 

[digitalgrl87]

But you can't say men are hypocritical because they weren't the ones who started this equality movement, women did. They are going with the times because this is how it is now. If men always wanted it to be that way(women to be submissive), it's not hypocrisy. It is women who don't want equality all around but instead only in situations that benefit them. They don't want to be submissive, but want a man to provide for them. They want to be able to hit men, but men shouldn't hit back. They want to be considered equal, but not when it comes to parenting(they think women should have custody instead of men). They want to be treated with respect, but don't reciprocate it. A man should do all the hard household labor(mowing the lawn, fixing utilities, etc.) but they shouldn't have to be in the kitchen. Also, ladies still constantly try to tell men what a "real" man is. They continue to try and define the role of a man but yet they don't want to be defined themselves. You can't deny that women want men to provide for them.They expect the man to have a higher income than them. That in itself is hypocritical, because they expect equal pay but then want a man who makes more than them. Women also expect men to cater to them. Anniversaries, Valentines Day, Marriage(wedding ring) and the and men have to buy gifts(Chivalry). Also, if women were such big advocates of equality, why aren't they in the streets protesting like they once were? It's because they like being in a position that's beneficial to them. Women get custody 80% of the time so yes there is a big discrepancy and obvious discrimination based on gender. You can't go from one extreme to another extreme, that's illogical. Men were automatically given custody in previous times, and now generally women are given that privilege.

Also, men do want to be gentlemanly, but they don't want to be gentlemanly if you don't want to be submissive. Women expect chivalry and a provider, but don't want to be a submissive partner. That's not an equal trade off. Women are the one's who want it to be an equal partnership but have all these qualifications a man has to meet.

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while you do make some good points....the traditional gender roles we know today are more than anything a social construct born of a misogynistic society ... the feminist movement was a response to this and the injustices women, such as not being able to vote, faced only two, three generations ago....while some women do abuse this new found "power" we posses, men cannot complain about the lack of traditional women yet protest the current divorce, custody laws ( even though they are outdated)...gender roles created this inequality... traditionally women are thought to be the primary care givers of children so they are almost always awarded custody and the man whose traditionally thought of as the provider has to pay child support or alimony...gender roles and misogyny is a double edged sword, no gender wins in the end

 

[Fooley]

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while you do make some good points....the traditional gender roles we know today are more than anything a social construct born of a misogynistic society ... the feminist movement was a response to this and the injustices women, such as not being able to vote, faced only two, three generations ago....while some women do abuse this new found "power" we posses, men cannot complain about the lack of traditional women yet protest the current divorce, custody laws ( even though they are outdated)...gender roles created this inequality... traditionally women are thought to be the primary care givers of children so they are almost always awarded custody and the man whose traditionally thought of as the provider has to pay child support or alimony...gender roles and misogyny is a double edged sword, no gender wins in the end

but traditionally men were ALWAYS given custody. You should know this though. Men always received custody of children and when they died they could defer custody to someone other than their wife. I don't think you want to go the traditional route.

 

[digitalgrl87]

but traditionally men were ALWAYS given custody. You should know this though. Men always received custody of children and when they died they could defer custody to someone other than their wife. I don't think you want to go the traditional route.

ok...but that was an injustice born of misogyny....what i was getting at is that a male dominated society created the traditional gender roles we know today which in essence is partly to blame for the divorce/custody/ domestic violence laws

 

[simplyspeaking]

hey makaveli03, that whole article is

TRUTH.com

TRUTH.gov

TRUTH.org

TRUTH.edu ! ! !

and the majority of the men in this forum who display a strong dislike for women probably played this role.

 

[Fooley]

ok...but that was an injustice born of misogyny....what i was getting at is that a male dominated society created the traditional gender roles we know today which in essence is partly to blame for the divorce/custody/ domestic violence laws

they also thought women were highly illogical and unstable. They thought a woman would never be able to provide for children, which would therefore lead to their death. So they gave men custody. My point is women are perpetuating an outdated gender role onto men. The same gender roles they claimed to despise.

 

[Fooley]

hey makaveli03, that whole article is

TRUTH.com

TRUTH.gov

TRUTH.org

TRUTH.edu ! ! !

and the majority of the men in this forum who display a strong dislike for women probably played this role.

it might be truth, but women are still dumb. Would you rather the guy who would do anything for you and to please you or the bad boy who will more than likely fuck over you? And isn't that the whole ideal of courting anyway? bitches stupid.

 

[digitalgrl87]

they also thought women were highly illogical and unstable. They thought a woman would never be able to provide for children, which would therefore lead to their death. So they gave men custody. My point is women are perpetuating an outdated gender role onto men. The same gender roles they claimed to despise.

ok...but how can men defend gender roles yet complain about the laws they spawned?

 

[Fooley]

ok...but how can men defend gender roles yet complain about the laws they spawned?

gender roles didn't spawn these laws. So called "equality" spawned these laws.

 

[sdrawkcabseh]

gender roles didn't spawn these laws. So called "equality" spawned these laws.

Co-sign. In the push for equality, this country had made women its god. And the nice guy getting leftovers theme is so oversaturated in this dumbed down culture, it's downright ridiculous. For example, all those shows about the "nice" guy( I really hate that word), finally getting the chick that rejected him from the stories beginning is so played, because it promulgates the belief that a man has to "prove" himself to a woman. A man was never meant to do that.

This is the reason why a lot of women don't know what a real man is/try to make a man fit their definition of what a man is....................................

 

[digitalgrl87]

gender roles didn't spawn these laws. So called "equality" spawned these laws.

no....without gender roles these laws would've never have been needed back when they were first adopted ...

 

[Fooley]

no....without gender roles these laws would've never have been needed back when they were first adopted ...

No, without trying to overcompensate and put the pussy on a pedestal those laws wouldn't have been needed. Women were not crying for equality, they wanted a position of power and they got it.

 

[simplyspeaking]

it might be truth, but women are still dumb. Would you rather the guy who would do anything for you and to please you or the bad boy who will more than likely fuck over you? And isn't that the whole ideal of courting anyway? bitches stupid.

i'd prefer the other nice guy the author of this article wrote about.

but as always, it's either a thug or the opposite, never a middle man with you all.

=)

 

[makaveli03]

i'd prefer the other nice guy the author of this article wrote about.

but as always, it's either a thug or the opposite, never a middle man with you all.

=)

the middle man is usually the "brother...best guy friend" you have