Did the book of Exodus really happen?

[vitoria]

Why is there no proof of the supposed plagues, a parted Red Sea, Jewish slaves in Egypt, Moses, etc?

Why does the bible mention Egyptian cities that didn't even exist at the same time?

How could thousands of people live wandering through a desert for 40 years?

Somebody get in here and make up an excuse for this imaginary tale.

At the time the Egyptians worshiped many Gods. So to bring an answer to them by means of the plagues that he visited upon the Egyptians, Jehovah humiliated and executed judgment upon their gods. The first plague, the turning of the Nile and all the waters of Egypt into blood, brought disgrace to the Nile-god Hapi. The death of the fish in the Nile was also a blow to Egypt’s religion, for certain kinds of fish were actually venerated and even mummified. (Ex 7:19-21) The frog, regarded as a symbol of fertility and the Egyptian concept of resurrection, was considered sacred to the frog-goddess Heqt. Hence, the plague of frogs brought disgrace to this goddess. (Ex 8:5-14) The third plague saw the magic-practicing priests acknowledging defeat when they proved to be unable by means of their secret arts to turn dust into gnats. (Ex 8:16-19) The god Thoth was credited with the invention of magic or secret arts, but even this god could not help the magic-practicing priests to duplicate the third plague.

The line of demarcation between the Egyptians and the worshipers of the true God came to be sharply drawn from the fourth plague onward. While swarms of gadflies invaded the homes of the Egyptians, the Israelites in the land of Goshen were not affected. (Ex 8:23, 24) The next plague, the pestilence upon the livestock, humiliated such deities as the cow-goddess Hathor, Apis, and the sky-goddess Nut, who was conceived of as a cow having the stars affixed to her belly. (Ex 9:1-6) The plague of boils brought disgrace to the gods and goddesses regarded as possessing healing abilities, such as Thoth, Isis, and Ptah. (Ex 9:8-11) The severe hailstorm put to shame the gods who were considered to have control of the natural elements; for example, Reshpu, who, it appears, was believed to control lightning, and Thoth, who was said to have power over the rain and thunder. (Ex 9:22-26) The locust plague spelled defeat for the gods thought to ensure a bountiful harvest, one of these being the fertility god Min, who was viewed as a protector of the crops. (Ex 10:12-15) Among the deities disgraced by the plague of darkness were sun-gods, such as Ra and Horus, and also Thoth the god of the moon and believed to be the systematizer of sun, moon, and stars.—Ex 10:21-23.

The death of the firstborn resulted in the greatest humiliation for the Egyptian gods and goddesses. (Ex 12:12) The rulers of Egypt actually styled themselves as gods, the sons of Ra, or Amon-Ra. It was claimed that Ra, or Amon-Ra, had intercourse with the queen. The son born was, therefore, viewed as a god incarnate and was dedicated to Ra, or Amon-Ra, at his temple. Hence, the death of Pharaoh’s firstborn, in effect, actually meant the death of a god. (Ex 12:29) This in itself would have been a severe blow to Egypt’s religion, and the complete impotence of all the deities was manifested in their being unable to save the firstborn of the Egyptians from death.

 

[Ajackson17]

Pretty much talking Shit about concepts spirituality they know nothing about despite living there.

 

[kingblaze84]

YAH don't deal with weak men, gird your loins, yeah he is an elohim of War and the Torah is half Art of War to deal with heathens like yall

Oh please, the lazy, impotent Christian god ain't doing shit. The Christians in Syria are still being beheaded, and in Iraq Christian women are being sold off as sex slaves on a daily basis. Some Iraqi Christians even say ISIS is running trains on them in front of their husbands and kids. Your Bible god ain't doing shit, he's either lazy as fuck or dead. I say it never existed. The Spaghetti Pasta Monster God has a better chance of doing something, it didn't talk mad shit and not do nothing for 2000 plus years now.

 

[kingblaze84]

Why is there no proof of the supposed plagues, a parted Red Sea, Jewish slaves in Egypt, Moses, etc?

Why does the bible mention Egyptian cities that didn't even exist at the same time?

How could thousands of people live wandering through a desert for 40 years?

Somebody get in here and make up an excuse for this imaginary tale.

At the time the Egyptians worshiped many Gods. So to bring an answer to them by means of the plagues that he visited upon the Egyptians, Jehovah humiliated and executed judgment upon their gods. The first plague, the turning of the Nile and all the waters of Egypt into blood, brought disgrace to the Nile-god Hapi. The death of the fish in the Nile was also a blow to Egypt’s religion, for certain kinds of fish were actually venerated and even mummified. (Ex 7:19-21) The frog, regarded as a symbol of fertility and the Egyptian concept of resurrection, was considered sacred to the frog-goddess Heqt. Hence, the plague of frogs brought disgrace to this goddess. (Ex 8:5-14) The third plague saw the magic-practicing priests acknowledging defeat when they proved to be unable by means of their secret arts to turn dust into gnats. (Ex 8:16-19) The god Thoth was credited with the invention of magic or secret arts, but even this god could not help the magic-practicing priests to duplicate the third plague.

The line of demarcation between the Egyptians and the worshipers of the true God came to be sharply drawn from the fourth plague onward. While swarms of gadflies invaded the homes of the Egyptians, the Israelites in the land of Goshen were not affected. (Ex 8:23, 24) The next plague, the pestilence upon the livestock, humiliated such deities as the cow-goddess Hathor, Apis, and the sky-goddess Nut, who was conceived of as a cow having the stars affixed to her belly. (Ex 9:1-6) The plague of boils brought disgrace to the gods and goddesses regarded as possessing healing abilities, such as Thoth, Isis, and Ptah. (Ex 9:8-11) The severe hailstorm put to shame the gods who were considered to have control of the natural elements; for example, Reshpu, who, it appears, was believed to control lightning, and Thoth, who was said to have power over the rain and thunder. (Ex 9:22-26) The locust plague spelled defeat for the gods thought to ensure a bountiful harvest, one of these being the fertility god Min, who was viewed as a protector of the crops. (Ex 10:12-15) Among the deities disgraced by the plague of darkness were sun-gods, such as Ra and Horus, and also Thoth the god of the moon and believed to be the systematizer of sun, moon, and stars.—Ex 10:21-23.

The death of the firstborn resulted in the greatest humiliation for the Egyptian gods and goddesses. (Ex 12:12) The rulers of Egypt actually styled themselves as gods, the sons of Ra, or Amon-Ra. It was claimed that Ra, or Amon-Ra, had intercourse with the queen. The son born was, therefore, viewed as a god incarnate and was dedicated to Ra, or Amon-Ra, at his temple. Hence, the death of Pharaoh’s firstborn, in effect, actually meant the death of a god. (Ex 12:29) This in itself would have been a severe blow to Egypt’s religion, and the complete impotence of all the deities was manifested in their being unable to save the firstborn of the Egyptians from death.

Fascinating stuff. So all the stuff going on in the Middle East must mean the certain death and humiliation of the Christian god then. After all, most Christians have been chased out of the Holy Land, and they're being humiliated, raped and murdered up and down the Middle East on a daily basis now. I guess the other gods got their payback on the Bible god? After all, the Bible god is impotent as hell when it comes to how his followers are being sonned on the daily there now.

 

[zombie]

Why is there no proof of the supposed plagues, a parted Red Sea, Jewish slaves in Egypt, Moses, etc?

Why does the bible mention Egyptian cities that didn't even exist at the same time?

How could thousands of people live wandering through a desert for 40 years?

Somebody get in here and make up an excuse for this imaginary tale.

At the time the Egyptians worshiped many Gods. So to bring an answer to them by means of the plagues that he visited upon the Egyptians, Jehovah humiliated and executed judgment upon their gods. The first plague, the turning of the Nile and all the waters of Egypt into blood, brought disgrace to the Nile-god Hapi. The death of the fish in the Nile was also a blow to Egypt’s religion, for certain kinds of fish were actually venerated and even mummified. (Ex 7:19-21) The frog, regarded as a symbol of fertility and the Egyptian concept of resurrection, was considered sacred to the frog-goddess Heqt. Hence, the plague of frogs brought disgrace to this goddess. (Ex 8:5-14) The third plague saw the magic-practicing priests acknowledging defeat when they proved to be unable by means of their secret arts to turn dust into gnats. (Ex 8:16-19) The god Thoth was credited with the invention of magic or secret arts, but even this god could not help the magic-practicing priests to duplicate the third plague.

The line of demarcation between the Egyptians and the worshipers of the true God came to be sharply drawn from the fourth plague onward. While swarms of gadflies invaded the homes of the Egyptians, the Israelites in the land of Goshen were not affected. (Ex 8:23, 24) The next plague, the pestilence upon the livestock, humiliated such deities as the cow-goddess Hathor, Apis, and the sky-goddess Nut, who was conceived of as a cow having the stars affixed to her belly. (Ex 9:1-6) The plague of boils brought disgrace to the gods and goddesses regarded as possessing healing abilities, such as Thoth, Isis, and Ptah. (Ex 9:8-11) The severe hailstorm put to shame the gods who were considered to have control of the natural elements; for example, Reshpu, who, it appears, was believed to control lightning, and Thoth, who was said to have power over the rain and thunder. (Ex 9:22-26) The locust plague spelled defeat for the gods thought to ensure a bountiful harvest, one of these being the fertility god Min, who was viewed as a protector of the crops. (Ex 10:12-15) Among the deities disgraced by the plague of darkness were sun-gods, such as Ra and Horus, and also Thoth the god of the moon and believed to be the systematizer of sun, moon, and stars.—Ex 10:21-23.

The death of the firstborn resulted in the greatest humiliation for the Egyptian gods and goddesses. (Ex 12:12) The rulers of Egypt actually styled themselves as gods, the sons of Ra, or Amon-Ra. It was claimed that Ra, or Amon-Ra, had intercourse with the queen. The son born was, therefore, viewed as a god incarnate and was dedicated to Ra, or Amon-Ra, at his temple. Hence, the death of Pharaoh’s firstborn, in effect, actually meant the death of a god. (Ex 12:29) This in itself would have been a severe blow to Egypt’s religion, and the complete impotence of all the deities was manifested in their being unable to save the firstborn of the Egyptians from death.

Fascinating stuff. So all the stuff going on in the Middle East must mean the certain death and humiliation of the Christian god then. After all, most Christians have been chased out of the Holy Land, and they're being humiliated, raped and murdered up and down the Middle East on a daily basis now. I guess the other gods got their payback on the Bible god? After all, the Bible god is impotent as hell when it comes to how his followers are being sonned on the daily there now.

What a dumb ass. believers of the christian god are taught to die for their faith all this has been prophesied. the story is not over there are millions of christians in the world and israel still exist

 

[Lab Baby]

God gon come down here and go SSJ2 Gohan on niggas, watch.

 

[kingblaze84]

Why is there no proof of the supposed plagues, a parted Red Sea, Jewish slaves in Egypt, Moses, etc?

Why does the bible mention Egyptian cities that didn't even exist at the same time?

How could thousands of people live wandering through a desert for 40 years?

Somebody get in here and make up an excuse for this imaginary tale.

At the time the Egyptians worshiped many Gods. So to bring an answer to them by means of the plagues that he visited upon the Egyptians, Jehovah humiliated and executed judgment upon their gods. The first plague, the turning of the Nile and all the waters of Egypt into blood, brought disgrace to the Nile-god Hapi. The death of the fish in the Nile was also a blow to Egypt’s religion, for certain kinds of fish were actually venerated and even mummified. (Ex 7:19-21) The frog, regarded as a symbol of fertility and the Egyptian concept of resurrection, was considered sacred to the frog-goddess Heqt. Hence, the plague of frogs brought disgrace to this goddess. (Ex 8:5-14) The third plague saw the magic-practicing priests acknowledging defeat when they proved to be unable by means of their secret arts to turn dust into gnats. (Ex 8:16-19) The god Thoth was credited with the invention of magic or secret arts, but even this god could not help the magic-practicing priests to duplicate the third plague.

The line of demarcation between the Egyptians and the worshipers of the true God came to be sharply drawn from the fourth plague onward. While swarms of gadflies invaded the homes of the Egyptians, the Israelites in the land of Goshen were not affected. (Ex 8:23, 24) The next plague, the pestilence upon the livestock, humiliated such deities as the cow-goddess Hathor, Apis, and the sky-goddess Nut, who was conceived of as a cow having the stars affixed to her belly. (Ex 9:1-6) The plague of boils brought disgrace to the gods and goddesses regarded as possessing healing abilities, such as Thoth, Isis, and Ptah. (Ex 9:8-11) The severe hailstorm put to shame the gods who were considered to have control of the natural elements; for example, Reshpu, who, it appears, was believed to control lightning, and Thoth, who was said to have power over the rain and thunder. (Ex 9:22-26) The locust plague spelled defeat for the gods thought to ensure a bountiful harvest, one of these being the fertility god Min, who was viewed as a protector of the crops. (Ex 10:12-15) Among the deities disgraced by the plague of darkness were sun-gods, such as Ra and Horus, and also Thoth the god of the moon and believed to be the systematizer of sun, moon, and stars.—Ex 10:21-23.

The death of the firstborn resulted in the greatest humiliation for the Egyptian gods and goddesses. (Ex 12:12) The rulers of Egypt actually styled themselves as gods, the sons of Ra, or Amon-Ra. It was claimed that Ra, or Amon-Ra, had intercourse with the queen. The son born was, therefore, viewed as a god incarnate and was dedicated to Ra, or Amon-Ra, at his temple. Hence, the death of Pharaoh’s firstborn, in effect, actually meant the death of a god. (Ex 12:29) This in itself would have been a severe blow to Egypt’s religion, and the complete impotence of all the deities was manifested in their being unable to save the firstborn of the Egyptians from death.

Fascinating stuff. So all the stuff going on in the Middle East must mean the certain death and humiliation of the Christian god then. After all, most Christians have been chased out of the Holy Land, and they're being humiliated, raped and murdered up and down the Middle East on a daily basis now. I guess the other gods got their payback on the Bible god? After all, the Bible god is impotent as hell when it comes to how his followers are being sonned on the daily there now.

What a dumb ass. believers of the christian god are taught to die for their faith all this has been prophesied. the story is not over there are millions of christians in the world and israel still exist

Stop lying you fucking idiot. One minute the Bible god is a war god, like you claimed before, now the next he's some meek motherfucker that wants his followers to die a martyr death. Which one is it dum dum? If it's both then the Bible god is more sadistic then even I thought it was. The Bible god WANTS his followers to be raped and beheaded on a daily basis now? Wow, how sad and pathetic.

 

[kingblaze84]

God gon come down here and go SSJ2 Gohan on niggas, watch.

Why would god do that now....? Why didn't this god do shit when Blacks were going through the Atlantic Trans Slave Trade? Or when Franciso Pizarro or Hernando Cortes were out there acting a fool all over Mexico and South America?

Why would this god do anything now? Lol

 

[zombie]

Why is there no proof of the supposed plagues, a parted Red Sea, Jewish slaves in Egypt, Moses, etc?

Why does the bible mention Egyptian cities that didn't even exist at the same time?

How could thousands of people live wandering through a desert for 40 years?

Somebody get in here and make up an excuse for this imaginary tale.

At the time the Egyptians worshiped many Gods. So to bring an answer to them by means of the plagues that he visited upon the Egyptians, Jehovah humiliated and executed judgment upon their gods. The first plague, the turning of the Nile and all the waters of Egypt into blood, brought disgrace to the Nile-god Hapi. The death of the fish in the Nile was also a blow to Egypt’s religion, for certain kinds of fish were actually venerated and even mummified. (Ex 7:19-21) The frog, regarded as a symbol of fertility and the Egyptian concept of resurrection, was considered sacred to the frog-goddess Heqt. Hence, the plague of frogs brought disgrace to this goddess. (Ex 8:5-14) The third plague saw the magic-practicing priests acknowledging defeat when they proved to be unable by means of their secret arts to turn dust into gnats. (Ex 8:16-19) The god Thoth was credited with the invention of magic or secret arts, but even this god could not help the magic-practicing priests to duplicate the third plague.

The line of demarcation between the Egyptians and the worshipers of the true God came to be sharply drawn from the fourth plague onward. While swarms of gadflies invaded the homes of the Egyptians, the Israelites in the land of Goshen were not affected. (Ex 8:23, 24) The next plague, the pestilence upon the livestock, humiliated such deities as the cow-goddess Hathor, Apis, and the sky-goddess Nut, who was conceived of as a cow having the stars affixed to her belly. (Ex 9:1-6) The plague of boils brought disgrace to the gods and goddesses regarded as possessing healing abilities, such as Thoth, Isis, and Ptah. (Ex 9:8-11) The severe hailstorm put to shame the gods who were considered to have control of the natural elements; for example, Reshpu, who, it appears, was believed to control lightning, and Thoth, who was said to have power over the rain and thunder. (Ex 9:22-26) The locust plague spelled defeat for the gods thought to ensure a bountiful harvest, one of these being the fertility god Min, who was viewed as a protector of the crops. (Ex 10:12-15) Among the deities disgraced by the plague of darkness were sun-gods, such as Ra and Horus, and also Thoth the god of the moon and believed to be the systematizer of sun, moon, and stars.—Ex 10:21-23.

The death of the firstborn resulted in the greatest humiliation for the Egyptian gods and goddesses. (Ex 12:12) The rulers of Egypt actually styled themselves as gods, the sons of Ra, or Amon-Ra. It was claimed that Ra, or Amon-Ra, had intercourse with the queen. The son born was, therefore, viewed as a god incarnate and was dedicated to Ra, or Amon-Ra, at his temple. Hence, the death of Pharaoh’s firstborn, in effect, actually meant the death of a god. (Ex 12:29) This in itself would have been a severe blow to Egypt’s religion, and the complete impotence of all the deities was manifested in their being unable to save the firstborn of the Egyptians from death.

Fascinating stuff. So all the stuff going on in the Middle East must mean the certain death and humiliation of the Christian god then. After all, most Christians have been chased out of the Holy Land, and they're being humiliated, raped and murdered up and down the Middle East on a daily basis now. I guess the other gods got their payback on the Bible god? After all, the Bible god is impotent as hell when it comes to how his followers are being sonned on the daily there now.

What a dumb ass. believers of the christian god are taught to die for their faith all this has been prophesied. the story is not over there are millions of christians in the world and israel still exist

Stop lying you fucking idiot. One minute the Bible god is a war god, like you claimed before, now the next he's some meek motherfucker that wants his followers to die a martyr death. Which one is it dum dum? If it's both then the Bible god is more sadistic then even I thought it was. The Bible god WANTS his followers to be raped and beheaded on a daily basis now? Wow, how sad and pathetic.

He's both you dummy if you read the bible you would know that when he's ready to go to war it's slaughter for his enemies.. and he does not want his followers to die but we are told that to follower him means people will want to kill us.

 

[zombie]

God gon come down here and go SSJ2 Gohan on niggas, watch.

Why would god do that now....? Why didn't this god do shit when Blacks were going through the Atlantic Trans Slave Trade? Or when Franciso Pizarro or Hernando Cortes were out there acting a fool all over Mexico and South America?

Why would this god do anything now? Lol

because that's what's promised.

god can plan and see things long term and at a critical point if he feels the need to come down and crush the buildings that is what he does.If you read the bible you will see that there is a time period called "the day of the lord" where god punishes nations and all of them are muslim.

 

[Ajackson17]

You guys been arguing for months what have you learned and achieved?

 

[zombie]

You guys been arguing for months what have you learned and achieved?

that people cannot separate the teachings of a religion from the actions of it's followers

and in my previous post what did you give me an lol for ?? that is actually what the bible teaches

 

[Ajackson17]

You guys been arguing for months what have you learned and achieved?

that people cannot separate the teachings of a religion from the actions of it's followers

and in my previous post what did you give me an lol for ?? that is actually what the bible teaches

On mobile I was going to five you a GOAT. I stopped debating religion cause no one listens.

 

[kingblaze84]

Why is there no proof of the supposed plagues, a parted Red Sea, Jewish slaves in Egypt, Moses, etc?

Why does the bible mention Egyptian cities that didn't even exist at the same time?

How could thousands of people live wandering through a desert for 40 years?

Somebody get in here and make up an excuse for this imaginary tale.

At the time the Egyptians worshiped many Gods. So to bring an answer to them by means of the plagues that he visited upon the Egyptians, Jehovah humiliated and executed judgment upon their gods. The first plague, the turning of the Nile and all the waters of Egypt into blood, brought disgrace to the Nile-god Hapi. The death of the fish in the Nile was also a blow to Egypt’s religion, for certain kinds of fish were actually venerated and even mummified. (Ex 7:19-21) The frog, regarded as a symbol of fertility and the Egyptian concept of resurrection, was considered sacred to the frog-goddess Heqt. Hence, the plague of frogs brought disgrace to this goddess. (Ex 8:5-14) The third plague saw the magic-practicing priests acknowledging defeat when they proved to be unable by means of their secret arts to turn dust into gnats. (Ex 8:16-19) The god Thoth was credited with the invention of magic or secret arts, but even this god could not help the magic-practicing priests to duplicate the third plague.

The line of demarcation between the Egyptians and the worshipers of the true God came to be sharply drawn from the fourth plague onward. While swarms of gadflies invaded the homes of the Egyptians, the Israelites in the land of Goshen were not affected. (Ex 8:23, 24) The next plague, the pestilence upon the livestock, humiliated such deities as the cow-goddess Hathor, Apis, and the sky-goddess Nut, who was conceived of as a cow having the stars affixed to her belly. (Ex 9:1-6) The plague of boils brought disgrace to the gods and goddesses regarded as possessing healing abilities, such as Thoth, Isis, and Ptah. (Ex 9:8-11) The severe hailstorm put to shame the gods who were considered to have control of the natural elements; for example, Reshpu, who, it appears, was believed to control lightning, and Thoth, who was said to have power over the rain and thunder. (Ex 9:22-26) The locust plague spelled defeat for the gods thought to ensure a bountiful harvest, one of these being the fertility god Min, who was viewed as a protector of the crops. (Ex 10:12-15) Among the deities disgraced by the plague of darkness were sun-gods, such as Ra and Horus, and also Thoth the god of the moon and believed to be the systematizer of sun, moon, and stars.—Ex 10:21-23.

The death of the firstborn resulted in the greatest humiliation for the Egyptian gods and goddesses. (Ex 12:12) The rulers of Egypt actually styled themselves as gods, the sons of Ra, or Amon-Ra. It was claimed that Ra, or Amon-Ra, had intercourse with the queen. The son born was, therefore, viewed as a god incarnate and was dedicated to Ra, or Amon-Ra, at his temple. Hence, the death of Pharaoh’s firstborn, in effect, actually meant the death of a god. (Ex 12:29) This in itself would have been a severe blow to Egypt’s religion, and the complete impotence of all the deities was manifested in their being unable to save the firstborn of the Egyptians from death.

Fascinating stuff. So all the stuff going on in the Middle East must mean the certain death and humiliation of the Christian god then. After all, most Christians have been chased out of the Holy Land, and they're being humiliated, raped and murdered up and down the Middle East on a daily basis now. I guess the other gods got their payback on the Bible god? After all, the Bible god is impotent as hell when it comes to how his followers are being sonned on the daily there now.

What a dumb ass. believers of the christian god are taught to die for their faith all this has been prophesied. the story is not over there are millions of christians in the world and israel still exist

Stop lying you fucking idiot. One minute the Bible god is a war god, like you claimed before, now the next he's some meek motherfucker that wants his followers to die a martyr death. Which one is it dum dum? If it's both then the Bible god is more sadistic then even I thought it was. The Bible god WANTS his followers to be raped and beheaded on a daily basis now? Wow, how sad and pathetic.

He's both you dummy if you read the bible you would know that when he's ready to go to war it's slaughter for his enemies.. and he does not want his followers to die but we are told that to follower him means people will want to kill us.

Uh huh

 

[kingblaze84]

You guys been arguing for months what have you learned and achieved?

I've learned the Book of Exodus is basically made up mostly of falsehoods and exaggerations. I've also learned why Christianity and Judaism are made fun of a lot and not taken seriously by most, especially in America.

I achieved satisfaction learning these things.

 

[vitoria]

Fascinating stuff. So all the stuff going on in the Middle East must mean the certain death and humiliation of the Christian god then. After all, most Christians have been chased out of the Holy Land, and they're being humiliated, raped and murdered up and down the Middle East on a daily basis now. I guess the other gods got their payback on the Bible god? After all, the Bible god is impotent as hell when it comes to how his followers are being sonned on the daily there now.

No actually Jehovah is not interfering with mankind problems at least not yet. First you have to start with the beginning an important question was raised. Satan did not call into question Jehovah’s power. Even Satan knows that there is no limit to Jehovah’s power. Rather, Satan questioned God's right to rule. By calling God a liar who withholds good from his subjects, Satan charged that Jehovah is a bad ruler. Genesis 3:2-5 Satan implied that mankind would be better off without God’s rulership. This was an attack on Jehovah’s sovereignty, his right to rule.

Adam and Eve rebelled against Jehovah. In effect, they said: ‘We do not need Jehovah as our Ruler. We can decide for ourselves what is right and what is wrong. How could Jehovah settle that issue? How could he teach all intelligent creatures that the rebels were wrong and that his way truly is best? Someone might say that God should simply have destroyed the rebels and made a fresh start. But Jehovah had stated his purpose to fill the earth with the offspring of Adam and Eve, and he wanted them to live in an earthly paradise. Genesis 1:28 -Jehovah always fulfills his purposes. Isaiah 55:10, 11 Besides that, getting rid of these rebels in Eden would not have answered the question that had been raised regarding Jehovah’s right to rule

Lets consider an illustration. Imagine that a teacher is telling his students how to solve a difficult problem. A clever but rebellious student claims that the teacher’s way of solving the problem is wrong. Implying that the teacher is not capable, this rebel insists that he knows a much better way to solve the problem. Some students think that he is right, and they also become rebellious. What should the teacher do? If he throws the rebels out of the class, what will be the effect on the other students? Will they not believe that their fellow student and those who joined him are right? All the other students in the class might lose respect for the teacher, thinking that he is afraid of being proved wrong. But suppose that the teacher allows the rebel to show the class how he would solve the problem

Jehovah has done something similar to what the teacher does. Remember that the rebels in Eden were not the only ones involved. Millions of angels were watching. Job 38:7; Daniel 7:10 How Jehovah handled the rebellion would greatly affect all those angels and eventually all intelligent creation. So, what has Jehovah done? He has allowed Satan to show how he would rule mankind. God has also allowed humans to govern themselves under Satan’s guidance.

The teacher in the illustration knows that the rebel and the students on his side are wrong. But he also knows that allowing them the opportunity to try to prove their point will benefit the whole class. When the rebels fail, all honest students will see that the teacher is the only one qualified to lead the class. They will understand why the teacher thereafter removes any rebels from the class. Similarly, Jehovah knows that all honest hearted humans and angels will benefit from seeing that Satan and his fellow rebels have failed and that humans cannot govern themselves. Like Jeremiah of old, they will learn this vital truth: “I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.”—Jeremiah 10:23.

Keep in mind that this man is very clever, Satan that is, he has been observing mankind from the beginning of time. And when put into effect that he is perfect being you then realize that your not going up against any ordinary thing.

Satan’s design to keep people blind involves his use of false religion. 2 Corinthians 4:4 Man was created by God with the need to keep in touch with his Creator by means of worship. Satan has deflected this instinct by appealing to selfishness and promoting ignorance of pure religion. To accomplish his purpose he “keeps transforming himself into an angel of light.”- 2 Corinthians 11:14 As a result of such deception, humans engage in thousands of different kinds of false religion.

All false religion is actually a product of Satan, for Paul stated: “The things which the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons, and not to God.” Jesus said: “He that is not on my side is against me, and he that does not gather with me scatters.” Furthermore, Christ allowed no room for interfaith, but said: “No one comes to the Father except through me.”—1 Corinthians 10:20; Matthew 12:30; John 14:6.

 

[kingblaze84]

Fascinating stuff. So all the stuff going on in the Middle East must mean the certain death and humiliation of the Christian god then. After all, most Christians have been chased out of the Holy Land, and they're being humiliated, raped and murdered up and down the Middle East on a daily basis now. I guess the other gods got their payback on the Bible god? After all, the Bible god is impotent as hell when it comes to how his followers are being sonned on the daily there now.

No actually Jehovah is not interfering with mankind problems at least not yet. First you have to start with the beginning an important question was raised. Satan did not call into question Jehovah’s power. Even Satan knows that there is no limit to Jehovah’s power. Rather, Satan questioned God's right to rule. By calling God a liar who withholds good from his subjects, Satan charged that Jehovah is a bad ruler. Genesis 3:2-5 Satan implied that mankind would be better off without God’s rulership. This was an attack on Jehovah’s sovereignty, his right to rule.

Adam and Eve rebelled against Jehovah. In effect, they said: ‘We do not need Jehovah as our Ruler. We can decide for ourselves what is right and what is wrong. How could Jehovah settle that issue? How could he teach all intelligent creatures that the rebels were wrong and that his way truly is best? Someone might say that God should simply have destroyed the rebels and made a fresh start. But Jehovah had stated his purpose to fill the earth with the offspring of Adam and Eve, and he wanted them to live in an earthly paradise. Genesis 1:28 -Jehovah always fulfills his purposes. Isaiah 55:10, 11 Besides that, getting rid of these rebels in Eden would not have answered the question that had been raised regarding Jehovah’s right to rule

Lets consider an illustration. Imagine that a teacher is telling his students how to solve a difficult problem. A clever but rebellious student claims that the teacher’s way of solving the problem is wrong. Implying that the teacher is not capable, this rebel insists that he knows a much better way to solve the problem. Some students think that he is right, and they also become rebellious. What should the teacher do? If he throws the rebels out of the class, what will be the effect on the other students? Will they not believe that their fellow student and those who joined him are right? All the other students in the class might lose respect for the teacher, thinking that he is afraid of being proved wrong. But suppose that the teacher allows the rebel to show the class how he would solve the problem

Jehovah has done something similar to what the teacher does. Remember that the rebels in Eden were not the only ones involved. Millions of angels were watching. Job 38:7; Daniel 7:10 How Jehovah handled the rebellion would greatly affect all those angels and eventually all intelligent creation. So, what has Jehovah done? He has allowed Satan to show how he would rule mankind. God has also allowed humans to govern themselves under Satan’s guidance.

The teacher in the illustration knows that the rebel and the students on his side are wrong. But he also knows that allowing them the opportunity to try to prove their point will benefit the whole class. When the rebels fail, all honest students will see that the teacher is the only one qualified to lead the class. They will understand why the teacher thereafter removes any rebels from the class. Similarly, Jehovah knows that all honest hearted humans and angels will benefit from seeing that Satan and his fellow rebels have failed and that humans cannot govern themselves. Like Jeremiah of old, they will learn this vital truth: “I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.”—Jeremiah 10:23.

Keep in mind that this man is very clever, Satan that is, he has been observing mankind from the beginning of time. And when put into effect that he is perfect being you then realize that your not going up against any ordinary thing.

Satan’s design to keep people blind involves his use of false religion. 2 Corinthians 4:4 Man was created by God with the need to keep in touch with his Creator by means of worship. Satan has deflected this instinct by appealing to selfishness and promoting ignorance of pure religion. To accomplish his purpose he “keeps transforming himself into an angel of light.”- 2 Corinthians 11:14 As a result of such deception, humans engage in thousands of different kinds of false religion.

All false religion is actually a product of Satan, for Paul stated: “The things which the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons, and not to God.” Jesus said: “He that is not on my side is against me, and he that does not gather with me scatters.” Furthermore, Christ allowed no room for interfaith, but said: “No one comes to the Father except through me.”—1 Corinthians 10:20; Matthew 12:30; John 14:6.

The main problem with what you said is that you have no real proof of what is the real religion and what is false religion. Many people around the world consider Christianity a false religion, and your only proof that Christianity is the one true religion is the Bible. There's not enough evidence to back up what you say. And people would take Christianity more seriously if the Bible god stop this little hibernation period it's in and just show itself. Until then, people just aren't gonna take the words of the Bible on its own seriously. Too much talk, not enough action. People on Earth wanna see proof and action and in the age of the internet, there is no excuse.

And even if the Bible god is letting humans do what they want to prove a point that they "need" god, then it's even more reason to not take seriously the Bible because the Bible god repeatedly said it would protect his followers and all that of course isn't true. The Bible god claims to see and know everything ahead of time, so for the Bible god to be mad at Adam and Eve for rebelling doesn't make any sense. It should have known how flawed its own design was. Words are nice, but action is better. This is the reason why there are so many atheists and non religious people out there. If the Bible god REALLY wants there to be only one "true" religion, it would stop being lazy, get off its ass and show itself. Until then, it's all hearsay.

 

[beenwize]

You know what I take back what I said before the kjv is tampered with. There are better scripture such as the Gospel of the Holy Twelve and other Essene scripture. The Bible supports a flesh diet that's how you know it's not divine.

 

[beenwize]

Why is there no proof of the supposed plagues, a parted Red Sea, Jewish slaves in Egypt, Moses, etc?

Why does the bible mention Egyptian cities that didn't even exist at the same time?

How could thousands of people live wandering through a desert for 40 years?

Somebody get in here and make up an excuse for this imaginary tale.

At the time the Egyptians worshiped many Gods. So to bring an answer to them by means of the plagues that he visited upon the Egyptians, Jehovah humiliated and executed judgment upon their gods. The first plague, the turning of the Nile and all the waters of Egypt into blood, brought disgrace to the Nile-god Hapi. The death of the fish in the Nile was also a blow to Egypt’s religion, for certain kinds of fish were actually venerated and even mummified. (Ex 7:19-21) The frog, regarded as a symbol of fertility and the Egyptian concept of resurrection, was considered sacred to the frog-goddess Heqt. Hence, the plague of frogs brought disgrace to this goddess. (Ex 8:5-14) The third plague saw the magic-practicing priests acknowledging defeat when they proved to be unable by means of their secret arts to turn dust into gnats. (Ex 8:16-19) The god Thoth was credited with the invention of magic or secret arts, but even this god could not help the magic-practicing priests to duplicate the third plague.

The line of demarcation between the Egyptians and the worshipers of the true God came to be sharply drawn from the fourth plague onward. While swarms of gadflies invaded the homes of the Egyptians, the Israelites in the land of Goshen were not affected. (Ex 8:23, 24) The next plague, the pestilence upon the livestock, humiliated such deities as the cow-goddess Hathor, Apis, and the sky-goddess Nut, who was conceived of as a cow having the stars affixed to her belly. (Ex 9:1-6) The plague of boils brought disgrace to the gods and goddesses regarded as possessing healing abilities, such as Thoth, Isis, and Ptah. (Ex 9:8-11) The severe hailstorm put to shame the gods who were considered to have control of the natural elements; for example, Reshpu, who, it appears, was believed to control lightning, and Thoth, who was said to have power over the rain and thunder. (Ex 9:22-26) The locust plague spelled defeat for the gods thought to ensure a bountiful harvest, one of these being the fertility god Min, who was viewed as a protector of the crops. (Ex 10:12-15) Among the deities disgraced by the plague of darkness were sun-gods, such as Ra and Horus, and also Thoth the god of the moon and believed to be the systematizer of sun, moon, and stars.—Ex 10:21-23.

The death of the firstborn resulted in the greatest humiliation for the Egyptian gods and goddesses. (Ex 12:12) The rulers of Egypt actually styled themselves as gods, the sons of Ra, or Amon-Ra. It was claimed that Ra, or Amon-Ra, had intercourse with the queen. The son born was, therefore, viewed as a god incarnate and was dedicated to Ra, or Amon-Ra, at his temple. Hence, the death of Pharaoh’s firstborn, in effect, actually meant the death of a god. (Ex 12:29) This in itself would have been a severe blow to Egypt’s religion, and the complete impotence of all the deities was manifested in their being unable to save the firstborn of the Egyptians from death.

Fascinating stuff. So all the stuff going on in the Middle East must mean the certain death and humiliation of the Christian god then. After all, most Christians have been chased out of the Holy Land, and they're being humiliated, raped and murdered up and down the Middle East on a daily basis now. I guess the other gods got their payback on the Bible god? After all, the Bible god is impotent as hell when it comes to how his followers are being sonned on the daily there now.

What a dumb ass. believers of the christian god are taught to die for their faith all this has been prophesied. the story is not over there are millions of christians in the world and israel still exist

Stop lying you fucking idiot. One minute the Bible god is a war god, like you claimed before, now the next he's some meek motherfucker that wants his followers to die a martyr death. Which one is it dum dum? If it's both then the Bible god is more sadistic then even I thought it was. The Bible god WANTS his followers to be raped and beheaded on a daily basis now? Wow, how sad and pathetic.

Lmao this is so true. One minute he is a killer war God then in the New Testament he is now all loving. Its obviously not the same God.

 

[zombie]

Why is there no proof of the supposed plagues, a parted Red Sea, Jewish slaves in Egypt, Moses, etc?

Why does the bible mention Egyptian cities that didn't even exist at the same time?

How could thousands of people live wandering through a desert for 40 years?

Somebody get in here and make up an excuse for this imaginary tale.

At the time the Egyptians worshiped many Gods. So to bring an answer to them by means of the plagues that he visited upon the Egyptians, Jehovah humiliated and executed judgment upon their gods. The first plague, the turning of the Nile and all the waters of Egypt into blood, brought disgrace to the Nile-god Hapi. The death of the fish in the Nile was also a blow to Egypt’s religion, for certain kinds of fish were actually venerated and even mummified. (Ex 7:19-21) The frog, regarded as a symbol of fertility and the Egyptian concept of resurrection, was considered sacred to the frog-goddess Heqt. Hence, the plague of frogs brought disgrace to this goddess. (Ex 8:5-14) The third plague saw the magic-practicing priests acknowledging defeat when they proved to be unable by means of their secret arts to turn dust into gnats. (Ex 8:16-19) The god Thoth was credited with the invention of magic or secret arts, but even this god could not help the magic-practicing priests to duplicate the third plague.

The line of demarcation between the Egyptians and the worshipers of the true God came to be sharply drawn from the fourth plague onward. While swarms of gadflies invaded the homes of the Egyptians, the Israelites in the land of Goshen were not affected. (Ex 8:23, 24) The next plague, the pestilence upon the livestock, humiliated such deities as the cow-goddess Hathor, Apis, and the sky-goddess Nut, who was conceived of as a cow having the stars affixed to her belly. (Ex 9:1-6) The plague of boils brought disgrace to the gods and goddesses regarded as possessing healing abilities, such as Thoth, Isis, and Ptah. (Ex 9:8-11) The severe hailstorm put to shame the gods who were considered to have control of the natural elements; for example, Reshpu, who, it appears, was believed to control lightning, and Thoth, who was said to have power over the rain and thunder. (Ex 9:22-26) The locust plague spelled defeat for the gods thought to ensure a bountiful harvest, one of these being the fertility god Min, who was viewed as a protector of the crops. (Ex 10:12-15) Among the deities disgraced by the plague of darkness were sun-gods, such as Ra and Horus, and also Thoth the god of the moon and believed to be the systematizer of sun, moon, and stars.—Ex 10:21-23.

The death of the firstborn resulted in the greatest humiliation for the Egyptian gods and goddesses. (Ex 12:12) The rulers of Egypt actually styled themselves as gods, the sons of Ra, or Amon-Ra. It was claimed that Ra, or Amon-Ra, had intercourse with the queen. The son born was, therefore, viewed as a god incarnate and was dedicated to Ra, or Amon-Ra, at his temple. Hence, the death of Pharaoh’s firstborn, in effect, actually meant the death of a god. (Ex 12:29) This in itself would have been a severe blow to Egypt’s religion, and the complete impotence of all the deities was manifested in their being unable to save the firstborn of the Egyptians from death.

Fascinating stuff. So all the stuff going on in the Middle East must mean the certain death and humiliation of the Christian god then. After all, most Christians have been chased out of the Holy Land, and they're being humiliated, raped and murdered up and down the Middle East on a daily basis now. I guess the other gods got their payback on the Bible god? After all, the Bible god is impotent as hell when it comes to how his followers are being sonned on the daily there now.

What a dumb ass. believers of the christian god are taught to die for their faith all this has been prophesied. the story is not over there are millions of christians in the world and israel still exist

Stop lying you fucking idiot. One minute the Bible god is a war god, like you claimed before, now the next he's some meek motherfucker that wants his followers to die a martyr death. Which one is it dum dum? If it's both then the Bible god is more sadistic then even I thought it was. The Bible god WANTS his followers to be raped and beheaded on a daily basis now? Wow, how sad and pathetic.

Lmao this is so true. One minute he is a killer war God then in the New Testament he is now all loving. Its obviously not the same God.

actually in the OLD TESTMENT god is at war in the NEW he is promising to go to war so anyway you put it he's fighting