Did the book of Exodus really happen?

[soul rattler]

Abraham was basically the surviving son of a dead empire, an uncrowned king empowered by divine right, so basically the story is really about testing his devotion to his divine right by being willing to kill his sole potential rival, his own son and heir, and by showing that abject devotion he was promised a new empire that would last through the ages. That empire is still going based on faith. It's all adapted allegorical tales of previous faiths.

From that debate link...

Saint Augustine, the eminent early Church leader, himself admitted "That which is known as the Christian religion existed among the ancients, and never did not exist", i.e. that christianity is simply a retelling of the ancient savior mythologies that have always existed among civilizations. The Christian Father Justin Martyr (c. 100-165 CE) even admitted that christianity offered nothing new that did not exist in ancient pagan religions. In Justin Martyr's First Apology and his Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, Justin Martyr admits to similarities between Christianity and the many ancient savior gods; he admits to virgin births, of miraculous healings, and deaths and resurrections, of other savior gods outside of christianity (e.g. Justin admits to Hercules' virgin birth, resurrection, and ascension to heaven. Justin admits to Perseus' virgin birth, and how Aesculapius raised the dead and did miraculous healings and imitated the prophecies about Christ). Lactantius (240-330 CE), an early Church writer, wrote, so as to convince the pagan elite to convert to christianity, about how the ancient pagan savior-god stories were proof that christianity was a valid religion, since christianity was thus as valid as those religions

So it's basically a case of "well they told a story, why can't I? WTF is plagiarism? It's inspiration and a homage!" but then in later years it turned into a case of trying to claiming original ownership. It's why the Romans feared the Moors so much when they came as conquerors, why they destroyed and "reinterpreted" so many texts, why the different empires fought for influence using the same basic ideals, whether Byzantine or Roman or any other.

It all seems to be originally rooted in Akkadian myths.

If this doesn't hurt some feelings or change some minds, nothing will.

 

[zombie]

The story of the bible is really the story of gods creation of a people, an ethnic group that he would use to bring knowledge of who he is to the whole world . GOD basically made these people nomads so of course you are going to have bits and pieces of all kinds of belief from all over the area.

now if you believe in this god then that creates no problem for you but if you don't well then you are going to see a problem with how the religion was created

 

[soul rattler]

The story of the bible is really the story of gods creation of a people, an ethnic group that he would use to bring knowledge of who he is to the whole world . GOD basically made these people nomads so of course you are going to have bits and pieces of all kinds of belief from all over the area.

now if you believe in this god then that creates no problem for you but if you don't well then you are going to see a problem with how the religion was created

Here you go apologizing again. Christianity presumes monotheism to be the legitimate state of godhood. That alone is in direct contradiction to earlier Afrikan, Asian, and European folklore which Christianity "borrows" heavily from.

 

[Ajackson17]

I'm doing research right now and try to find a way to download the mechanical bible now, shit really put things in a total perspective.

 

[Ajackson17]

I think by reading the original hebrew text it kinda confirms that the hebrew people didn't in a one God, but supreme god, but they believe that other gods existed and knew of their existence, but only bowed to Yahwah. I think that thinking is really changes everything and plus the fact they weren't the first ones with monotheism in fact it was Kemet.

 

[soul rattler]

I don't think the claim has ever been that Judaism initiated monotheism, just that it did so the most arrogantly.

Deuteronomy 4:35

To you it was shown, that you might know that the Lord is God; there is no other besides him.

Isaiah 44:6

Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.

Isaiah 43:10

“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.

Isaiah 45:5

I am the Lord, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me,

Isaiah 41:4

Who has performed and done this, calling the generations from the beginning? I, the Lord, the first, and with the last; I am he.

Then again, looking at Exodus specifically, you may be onto something

Exodus 20:3

“You shall have no other gods before me.

Exodus 18:11

Now I know that the Lord is greater than all gods, because in this affair they dealt arrogantly with the people.

Exodus 7:1 - And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

Very particular wording which leaves room for the possibility of other deities.

 

[Ajackson17]

I don't think the claim has ever been that Judaism initiated monotheism, just that it did so the most arrogantly.

Deuteronomy 4:35

To you it was shown, that you might know that the Lord is God; there is no other besides him.

Isaiah 44:6

Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.

Isaiah 43:10

“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.

Isaiah 45:5

I am the Lord, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me,

Isaiah 41:4

Who has performed and done this, calling the generations from the beginning? I, the Lord, the first, and with the last; I am he.

Then again, looking at Exodus specifically, you may be onto something

Exodus 20:3

“You shall have no other gods before me.

Exodus 18:11

Now I know that the Lord is greater than all gods, because in this affair they dealt arrogantly with the people.

Exodus 7:1 - And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

Very particular wording which leaves room for the possibility of other deities.

Read the original hebrew text especially genesis. Yahweh actually travels with other Elohiym. The fact is there are no such things as Angels and are in fact are part of the same beings as Yahweh.
https://sites.google.com/site/yahwehelohiym/the-messengers/abraham-meets-three-men

 

[soul rattler]

That link specifies the other Elohiem as messengers, not beings on equal footing as Yahweh.

There's wiggle room, but they never come out and say there were other supreme creatures besides Yahweh.

 

[zombie]

The story of the bible is really the story of gods creation of a people, an ethnic group that he would use to bring knowledge of who he is to the whole world . GOD basically made these people nomads so of course you are going to have bits and pieces of all kinds of belief from all over the area.

now if you believe in this god then that creates no problem for you but if you don't well then you are going to see a problem with how the religion was created

Religion is Chinese whispers passed off as doctrines of faith.

according to you and from your perspective

 

[zombie]

The story of the bible is really the story of gods creation of a people, an ethnic group that he would use to bring knowledge of who he is to the whole world . GOD basically made these people nomads so of course you are going to have bits and pieces of all kinds of belief from all over the area.

now if you believe in this god then that creates no problem for you but if you don't well then you are going to see a problem with how the religion was created

Here you go apologizing again. Christianity presumes monotheism to be the legitimate state of godhood. That alone is in direct contradiction to earlier Afrikan, Asian, and European folklore which Christianity "borrows" heavily from.

there is one god and he revealed himself from amongst the other false gods which were nothing more than the imaginations of man or the lies of demons.

 

[zombie]

also A god is anything that is worshiped it does not have to be a believed deity

 

[soul rattler]

also A god is anything that is worshiped it does not have to be a believed deity

You're wrong.

 

[zombie]

also A god is anything that is worshiped it does not have to be a believed deity

You're wrong.

no i am not

1god noun \ˈgäd also ˈgȯd\

God : the perfect and all-powerful spirit or being that is worshipped especially by Christians, Jews, and Muslims as the one who created and rules the universe

: a spirit or being that has great power, strength, knowledge, etc., and that can affect nature and the lives of people : one of various spirits or beings worshipped in some religions

: a person and especially a man who is greatly loved or admired

Full Definition of GOD

1

capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as

a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe

b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind

2

: a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality

3

: a person or thing of supreme value

4

: a powerful rule

 

[janklow]

The bible was meant to be taken literally, whether you agree it's bullshit or not.

...yeah, i am going to go ahead and say that this statement is not accurate.

 

[Alkinduz]

the story is most likely a disjointed tale of events that really happened to people living in egypt that descended from immigrants to that land.

this

story of exodus is most likely based on the Amazigh people(literally meaning free people), one of the biggest Berber group of Africa, they were liberated and left Egypt 3000 years ago.

similarities: the first Berber Faraoh(forgot his name, sounded like Sheshonk or something) 3000 years ago, liberated his people(who were slaves in Egypt)...and the 2nd thing he did was re capturing the lands(today known as Israel and Palestine).

Like Moses, he grew up amongst the Faraohs and learned from them, he was the first berber king of egypt..

so yeah, 3000 years ago there was a "exodus" of berber people who spread to Israel,Libya,Algeria,Morocco etc, everywhere but Egypt.

 

[Alkinduz]

Interesting side note is that the Amazigh have their own alphabet and calendar, started the year Sheshonk liberated them....they now live in the year 2964....

on 17 januari 2015, its amazigh new year again, 2965...parties in Morocco

 

[Ajackson17]

After studying a bit the Hebrew people were literal and concrete people so yes the Bible is to be taken as literal . they didn't use abstract words.

 

[kingblaze84]

The bible was meant to be taken literally, whether you agree it's bullshit or not.

...yeah, i am going to go ahead and say that this statement is not accurate.

**Family Feud Buzzer sound**

WRONG. The Bible has very clear rules and regulations. Read it again.

 

[Ajackson17]

The bible was meant to be taken literally, whether you agree it's bullshit or not.

...yeah, i am going to go ahead and say that this statement is not accurate.

**Family Feud Buzzer sound**

WRONG. The Bible has very clear rules and regulations. Read it again.

People were killed for not doing certain regulations.

 

[CracceR]

probably not