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Did Jay-Z have any real fans prior to the Blueprint?

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I can feel where you coming from. Well said. Makes me wanna look into this more. I can honestly say I saw nothing more of Jay than a self-promotin bastid for a period of time.
 
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DMX was never the king of New York

Even with the amount of records he sold.

Vol. 2 cemented Jay's status.
 
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DMX, and Nas were both better than Jay musically and on the mic skill for skill

it's just both of them fell off musically as did Jay, but Jay kept in the limelight with business side of things

see if Nas was married to Beyonce and worth 500 mil we'd be calling him the greatest rapper alive even if he was putting out mediocre albums, same with DMX

Jayz last hot album was the black album ever since than he been fallen off musically, only jay z stans and fly by night hip hop fans be hyping Jay up musically

Jayz is a great businessman, if he aint have side ventures and wasnt married to the baddest chick in the game nobody wud be talking about him right now
 
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kirkangil;528080 said:
DMX was never the king of New York

Even with the amount of records he sold.

Vol. 2 cemented Jay's status.
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c/s...x and ja rule never have and obviously never will fcuk with Jay lyrically...and remember NY hip hop scene has for the most part always been about lyrics...real talk...niggas slept on reasonable doubt when it first came out and vol.1 was just too commercial and poppy (save for a few songs)...vol. 2 was when Jay was really crowned....
 
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kirkangil;528080 said:
DMX was never the king of New York

Even with the amount of records he sold.

Vol. 2 cemented Jay's status.
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Bullshit. Admitedlly Jay ran 98 just off the strength of Hard Knock Life, but X would have the last laugh with " ...And Then There Was X" which sold just as much as Vol. 2 and capped off the 3 headed monster of "It's Dark and Hell is Hot" and "Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood". Jay never released 3 highly successful records in a row on the scale that X did. Plus Ruff Ryders was running shit and who was the frontman of that?
 
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Jay is a rapper who use to pic great beats, but if u strip down his music content there's nothing there....he dont get in to politics, he aint raw, he has the worst track record when it comes to singles...his music mainly consists of money, ballin, sex and hoes....he's just biggysmllaz without the gun talk

DMX was a breath of fresh air, he was spitting that raw shit, putting out raw hard singles, he was also very creative with his songs, and had alot of substance...

Nas better than both of them, but just picks wack beats
 
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Jay107;528150 said:
c/s...x and ja rule never have and obviously never will fcuk with Jay lyrically...and remember NY hip hop scene has for the most part always been about lyrics...real talk...niggas slept on reasonable doubt when it first came out and vol.1 was just too commercial and poppy (save for a few songs)...vol. 2 was when Jay was really crowned....
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Never said Ja or X were better rappers. But they were more popular.

And people, Forawhile, Vol. 2 was Jay's only hugely successful, SoldBETTERTHANEVERY1ELSES project. Everything else he did sold just as well and was received as well as his other NY contemporaries.
 
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niggas got on the jay bandwagon when he announced his retirement...great marketing move

also being beyonces boyfriend, he was gonna stay in the magazines all day everyday

the whole def jam ceo thing helped him stay in the news, then his comeback and him fuckin with wite rockstars like coldplay, which won him even more fly by night hip hop fans

history will a judge a man and jayz will be seen as a commercial dickrode rapper.

its funny though how jayz has overtaken biggy as the second greatest rapper on online/tv polls behind pac...

it use to be whos the best big or pac

now it's who's the best jay or pac
 
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Knives Amilli;528152 said:
Bullshit. Admitedlly Jay ran 98 just off the strength of Hard Knock Life, but X would have the last laugh with " ...And Then There Was X" which sold just as much as Vol. 2 and capped off the 3 headed monster of "It's Dark and Hell is Hot" and "Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood". Jay never released 3 highly successful records in a row on the scale that X did. Plus Ruff Ryders was running shit and who was the frontman of that?
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I would not exactly say all that, The BP 1, then BP2, then The Black Album, those were 3 "single", Commercial, and Critically successful Albums. DMX never in his career had all three of those on one album
 
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the point is, Jay Z has never put out a dud album. Most people will compare an album to RD,BP1, or TBA. but those are some of the greatest rap albums of the last 20 years. you have to look at how good the individual album is and all of JayZ's are good

DMX had the same appeal as 50 Cent, he was the hot rapper at the time which got him more fame, which sold him more records, but then the appeal began to unravel.

Also, Jay Z highest selling record to date, is still Vol 2, BO and RD are his most critical successes and BP3 is his highest "singles" success. I wouldnt say BP1 is the reason for his success now, i would say it is more to The Black Album. I live in the South, and if you ask anyone about Jay Z, they will name "dirt off your shoulder,99 Problems, or Encore" before they name any thing else
 
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I havent seen any Internet poll where its Jay Z vs Pac

they are mostly all those EM stans who vote on them and have Pac VS Em
 
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dude are you serious, you just sound like a hater

Kingdom Come was underrated, AG was the best album of 2007(and probably one of the best of the last 5 years) and BP3 is a great album.

and what do you mean, "no body would be talking about him". he just released his most successful "singles" album ever.
 
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Jay Z formed his jigga warrior cult in 1998 when he sold he soul for riches.

before that he was a non factor. even those deep ny heads know that jay z was a local yokel in the early 90s. im not gonna front and act like i knew about the bum since 89. i first saw jay z in 1996 like mostly everyone else as foxy's bitch boy in the aint no nigga video. dead presidents video used to be on rapcity and cant knock the hustle used to be on rotation in mtv but i always turned because the production on rd is boring. i didnt start liking jay z until that ill be good video by fox and he killed it. around that time i started getting heavy with the clue/ss/and cutmaster c tapes in early 97 and jay z songs used to be all over them and he impressed me. he wasnt deep or lyrical like nas but i liked flawless, effortless flow. jay z used to have bars for days with panoramic conciousness and quick wit that alot of the new mc's at that time werent bringing. songs like who ya wit, peoples court, big momma thing, flex freestyle, murder INC, ur a customer and freestyles with his sauce made me a fan of jay z in 97 and when vol 1 came out i used to take that tape with me to school everyday. 98 rolls around and jay z drops streets is watching and he still killing it. he formed a loyal fan base. he was going from regional to nationwide. when he saw the success of DMX and Puffy he couldnt help his greedy heart and sold his soul to def jam. when i heard money aint a thing for the first time in may 98 i was dissapointed. jay z switched his persona from introspective hustler music to money, cars, bitches and drugs. vol 2 was a dissapointment. he sold out his core fanbase. ever since then its been fuck jay z
 
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LOL@ DMX ever being the King of New York, and another LMAO@ Him being nicer than Jay on the mic, DMX first album was classic......nothing else he recorded was even close to fucking with that.
 
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after big died ny wanted him to carry the crown then he dropped vol. 1 which was mostly an attempt to get radio spins....then he dropped that streets is watching movie and hard knock life...then went on tour with an all rap tour no rnb....and then he took crown
 
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