Did Italians originate the mafia??

[Maximus Rex]

For one "mafia" is an Italian word and the organization that is known as the "Black Hand" (a criminal organization,) is from Sicily, (Palermo.) Though there were another organized criminal syndicates made of up other ethnic groups (such as Jewish, (e.g. Meyer Lansky and the Purple Gang out Detriot ) Irish ( e.g. Bugs Moran and the Westies,) it was the Italians who were the most organized and eventually became the ones that garnered the most power and political clout. What I trip off of is where did the Jewish and Irish organized crime syndicates go? Those shits just seemed to vanish like opium and opium dens.

 

[janklow]

what is commonly referred to as the Mafia? yes, as well as other organized crime syndicates in Italy. but ORGANIZED CRIME surely predates them.

 

[IvyLeagueTeam]

No. The blackhand existed during the days of moorish power in the region. Sicioy was a base for alot of african moors hence theorigination of the so called mafia.

 

[DillaDeaf]

For one "mafia" is an Italian word and the organization that is known as the "Black Hand" (a criminal organization,) is from Sicily, (Palermo.) Though there were another organized criminal syndicates made of up other ethnic groups (such as Jewish, (e.g. Meyer Lansky and the Purple Gang out Detriot ) Irish ( e.g. Bugs Moran and the Westies,) it was the Italians who were the most organized and eventually became the ones that garnered the most power and political clout. What I trip off of is where did the Jewish and Irish organized crime syndicates go? Those shits just seemed to vanish like opium and opium dens.

Actually no. There's a guy who wasn't even Sicilian but held most of the power in the Outfit (The Chicago Mafia):

"The Hump" -- Murray Humphreys

He was Welsh, but actually the brains behind most of the Outfit and really the one relaying the orders. Basically he was the inspiration for "Tom Hagen" in the Godfather.

mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Murray_Humphreys

As for the Jewish gang, Meyer wasn't no slouch...Lucky would had never survive the onslaught after nearly getting killed in the Castellammarese War ....after Lucky recovered from the scarring, it's was Meyer's brain who help Lucky figure out the revenge and basically ending the war. And when Lucky was exported, Meyer basically ran the gang. There's a book called Nocturne Havana, that basically shows Meyer had that power..

Meyer's power extended to giving the go ahead to take out Bugsy Sigel ..and on top of that, he had the power to give approval to take out the Mafia boss at one time -- Albert Anastasia (head of Murder Inc, the guy John Gotti modeled himself after).

Meyer was so good at this, he tripled crossed the guy (who hated Meyer) who wanted to take out Albert, once Albert was taken out, Meyer set that guy up on a narc charge....Vito Genovese.

 

[Lustchyld]

what is commonly referred to as the Mafia? yes, as well as other organized crime syndicates in Italy. but ORGANIZED CRIME surely predates them.

Exactly, which is why I made this thread. When was the earliest recorded history of organized crime? Scholars where the fuck yall at?

 

[Lustchyld]

For one "mafia" is an Italian word and the organization that is known as the "Black Hand" (a criminal organization,) is from Sicily, (Palermo.) Though there were another organized criminal syndicates made of up other ethnic groups (such as Jewish, (e.g. Meyer Lansky and the Purple Gang out Detriot ) Irish ( e.g. Bugs Moran and the Westies,) it was the Italians who were the most organized and eventually became the ones that garnered the most power and political clout. What I trip off of is where did the Jewish and Irish organized crime syndicates go? Those shits just seemed to vanish like opium and opium dens.

Actually no. There's a guy who wasn't even Sicilian but held most of the power in the Outfit (The Chicago Mafia):

"The Hump" -- Murray Humphreys

He was Welsh, but actually the brains behind most of the Outfit and really the one relaying the orders. Basically he was the inspiration for "Tom Hagen" in the Godfather.

mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Murray_Humphreys

As for the Jewish gang, Meyer wasn't no slouch...Lucky would had never survive the onslaught after nearly getting killed in the Castellammarese War ....after Lucky recovered from the scarring, it's was Meyer's brain who help Lucky figure out the revenge and basically ending the war. And when Lucky was exported, Meyer basically ran the gang. There's a book called Nocturne Havana, that basically shows Meyer had that power..

Meyer's power extended to giving the go ahead to take out Bugsy Sigel ..and on top of that, he had the power to give approval to take out the Mafia boss at one time -- Albert Anastasia (head of Murder Inc, the guy John Gotti modeled himself after).

Meyer was so good at this, he tripled crossed the guy (who hated Meyer) who wanted to take out Albert, once Albert was taken out, Meyer set that guy up on a narc charge....Vito Genovese.

hmmm....interesting

 

[DillaDeaf]

For one "mafia" is an Italian word and the organization that is known as the "Black Hand" (a criminal organization,) is from Sicily, (Palermo.) Though there were another organized criminal syndicates made of up other ethnic groups (such as Jewish, (e.g. Meyer Lansky and the Purple Gang out Detriot ) Irish ( e.g. Bugs Moran and the Westies,) it was the Italians who were the most organized and eventually became the ones that garnered the most power and political clout. What I trip off of is where did the Jewish and Irish organized crime syndicates go? Those shits just seemed to vanish like opium and opium dens.

Actually no. There's a guy who wasn't even Sicilian but held most of the power in the Outfit (The Chicago Mafia):

"The Hump" -- Murray Humphreys

He was Welsh, but actually the brains behind most of the Outfit and really the one relaying the orders. Basically he was the inspiration for "Tom Hagen" in the Godfather.

mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Murray_Humphreys

As for the Jewish gang, Meyer wasn't no slouch...Lucky would had never survive the onslaught after nearly getting killed in the Castellammarese War ....after Lucky recovered from the scarring, it's was Meyer's brain who help Lucky figure out the revenge and basically ending the war. And when Lucky was exported, Meyer basically ran the gang. There's a book called Nocturne Havana, that basically shows Meyer had that power..

Meyer's power extended to giving the go ahead to take out Bugsy Sigel ..and on top of that, he had the power to give approval to take out the Mafia boss at one time -- Albert Anastasia (head of Murder Inc, the guy John Gotti modeled himself after).

Meyer was so good at this, he tripled crossed the guy (who hated Meyer) who wanted to take out Albert, once Albert was taken out, Meyer set that guy up on a narc charge....Vito Genovese.

hmmm....interesting

I have ebooks links on the mafia if you want them. The book called "The Outfit" is exhaustive ..it goes into detail on The Hump.

 

[G.Avant]

For one "mafia" is an Italian word and the organization that is known as the "Black Hand" (a criminal organization,) is from Sicily, (Palermo.) Though there were another organized criminal syndicates made of up other ethnic groups (such as Jewish, (e.g. Meyer Lansky and the Purple Gang out Detriot ) Irish ( e.g. Bugs Moran and the Westies,) it was the Italians who were the most organized and eventually became the ones that garnered the most power and political clout. What I trip off of is where did the Jewish and Irish organized crime syndicates go? Those shits just seemed to vanish like opium and opium dens.

Actually no. There's a guy who wasn't even Sicilian but held most of the power in the Outfit (The Chicago Mafia):

"The Hump" -- Murray Humphreys

He was Welsh, but actually the brains behind most of the Outfit and really the one relaying the orders. Basically he was the inspiration for "Tom Hagen" in the Godfather.

mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Murray_Humphreys

As for the Jewish gang, Meyer wasn't no slouch...Lucky would had never survive the onslaught after nearly getting killed in the Castellammarese War ....after Lucky recovered from the scarring, it's was Meyer's brain who help Lucky figure out the revenge and basically ending the war. And when Lucky was exported, Meyer basically ran the gang. There's a book called Nocturne Havana, that basically shows Meyer had that power..

Meyer's power extended to giving the go ahead to take out Bugsy Sigel ..and on top of that, he had the power to give approval to take out the Mafia boss at one time -- Albert Anastasia (head of Murder Inc, the guy John Gotti modeled himself after).

Meyer was so good at this, he tripled crossed the guy (who hated Meyer) who wanted to take out Albert, once Albert was taken out, Meyer set that guy up on a narc charge....Vito Genovese.

hmmm....interesting

I have ebooks links on the mafia if you want them. The book called "The Outfit" is exhaustive ..it goes into detail on The Hump.

Yo let me get that if you dont mind

 

[G.Avant]

what is commonly referred to as the Mafia? yes, as well as other organized crime syndicates in Italy. but ORGANIZED CRIME surely predates them.

Exactly, which is why I made this thread. When was the earliest recorded history of organized crime? Scholars where the fuck yall at?

The beginning of time.

 

[DillaDeaf]

For one "mafia" is an Italian word and the organization that is known as the "Black Hand" (a criminal organization,) is from Sicily, (Palermo.) Though there were another organized criminal syndicates made of up other ethnic groups (such as Jewish, (e.g. Meyer Lansky and the Purple Gang out Detriot ) Irish ( e.g. Bugs Moran and the Westies,) it was the Italians who were the most organized and eventually became the ones that garnered the most power and political clout. What I trip off of is where did the Jewish and Irish organized crime syndicates go? Those shits just seemed to vanish like opium and opium dens.

Actually no. There's a guy who wasn't even Sicilian but held most of the power in the Outfit (The Chicago Mafia):

"The Hump" -- Murray Humphreys

He was Welsh, but actually the brains behind most of the Outfit and really the one relaying the orders. Basically he was the inspiration for "Tom Hagen" in the Godfather.

mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Murray_Humphreys

As for the Jewish gang, Meyer wasn't no slouch...Lucky would had never survive the onslaught after nearly getting killed in the Castellammarese War ....after Lucky recovered from the scarring, it's was Meyer's brain who help Lucky figure out the revenge and basically ending the war. And when Lucky was exported, Meyer basically ran the gang. There's a book called Nocturne Havana, that basically shows Meyer had that power..

Meyer's power extended to giving the go ahead to take out Bugsy Sigel ..and on top of that, he had the power to give approval to take out the Mafia boss at one time -- Albert Anastasia (head of Murder Inc, the guy John Gotti modeled himself after).

Meyer was so good at this, he tripled crossed the guy (who hated Meyer) who wanted to take out Albert, once Albert was taken out, Meyer set that guy up on a narc charge....Vito Genovese.

hmmm....interesting

I have ebooks links on the mafia if you want them. The book called "The Outfit" is exhaustive ..it goes into detail on The Hump.

Yo let me get that if you dont mind

Not a problem...will be up in a bit.

 

[TheManInBlack4.0]

I know the Yakuza have been around for a great deal of time.

 

[Maximus Rex]

As for the Jewish gang, Meyer wasn't no slouch...

I would have say that Meyer Lansky is probably the greatest gangster in the history of organized crime, (with strong arguments being made for Arnold Rothstein, Lucky Luciano, and Carlo Gambino) If I'm not mistaken Lansky every did any pen time either, (state or feds.)

You seem to be well versed in the history of the mob and this is something I've wondered. Why is the Genovese Crime Family named after Vito Genovese and not Luciano as for the the other families, (E.g. the Gambinos being named after Carlo Gambino and not Albert Anastasia. I think it was Anastasia who formed what is now known as the Gambino Crime Family,) Or are the families named after who was ever boss at the time the Feds decided to put a name to them?

 

[Lustchyld]

what is commonly referred to as the Mafia? yes, as well as other organized crime syndicates in Italy. but ORGANIZED CRIME surely predates them.

Exactly, which is why I made this thread. When was the earliest recorded history of organized crime? Scholars where the fuck yall at?

The beginning of time.

the beginning of time predates recorded history

 

[DillaDeaf]

For one "mafia" is an Italian word and the organization that is known as the "Black Hand" (a criminal organization,) is from Sicily, (Palermo.) Though there were another organized criminal syndicates made of up other ethnic groups (such as Jewish, (e.g. Meyer Lansky and the Purple Gang out Detriot ) Irish ( e.g. Bugs Moran and the Westies,) it was the Italians who were the most organized and eventually became the ones that garnered the most power and political clout. What I trip off of is where did the Jewish and Irish organized crime syndicates go? Those shits just seemed to vanish like opium and opium dens.

Actually no. There's a guy who wasn't even Sicilian but held most of the power in the Outfit (The Chicago Mafia):

"The Hump" -- Murray Humphreys

He was Welsh, but actually the brains behind most of the Outfit and really the one relaying the orders. Basically he was the inspiration for "Tom Hagen" in the Godfather.

mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Murray_Humphreys

As for the Jewish gang, Meyer wasn't no slouch...Lucky would had never survive the onslaught after nearly getting killed in the Castellammarese War ....after Lucky recovered from the scarring, it's was Meyer's brain who help Lucky figure out the revenge and basically ending the war. And when Lucky was exported, Meyer basically ran the gang. There's a book called Nocturne Havana, that basically shows Meyer had that power..

Meyer's power extended to giving the go ahead to take out Bugsy Sigel ..and on top of that, he had the power to give approval to take out the Mafia boss at one time -- Albert Anastasia (head of Murder Inc, the guy John Gotti modeled himself after).

Meyer was so good at this, he tripled crossed the guy (who hated Meyer) who wanted to take out Albert, once Albert was taken out, Meyer set that guy up on a narc charge....Vito Genovese.

hmmm....interesting

I have ebooks links on the mafia if you want them. The book called "The Outfit" is exhaustive ..it goes into detail on The Hump.

Yo let me get that if you dont mind

Here's the first sets I've uploaded --http://www31.zippyshare.com/v/8867576/file.html

Those books are heavily on Chicago, NY and even Whitey B. (Boston Irish Mob )

The next set has the book on the BMF based in Philly.

*Edited* -- here's the last set:http://www31.zippyshare.com/v/35433027/file.html

 

[DillaDeaf]

As for the Jewish gang, Meyer wasn't no slouch...

I would have say that Meyer Lansky is probably the greatest gangster in the history of organized crime, (with strong arguments being made for Arnold Rothstein, Lucky Luciano, and Carlo Gambino) If I'm not mistaken Lansky every did any pen time either, (state or feds.)

You seem to be well versed in the history of the mob and this is something I've wondered. Why is the Genovese Crime Family named after Vito Genovese and not Luciano as for the the other families, (E.g. the Gambinos being named after Carlo Gambino and not Albert Anastasia. I think it was Anastasia who formed what is now known as the Gambino Crime Family,) Or are the families named after who was ever boss at the time the Feds decided to put a name to them?

I'm going by memory here, might have to double check....

Vito was one of the original guys who founded the Five Families ...so that why it was in his name. Let's me get the link and brief history on founders of the 5, and who became who under which family. Anastasia didn't formed the Gambino...Anastasia was under one of the 5, and once Gambino took his spot, they made it in his name because Gambino was literally a "boss of bosses". He wasn't to be fuck with.

Edited -- while Vito was one of the original guys...he was the original underboss in Lucky's family first, partly because Vito was dangerous as a young turk among young turks. When Lucky went away, Vito took over the family and was the longest tenure boss, hence the family having his name

Lucky Luciano,Frank Costello (who rule when Vito had to go on the run for a murder charge right after Lucky was deported), Vito Genovese, Vincent "The Chin" Gigante.......basically that order

 

[Jabu_Rule]

For one "mafia" is an Italian word and the organization that is known as the "Black Hand" (a criminal organization,) is from Sicily, (Palermo.) Though there were another organized criminal syndicates made of up other ethnic groups (such as Jewish, (e.g. Meyer Lansky and the Purple Gang out Detriot ) Irish ( e.g. Bugs Moran and the Westies,) it was the Italians who were the most organized and eventually became the ones that garnered the most power and political clout. What I trip off of is where did the Jewish and Irish organized crime syndicates go? Those shits just seemed to vanish like opium and opium dens.

Morphine, Heroin.

 

[G.Avant]

For one "mafia" is an Italian word and the organization that is known as the "Black Hand" (a criminal organization,) is from Sicily, (Palermo.) Though there were another organized criminal syndicates made of up other ethnic groups (such as Jewish, (e.g. Meyer Lansky and the Purple Gang out Detriot ) Irish ( e.g. Bugs Moran and the Westies,) it was the Italians who were the most organized and eventually became the ones that garnered the most power and political clout. What I trip off of is where did the Jewish and Irish organized crime syndicates go? Those shits just seemed to vanish like opium and opium dens.

Actually no. There's a guy who wasn't even Sicilian but held most of the power in the Outfit (The Chicago Mafia):

"The Hump" -- Murray Humphreys

He was Welsh, but actually the brains behind most of the Outfit and really the one relaying the orders. Basically he was the inspiration for "Tom Hagen" in the Godfather.

mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Murray_Humphreys

As for the Jewish gang, Meyer wasn't no slouch...Lucky would had never survive the onslaught after nearly getting killed in the Castellammarese War ....after Lucky recovered from the scarring, it's was Meyer's brain who help Lucky figure out the revenge and basically ending the war. And when Lucky was exported, Meyer basically ran the gang. There's a book called Nocturne Havana, that basically shows Meyer had that power..

Meyer's power extended to giving the go ahead to take out Bugsy Sigel ..and on top of that, he had the power to give approval to take out the Mafia boss at one time -- Albert Anastasia (head of Murder Inc, the guy John Gotti modeled himself after).

Meyer was so good at this, he tripled crossed the guy (who hated Meyer) who wanted to take out Albert, once Albert was taken out, Meyer set that guy up on a narc charge....Vito Genovese.

hmmm....interesting

I have ebooks links on the mafia if you want them. The book called "The Outfit" is exhaustive ..it goes into detail on The Hump.

Yo let me get that if you dont mind

Here's the first sets I've uploaded --http://www31.zippyshare.com/v/8867576/file.html

Those books are heavily on Chicago, NY and even Whitey B. (Boston Irish Mob )

The next set has the book on the BMF based in Philly.

*Edited* -- here's the last set:http://www31.zippyshare.com/v/35433027/file.html

props man

 

[G.Avant]

what is commonly referred to as the Mafia? yes, as well as other organized crime syndicates in Italy. but ORGANIZED CRIME surely predates them.

Exactly, which is why I made this thread. When was the earliest recorded history of organized crime? Scholars where the fuck yall at?

The beginning of time.

the beginning of time predates recorded history

That wasnt really meant to be taken literally. Humans have been and forever will be on some gorilla shit.

 

[Lustchyld]

For one "mafia" is an Italian word and the organization that is known as the "Black Hand" (a criminal organization,) is from Sicily, (Palermo.) Though there were another organized criminal syndicates made of up other ethnic groups (such as Jewish, (e.g. Meyer Lansky and the Purple Gang out Detriot ) Irish ( e.g. Bugs Moran and the Westies,) it was the Italians who were the most organized and eventually became the ones that garnered the most power and political clout. What I trip off of is where did the Jewish and Irish organized crime syndicates go? Those shits just seemed to vanish like opium and opium dens.

Actually no. There's a guy who wasn't even Sicilian but held most of the power in the Outfit (The Chicago Mafia):

"The Hump" -- Murray Humphreys

He was Welsh, but actually the brains behind most of the Outfit and really the one relaying the orders. Basically he was the inspiration for "Tom Hagen" in the Godfather.

mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Murray_Humphreys

As for the Jewish gang, Meyer wasn't no slouch...Lucky would had never survive the onslaught after nearly getting killed in the Castellammarese War ....after Lucky recovered from the scarring, it's was Meyer's brain who help Lucky figure out the revenge and basically ending the war. And when Lucky was exported, Meyer basically ran the gang. There's a book called Nocturne Havana, that basically shows Meyer had that power..

Meyer's power extended to giving the go ahead to take out Bugsy Sigel ..and on top of that, he had the power to give approval to take out the Mafia boss at one time -- Albert Anastasia (head of Murder Inc, the guy John Gotti modeled himself after).

Meyer was so good at this, he tripled crossed the guy (who hated Meyer) who wanted to take out Albert, once Albert was taken out, Meyer set that guy up on a narc charge....Vito Genovese.

hmmm....interesting

I have ebooks links on the mafia if you want them. The book called "The Outfit" is exhaustive ..it goes into detail on The Hump.

Yo let me get that if you dont mind

Here's the first sets I've uploaded --http://www31.zippyshare.com/v/8867576/file.html

Those books are heavily on Chicago, NY and even Whitey B. (Boston Irish Mob )

The next set has the book on the BMF based in Philly.

*Edited* -- here's the last set:http://www31.zippyshare.com/v/35433027/file.html

good looks on the bmf shit

 

[DillaDeaf]

Don't want to let this thread died out...........any other questions on the mafia?