Dave Meltzer On Daniel Bryan, Roman Reigns, And "The Face Of The Company" *Must Read*

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Wrestling is a totally different business today. Vince McMahon still tells the Bobo Brazil story. And he doesn’t buy fake excuses. When a show does bad, that means the creative missed. He doesn’t want to hear about county fairs, movie opens, welfare checks and the day of the month, warm weather or cold weather. History has shown that NFL football, NBA playoffs and maybe the World Series or a hot Yankees-Red Sox game can hurt ratings.

But one of Boesch’s stories was about listening to the fans. In those days, a large percentage of the audience that attended the show, would buy the souvenir program. So in the 1960s, what better way is there to do direct marketing to your customer base but to put in the program a question, asking fans what match do you want to see. His job was selling tickets to those same customers. Instead of guessing what they want, just ask them directly. So he did it, and booked the match.

He never told me the names, but did say the fans wanted a match between the two most popular wrestlers in Texas at the time. It was a match they’d never see because the promoters always did babyface vs. heel. So maybe they were wrong. He booked the match. The gate sucked. And the lesson was learned. If you deliver exactly what the fans ask for, you probably won’t do very well. It’s better to create a scenario, and convince them to buy what you think most of them will pay to see.

Over the years, Vince McMahon has handpicked a number of champions with the idea they’d be the face of the company. Hulk Hogan was a big success. Ultimate Warrior seemed like he had all the momentum in the world, but as soon as he got the title, it didn’t work. With hindsight we can point to the excuses, Hogan’s manipulation after the match, no viable contenders set up, or simply bad timing with the idea that any face who followed Hogan would probably fail by comparison. He went back to Hogan, although it was clear McMahon had already made the choice that with Hogan approaching 40, he had to make a new Hogan

I don’t think McMahon at that point saw Bret Hart as more than a bridge, a temporary thing until the next big thing came along. The next pick was Lex Luger. That was blown based on timing. They creating a scenario where he had to win at a certain time, they waited too long, and the momentum was lost. And given his history elsewhere, he probably wouldn’t have been a success if they pulled the trigger at the right time. He was too much like Hogan, and Hogan was still in people’s minds.

The next pick was Kevin Nash. He was the biggest of all, talked well and was good looking. But business was terrible during that period and Nash was clearly not the answer as the focal point. Nash wasn’t at the level of Hart or Shawn Michaels, the other two top stars, inside the ring. That was a clear factor at the time, even though there were plenty of people better than most of McMahon’s other champions when they held the title. Warrior was outright terrible unless he had a great heel to carry him. Hogan had a patterned relatively short match that worked, more because Hogan had incredible charisma, which Nash didn’t have even though he was bigger than Hogan and had better hair.

Then Shawn Michaels, also not a success. Then Bret Hart, but McMahon got buyers remorse on his contract. Then came Steve Austin, who carried the company during its most successful period in history. Dwayne Johnson came up during the Austin era and carried things when Austin was injured. The Golden Period ended due to two factors. They made the huge mistake of turning Austin heel, and Johnson showed so much charisma in wrestling that Hollywood called, and he had far more acting range than Hogan and he was wrestling less-and-less.

That led to the modern era. The company fell greatly with HHH as its top star, but he became a family member. But the company remained profitable because this was the first period in history when they were truly the monopoly promotion. The first hand-picked successor was to be Brock Lesnar. Lesnar was the best athlete and toughest guy ever put into that position. But he wasn’t strong on promos. He was put together with Paul Heyman in a pairing that worked, but the two were broken up and Lesnar was turned face far too early, then turned back. The company also suffered from Johnson appearing less and less frequently and Austin retiring. Eventually the decision was made that Lesnar wasn’t the guy, and he quit the promotion shortly thereafter. Randy Orton came next. He had a long string as a main eventer, a very good wrestler with the right look. Orton had a five year run where he statistically did well above usual business when he was on top, but he did not have the charisma to be a real mover as the top guy. He still was always kept strong because he had the right look and skill set. Actually Dave Bautista surpassed Orton in the fans’ eyes, and as a business mover. Bautista was a huge success with his face turn in 2005. He was a big guy with a great physique and good look, and reasonably good in the ring, far from the best, but certainly when in with the best could be in a quality main event. While his feud with HHH was probably the most successful of the current era, he was quickly surpassed in popularity and momentum by John Cena.

Here’s the thing. In every single case, even with Luger and Nash, they had momentum and the fan base treated them like they were a major star on the rise before the big moment came, or in the case with Luger, never came. There was never the totally lukewarm reaction to a full-year title build that lost momentum months before. Many failed when put in the spotlight, but none came in with no momentum.

In almost every case historically, even the most stubborn promoter in this scenario would chalk it up to not always being right.

Why is this different? One year ago, McMahon made a move that nobody expected. He had Lesnar beat The Undertaker. Nothing in the company, not the title, somebody’s trademark hair or someone’s position had the value of the decades long streak. It was the institution. It would lead to the most shocking moment in modern wrestling history and it could only be done once. There may never be another moment at that level.
 
The idea from the start was that moment would be used to create the new top star of the company. Lesnar would beat Undertaker, demolish Bryan, and be the unstoppable heel force, and Reigns would succeed where even Cena couldn’t. It made all the sense in the world a year ago. Reigns was young, looked great, and The Shield were the hottest new act in years. Reigns had been presented as the killer and the tough one in the group. The idea was to use The Shield to get him over, and it worked better than expected. He was an instant headliner being put out on his own. But whether it was timing, the injury, Bryan, or people wanting more substance from the top guy, it didn’t work.

Why McMahon was so married to the idea may have been that by beating Undertaker, and having a guy who brought the fan base into a different dimension of stronger reality like Lesnar, it created a unique time to make the new face, figuring it was time make Cena the babyface legend and not the guy in the championship picture, essentially what Bruno was to Bob Backlund and what he wanted Hogan to be to Warrior and later Bret Hart but it never worked out.

Abandoning Reigns would have historically made the Undertaker loss almost for naught and there was no way to recreate that storyline. Even though Bryan was the hottest act at the time, at no point did he ever consider Bryan as the guy. He was too physically small and not good looking enough. And that was the problem. He got hung up on the factors and not the end result.

Even though Bryan’s chant made it appear he was more over than he was, and he wasn’t a business mover on the level of Cena, he was significantly ahead of Reigns with far less help in presentation. But even with that, the argument is Reigns was younger, and with his look, had more long-term potential. Based on traditional qualities, he did. But the appreciation of wrestling ability as a quality may be higher than ever now, and perhaps the most important modern qualities are wrestling, talking and connecting, and Bryan was far superior in all of them.

What could have been different? We’ll never know. He was the guy picked by the fans, but the company never saw it. Everyone knows the debate to death.
 
Uhhh alright. We know that the point of Brock beating undertaker and winning the title was to drop the title to the next guy. No surprise.

I just hope Roman doesn't cave under the pressure and it will be a lot of pressure after all the building Brock has had.

Truth is though, this is probably done more for Seth Rollins who will cash in more than likely.
 
I was watching the Monday Night Wars of The Rock and i realize back then that even if the stars aligned for a potential new face of the company to be the top guy, they still focused on curve balls and long term success with building the charcter connection emotionally with the crowd. The fact that they made the Rock the heel and cooperate champ when he was on the rise was genuis, becuase they generated shock value, kept things unpredictable, and made fans more invested (either good or bad) with the Rock. So when he went face again, he was undeniable over. Thats the issue with the current era, things are to easy to predict.

My suggestion, knowing damn well Reigns is NOT ready and the crowd is not invested in him, do something unpredictable at WM. Heyman already foreshadowed really liking Reigns and saying he cant beat Brock, so why not have Heyman turn on Brock and align Reigns at WM and help Reigns win the belt? That way it will suprise folks, increase the "WTF will happen next???" effect, give Roman the greatest manager ever, and MOST IMPORTANLY make fans INVESTED in Roman. As Vince once said, SHAKE THINGS UP.
 
silverfoxx;7836488 said:
My suggestion, knowing damn well Reigns is NOT ready and the crowd is not invested in him, do something unpredictable at WM. Heyman already foreshadowed really liking Reigns and saying he cant beat Brock, so why not have Heyman turn on Brock and align Reigns at WM and help Reigns win the belt? That way it will suprise folks, increase the "WTF will happen next???" effect, give Roman the greatest manager ever, and MOST IMPORTANLY make fans INVESTED in Roman. As Vince once said, SHAKE THINGS UP.

I apologize for the long read don't "Bcotton" me lol

If they don't do this, they might find them in a difficult spot come the Monday night after mania. I just don't see why Roman needs to be that guy right now. Honestly, I appreciate DB's character. He's almost relatable to anyone who feels like they're not given a fair shot even after busting their ass time and time again, but my interest to see him headline mania isn't there right now because that's too safe right now.

Seth is much more prepped to be champion than reigns but I'm not in a rush for that either. Reigns isn't the type of chatacter to be smiling and kissing babies. He needs that mean streak and that fuck the world attitude.. And some promo training and maybe then I'll be okay with it.

 
IMO I dont think that there will be just one "GUY"

as I stated in another thread

The Shield guys are going to be the nucleus of this company going forward

they are just taking different paths towards their elevation

IMO Seth is already made and it took him the shortest time cause he was most ready for the spotlight immediately

(I think Jono already alluded to this)

Roman is getting his push to the ME now (at the expense or with the help of DB...really depends on your perspective)

and I think Deans is about to start(winning the IC strap)...he will be top of the card by Summer Slam

dean has always been the odd man out...even in the FCW/NXT days more focus was put on Seth and Roman.

I think that has been the plan from the jump. IMO Roman should have been the one to get his push last....obviously because he was/is the rawest of the three...and needs more development

but again the endgame is to have the Shield 3 be the centerpieces of WWE

 
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Nothing mind blowing but a good read, nevertheless. I respect the fact he's been covering this shit fir so long and has good insight, but he really doesn't say much more than we already know unless you're a novice fan.

DB vs Reigns could be a future WM headliner now tho.
 
Btw Im so sick of the homo erotic excuses that Dave alluded too. Not good looking enough, better hair, bigger. ..are we raising wrestling fans or casual faggots that like to watch half naked men play fight in a ring with a touch of theater?
 

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