Darrelle Revis or Nnamdi Asomugha

[txboi_09]

Point is when the Jets send a all out blitz and leave Revis alone it doesn't matter, because Nnamadi is left by himself on a island with QB's who have more time to throw the ball. Nnamadi is still having the tougher job of having to guard WR's for a much longer time. Revis is not one on one as much as Nnamdi and that's fact. Nobody plays man coverage as much as the Raiders and when the Safetys do help it's never to Asomugha's side.

Let me ask u this does nmandi go up against the other teams best WR for the whole game cause that's revis job. Cause if he does then miles Austin lit him up last year when hey played the cowboys. If he doesn't than why isn't he covering the teams best player?

 

[maximus preme]

Point is when the Jets send a all out blitz and leave Revis alone it doesn't matter, because Nnamadi is left by himself on a island with QB's who have more time to throw the ball. Nnamadi is still having the tougher job of having to guard WR's for a much longer time. Revis is not one on one as much as Nnamdi and that's fact. Nobody plays man coverage as much as the Raiders and when the Safetys do help it's never to Asomugha's side.

Revis plays man coverage on almost every down. He plays just as much man as Asomugha. Now the Jets don't play man as much as the raiders as a team but even when they are playing zone revis is still in man. So whether or not nobody plays as much man as the raiders in irrelevant because Revis is always in man no matter what the other 10 guys on defense are doing. Why do you think they call it Revis Island. Its cause he really is on an island all game. Him and Asomugha are both set it and forget it type corners. You just put them on who ever you want to take out of the equation and you can forget about that guy for the rest of the game.

 

[maximus preme]

Let me ask u this does nmandi go up against the other teams best WR for the whole game cause that's revis job. Cause if he does then miles Austin lit him up last year when hey played the cowboys. If he doesn't than why isn't he covering the teams best player?

The Raiders play it a little differently but every corner gets beat at some point in time. And every corner gets burned at some point in time. Nmandi hasn't had a game that bad in like 3 years. And even then I don't think the 1 touchdown Austin had that he was even covering him if I remember correctly.

 

[Hustlers Ambition$]

Revis plays man coverage on almost every down. He plays just as much man as Asomugha. Now the Jets don't play man as much as the raiders as a team but even when they are playing zone revis is still in man. So whether or not nobody plays as much man as the raiders in irrelevant because Revis is always in man no matter what the other 10 guys on defense are doing. Why do you think they call it Revis Island. Its cause he really is on an island all game. Him and Asomugha are both set it and forget it type corners. You just put them on who ever you want to take out of the equation and you can forget about that guy for the rest of the game.

NO disrespect to you sir but no team in any capacity in the NFL plays as much man coverage as the Raiders Cb's do. That isn't an argument.

Revis does not play as much man coverage as Nnamdi. That is FACTUAL. Revis is not in man coverage very down. The guy is great but that isn't an acceptable reason to form an argument in favor of Revis.

 

[Hustlers Ambition$]

And people are bringing up the whole Miles Austin catch against Nnamdi. Every corner gets beat sooner or later, especially when the Raiders defense can't generate a pass rush at times. (Their pass rush is very hot/cold. I should know being a huge Raiders fan.)

Lets not forget how Ted Ginn jr, a sub-1000 yard WR, lit Revis up as well. People don't like to mention that! Watch THIS link

 

[allied]

NO disrespect to you sir but no team in any capacity in the NFL plays as much man coverage as the Raiders Cb's do. That isn't an argument.

Revis does not play as much man coverage as Nnamdi. That is FACTUAL. Revis is not in man coverage very down. The guy is great but that isn't an acceptable reason to form an argument in favor of Revis.

I'm going to let you know you're wrong. Revis almost always plays man on man with the #1 receiver. Like maximus said sometimes the Jets will be in zone but on the other side Revis is always on 1 on 1. I've listened to Ryan many times and he always points that out.

 

[damon03]

Revis is good. The man is a beast. But Aso is a much complete corner I feel. Plays great in run support and can cover. Also can play zone. Now, playing zone isn't that easy. We don't know if Revis can even do it cause they Jets never run it.

 

[Hustlers Ambition$]

I'm going to let you know you're wrong. Revis almost always plays man on man with the #1 receiver. Like maximus said sometimes the Jets will be in zone but on the other side Revis is always on 1 on 1. I've listened to Ryan many times and he always points that out.

Revis does not play more man coverage than Nnamdi Asomugha. Does he play alot of it?? absolutely. But I've seen a number of times with my own two eyes Revis in zone coverage. Nnamdi VERY rarely plays zone if at all.

 

[Hustlers Ambition$]

If Darelle Revis almost always plays man coverage on a #1 WR every down. Then how do you explain how Vincent Jackson had 7 receptions for 111 yards in the Jets vs Chargers game in the palyoffs?

And how did Antonio gates have almost 100 yards as well?

 

[damon03]

If Darelle Revis almost always plays man coverage on a #1 WR every down. Then how do you explain how Vincent Jackson had 7 receptions for 111 yards in the Jets vs Chargers game in the palyoffs?

And how did Antonio gates have almost 100 yards as well?

Well Gates is a TE and will usually be covered by a LB or nickle. Vincent did have a really nice game. Can't remember if Revis played him the entire game or not

 

[Hustlers Ambition$]

Well Gates is a TE and will usually be covered by a LB or nickle. Vincent did have a really nice game. Can't remember if Revis played him the entire game or not

yeah usually but sometimes teams will try to roll over their best cover corner from time to time. We used to put Nnamdi on Tony Gonzalez for stints.

 

[ya boi g]

yeah usually but sometimes teams will try to roll over their best cover corner from time to time. We used to put Nnamdi on Tony Gonzalez for stints.

Yea some teams put corners on TE's, its not uncommon. I remember when the Falcons played Denver a few years back when Alge was still a pro bowl TE. They put Champ Bailey on Alge Crumpler the entire game. It was the only game I ever remember Peerless Price sorry ass gettin off. Nigga had a career day that day.

 

[damon03]

yeah usually but sometimes teams will try to roll over their best cover corner from time to time. We used to put Nnamdi on Tony Gonzalez for stints.

I understand that. But with V Jack on the team, doubt anyone would put their best corner on Gates.

 

[dnyce215]

Also Revis is a great corner but lets get one thing clear. No one was talking about him till after Rex Ryan got there and properly utilized his talents. The Jets defense isn't great because of Revis its great because of Rex Ryan. Revis allows Ryan to do things most defenses can't do because of his superior cover skills.

That is true

 

[dnyce215]

Thats your argument?

Yes it is defense wins championships and nnamdi does all by himself so he doesn't have help to win games. It about who better is the argument, but bottom line it's who wins games! It is or is it not!

 

[Tha Killa]

While I wont dismiss anyone who says Asomugha is better, you could make the arguement for either, to say Revis wouldn't be considered one of the best in the league if he was on Oakland is retarded. Revis is in man coverage just as much as Asomugha. The jets scheme is a lot different and they blitz a lot more so he doesn't have to cover for as long but he is almost always in man coverage.

Also its hard to see how good a corner back is without looking at the coaches film. Those broadcast films and high lights don't really capture everything that is going on.

Since Darc already handled the other dude's post, I'll handle this one.

Revis hasn't been shutting people down as long as Aso has. He also gets Safety help every now and then, and that allows him to be much more aggressive in coverage. Aso has to not only shut down his man, he's asked to do it all on his own, NEVER with Safety help. Especially with no blitz's or pass rush to limit how long he's forced to cover his man, AND he's also responsible for his entire side of the field, not just his man. I don't think Revis would be able to do all of these things on his own year in and year out. Especially on a losing team.

The Raiders defense isn't designed as well as the Jets' under Rex, and we don't mix it up on D enough to confuse offenses the way the Jets do. We never play in Zone, we only blitzed in 3 games at most, and our defense is usually so predictable that opposing offenses know what we're gonna do before we do. For Aso to succeed under these conditions is unbelievable, and that's something I honestly don't see Revis being able to do, yet, if at all. He's always had pretty good players around him on D. The difference between our 1st and 2nd best defensive players is STEEP. That difference for the Jets wasn't as big for the Jets until this past year, under the best defensive coach in the league.

 

[TheGambinoLegacy]

as a raider fan, im still gonna go with revis. nnamdis cool, hes probably the 2nd best cb in the league, but no one throws at him and he only plays 1 side of the field. he doesnt shadow the best player. not to mention, football is 2nd in nnamdis life. this dude is gonna be into some big time shit when hes done. hes using football as a stepping stone to other things.

 

[Tha Killa]

as a raider fan, im still gonna go with revis. nnamdis cool, hes probably the 2nd best cb in the league, but no one throws at him and he only plays 1 side of the field. he doesnt shadow the best player. not to mention, football is 2nd in nnamdis life. this dude is gonna be into some big time shit when hes done. hes using football as a stepping stone to other things.

I disagree with him being 2nd, but how does him having potential in things outside of football make him any less of a player?

Ayo Gam, what the fuck happened to Al Deez? I guess he left around the time I did during the 1st upgrade, but I don't know if anybody has heard from him since....

 

[gman82]

Ndi only plays one side of the field correct?

 

[ya boi g]

Yes it is defense wins championships and nnamdi does all by himself so he doesn't have help to win games. It about who better is the argument, but bottom line it's who wins games! It is or is it not!

I get what youre saying but as far as whos better im just looking at the player as oppose to the defense as a whole and who wins more games. If Deion Sanders had never won many games or won a ring and played for the Lions or some shit like that he would still be Deion. Deion balled out for my Birds before he went to San Fran. Nigga was fire on a bad team...... Thats all im saying